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gerbi7 12-13-2006 04:25 PM

125 million year old Flying Squirrel
 
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/13/sc...rssnyt&emc=rss

Also note- they say that it's more probable to be 164 million years old, making it older than flying birds.

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Dr. Meng’s team said tests produced inconsistent dates for the new specimen, ranging from as recent as 125 million years ago to as ancient as 164 million. The older date may be more probable, other scientists said, and would put the aerial life of the mammal even earlier than known bird flight.
Wouldn't that be nice, birds evolved from flying mammals? =\

Nikkis 12-13-2006 05:21 PM

Re: 125 million year old Flying Squirrel
 
Or like in Jurassic Park where Dr. Allen Grant said that dinosaurs evolved into birds.

CPUGenuis 12-17-2006 12:25 AM

Re: 125 million year old Flying Squirrel
 
ugh, for the love of crap i hate carbon-14 dating

even though 90% of ppl are gonna flame me for this, the more approximate date of that squirrel is 3000-4000 years

ppl don't believe it, but before teh "great flood of noah" things lived for thousands of years, and due to certain aspects of teh world before it flooded, the decay of carbon 14 to carbon 12 was slower, 1000 fold (if not more)

my parent's sunday school (at my church, all ages have sunday school o.0) thier teacher had a big lesson on this

long story short, that squirrel ain't that old....

if u guys want me to find verses applying to this, pm me, and i will ask the guy

paperflowers11 12-26-2006 02:55 PM

Re: 125 million year old Flying Squirrel
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by CPUGenuis (Post 1039199)
ugh, for the love of crap i hate carbon-14 dating

even though 90% of ppl are gonna flame me for this, the more approximate date of that squirrel is 3000-4000 years

ppl don't believe it, but before teh "great flood of noah" things lived for thousands of years, and due to certain aspects of teh world before it flooded, the decay of carbon 14 to carbon 12 was slower, 1000 fold (if not more)

my parent's sunday school (at my church, all ages have sunday school o.0) thier teacher had a big lesson on this

long story short, that squirrel ain't that old....

if u guys want me to find verses applying to this, pm me, and i will ask the guy


Right, but the majority of the scientific world doesn't believe in "The Great Flood," so....so much for that. Great way for the church to have people put stock in creationism over evolution. But that's an arguement for another day.


Birds did not evolve from mammals. I have a flying squirrel. They are able to "fly" (glide) because of the extra skin. Birds evolved from reptiles. They are very different from mammals, and in fact only have a four-chambered heart due to convergent evolution. No mammals can actually fly, and birds have many special biological speciaties that allow them to fly, such as hollow bones, a specialized digestive system, etc.

By the way, the painting of the mammal they found looks JUST like modern flying squirrels. They're so cute. If that article is accurate, sounds like they haven't changed much. Just like crocodiles (or was it aligators?). The fact that it was found in China is sort of amazing, too, as they are currently native to Canada and the Northern US. Makes perfect sense geographically. (Land bridge and stuff.) Imagine how different birds would look if they actually did evolve from mammals! Hehe. All furry and cute and stuff.

Afrobean 12-26-2006 03:12 PM

Re: 125 million year old Flying Squirrel
 
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Originally Posted by paperflowers11 (Post 1049782)
No mammals can actually fly

Bat?

Anyway, I'm pretty sure they decided that some dinosaurs definitely flew and birds came from dinosaurs. So either way, mammals didn't really come first.

ps Don't try to bring religious issues into things like this. Science says that carbon dating is relatively accurate, so your religious views must be checked at the door and not stated as fact without any evidence.

paperflowers11 12-26-2006 03:28 PM

Re: 125 million year old Flying Squirrel
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Afrobean (Post 1049804)
Bat?


Opps. Heh.

stlunatic0124 12-26-2006 04:09 PM

Re: 125 million year old Flying Squirrel
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by CPUGenuis (Post 1039199)
ugh, for the love of crap i hate carbon-14 dating

even though 90% of ppl are gonna flame me for this, the more approximate date of that squirrel is 3000-4000 years

ppl don't believe it, but before teh "great flood of noah" things lived for thousands of years, and due to certain aspects of teh world before it flooded, the decay of carbon 14 to carbon 12 was slower, 1000 fold (if not more)

my parent's sunday school (at my church, all ages have sunday school o.0) thier teacher had a big lesson on this

long story short, that squirrel ain't that old....

if u guys want me to find verses applying to this, pm me, and i will ask the guy

get your christian anti-evolution propaganda out of here, moron.

gerbi7 12-26-2006 04:25 PM

Re: 125 million year old Flying Squirrel
 
Mr. Religious freak pretty much left after his five-post run.
And afro, the point is that in the article there they give a date for it that's before the existence of the first bird, meaning mammals came first. I don't get what you mean there.

