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coberst 03-4-2007 03:59 PM

Guilty!
 
Guilty!

Guilt is difficult to analyze because it is ‘dumb’. It is a feeling of being blocked and frustrated without knowing why we feel that way. This develops when embraced by powerlessness while clutched by the unknown. Guilt is a bind of life.

A feeling of guilt emanates from our peculiar ability to apprehend life’s totality but unable to move in relation to it. “This real guilt partly explains willing subordinacy to his culture: after all, the world of men is even more dazzling and miraculous in its richness than the awesomeness of nature. Also, subordinacy comes naturally from man’s basic experience of being nourished and cared for; it is a logical response to social altruism.”

There are many ways in which we feel this “bind of life”:
* When ill or injured we are cared for by a cultural system
* Not achieving all one can be
* Recognition that we are the source of a serious accident
* Inability to meet responsibility to family
* Displaying certain accomplishments
* Evolution’s bounty to me
* Fate’s bounty to me
* Sticking out in a crowd for some biological reason
* “There, but for the grace of God, go I”

Social organization helps the individual expiate guilt by sharing guilt and a symbolic confession of it. “This is why the main general characteristic of guilt is that it must be shared: man cannot stand alone.” Primitives seem to be more honest about these things, probably because they were more realistic about our desperate situation vis-ŕ-vis nature. You cannot fool Mother Nature. Modern man seems more arrogant as regards nature.

Hubris is another word signifying a forgetting from whence real power comes. We seem like sophomores, not yet comprehending the source of real power; imagining it is in our self.

Quotes and ideas from “Escape from Evil”—Ernest Becker

Kefit 03-4-2007 04:14 PM

Re: Guilty!
 
I'm convinced that the feeling of guilt is simply an aberration of the fear of bad consequences resulting from actions we have taken or plan to take. Nothing more, nothing less.

That being said, your attempt to sound learned and intelligent through use of pedantic and technical, but ultimately flawed and clumsy English is fairly amusing.

coberst 03-4-2007 05:44 PM

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kefit

Glad you enjoy it.

Metheawsome 03-4-2007 07:02 PM

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Bah. Guilt is just Regret without Committment.

lord_carbo 03-4-2007 07:52 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Kefit (Post 1293145)
That being said, your attempt to sound learned and intelligent through use of pedantic and technical, but ultimately flawed and clumsy English is fairly amusing.

I disagree. It isn't when you walk into a forum full of these threads.

Kilroy_x 03-7-2007 12:48 PM

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Here is something you could have written instead of that long thing you did:


Does guilt hold society together? If so how? Becker thinks guilt holds society together by binding human beings in a symbolic system that encourages group mentality.

If this is true, then how do we reconcile the philosophy of individualism with this social truth about fundamental human nature?

Coberst

coberst 03-7-2007 03:25 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Kilroy_x (Post 1307811)
Here is something you could have written instead of that long thing you did:


Does guilt hold society together? If so how? Becker thinks guilt holds society together by binding human beings in a symbolic system that encourages group mentality.

If this is true, then how do we reconcile the philosophy of individualism with this social truth about fundamental human nature?

Coberst

I am afraid I do not comprehend the question. But by the sound of it I suspect I would not have an answer if I did.

Kilroy_x 03-7-2007 05:31 PM

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What do you mean? I just paraphrased the original post you made and changed it into an interactive format.

TheRapingDragon 03-7-2007 06:06 PM

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He's a bot.

sherbtail 03-7-2007 06:18 PM

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He genuinely sounds like one, as by looking at his profile it appears he has never played FFR... and has only ever made posts about ernest becker

wickedawesomeful 03-7-2007 06:42 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by sherbtail (Post 1308832)
He genuinely sounds like one, as by looking at his profile it appears he has never played FFR... and has only ever made posts about ernest becker

He obviously came here for FFR's great CT boards.

RandomPscho 03-7-2007 07:07 PM

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He obviously came here for FFR's great CT boards.
He posts these on like 20 sites, so it has to look good.

Kilroy_x 03-8-2007 11:59 AM

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Or maybe it's some bizzare combination of english not being his first language, plus the problems that being an engineer put on your thought process, plus a lack of education in literature and critical thinking until a critical period in his life had already passed.

But even that might be a stretch.

I would be greatly surprised if he was a bot, as I've actually had decent back and forths with him in at least one topic.

Reach 03-8-2007 12:52 PM

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He's not a bot.

I think he said that because you misinterpreted his post entirely.

I don't think his reference to 'The bind of life' is referring to bind in the way you're talking about it. He's using it in context with preventing or limiting.

Kilroy_x 03-8-2007 01:44 PM

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A limitation which
Quote:

partly explains willing subordinacy to his culture: after all, the world of men is even more dazzling and miraculous in its richness than the awesomeness of nature. Also, subordinacy comes naturally from man’s basic experience of being nourished and cared for; it is a logical response to social altruism.
Although becker also apparently believes that the establishment of a symbolic distinction between man and nature is the root of a great deal of problems.

In short I don't see the disconnect between what he wrote and my interpretation. Maybe you'd like to be more specific in pointing out the problem?

Chrissi 03-8-2007 01:50 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Kefit (Post 1293145)
That being said, your attempt to sound learned and intelligent through use of pedantic and technical, but ultimately flawed and clumsy English is fairly amusing.

Exactly why I cannot take this guy seriously.

Every one of his posts screams "pretentious fuck" at me. If I were up to me, he'd be banned already.

Kilroy_x 03-8-2007 02:24 PM

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I admire your integrity and your willingness to discard personality politics in the name of intellectual inquiry.

flashman41 03-8-2007 02:31 PM

Re: Guilty!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Kefit (Post 1293145)
I'm convinced that the feeling of guilt is simply an aberration of the fear of bad consequences resulting from actions we have taken or plan to take. Nothing more, nothing less.

That being said, your attempt to sound learned and intelligent through use of pedantic and technical, but ultimately flawed and clumsy English is fairly amusing.

Ironic.


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