WillTalbot 12-26-2006 06:05 PM

Re: 125 million year old Flying Squirrel
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by CPUGenuis (Post 1039199)
ugh, for the love of crap i hate carbon-14 dating

even though 90% of ppl are gonna flame me for this, the more approximate date of that squirrel is 3000-4000 years

ppl don't believe it, but before teh "great flood of noah" things lived for thousands of years, and due to certain aspects of teh world before it flooded, the decay of carbon 14 to carbon 12 was slower, 1000 fold (if not more)

my parent's sunday school (at my church, all ages have sunday school o.0) thier teacher had a big lesson on this

long story short, that squirrel ain't that old....

if u guys want me to find verses applying to this, pm me, and i will ask the guy

The 2nd and 3rd paragraphs made sense ... didnt know that before.

waffydude 12-27-2006 12:13 AM

Re: 125 million year old Flying Squirrel
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by CPUGenuis (Post 1039199)
ugh, for the love of crap i hate carbon-14 dating

even though 90% of ppl are gonna flame me for this, the more approximate date of that squirrel is 3000-4000 years

ppl don't believe it, but before teh "great flood of noah" things lived for thousands of years, and due to certain aspects of teh world before it flooded, the decay of carbon 14 to carbon 12 was slower, 1000 fold (if not more)

I'd really like to see some sources along with this claim, because I'm finding it pretty hard to believe that a flood cause the decay of all carbon to change (especially 1000 fold?!). Also, why wouldn't science as a whole take this into account? If you somehow know how it was before the "flood" and they don't, then how the heck DO you know? You DO know how bold of a statement that was, right?

You really need a LOT of defense when you make claims like that, because otherwise it just looks like a very, very convenient excuse for why things are often dated much older than some Christians believe.

Afrobean 12-27-2006 09:14 AM

Re: 125 million year old Flying Squirrel
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by gerbi7 (Post 1049901)
And afro, the point is that in the article there they give a date for it that's before the existence of the first bird, meaning mammals came first. I don't get what you mean there.

I meant that dinosaurs came before those mammals and that there were dinosaurs who flew. Sure, these mammals may have come before the flying birds, but flying dinosaurs were around even before that.

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Originally Posted by WillTalbot (Post 1050028)
The 2nd and 3rd paragraphs made sense ... didnt know that before.

That's because it's anti-science, pro-christianity propaganda. As far as science is concerned, carbon dating is a sufficient means of getting a close year. It's only religious zealots who believe the bible word for word trying to denounce what science says because it doesn't agree with their scripture.

Reach 12-27-2006 09:36 AM

Re: 125 million year old Flying Squirrel
 
Carbon dating is really accurate. It's certainly a hell of a lot more accurate than your grammar will ever be. In fact, Carbon dating methods should never be inaccurate.

Just the record, they didn't date this squirrel with carbon. The half-life isn't long enough; none of these old fossils are dated using carbon dating. They use radiometric dating with other elements, and when you compare the age of rocks around the fossil as well as the state of decay, you can get a very good age estimate.

There was also no worldwide flood, at least at the time at when it happened in the bible. Thankfully Egyptian historians started recording back around 3000 BC, so we have nice little pieces of history from people that would have not been around if there was a flood ;) It's a fact that you're just going to have to accept. Anyone that isn't a complete ****head accepts that the earth is over 4 billion years old and the universe some billions of years older than it.

A flood wouldn't change a decay constant, either. It's like claiming that the speed of light has been changing which would change WMAP results. No, no it didn't and it's never going to change. Do a little 'real' research yourself before you start spewing your sunday school putrid crud here for others to read. I attended Sunday school as well, which was a complete and udder joke. It doesn't take half a mind to realize it either.

WillTalbot 12-27-2006 10:53 AM

Re: 125 million year old Flying Squirrel
 
There is a shepwreck ontop of a giant hill or mountain and they believe it to be Noah's Ark. I've actually seen pictures of this gigantic ship and theres a good chance it really is Noah's

Afrobean 12-27-2006 11:00 AM

Re: 125 million year old Flying Squirrel
 
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Originally Posted by WillTalbot (Post 1051130)
There is a shepwreck ontop of a giant hill or mountain and they believe it to be Noah's Ark. I've actually seen pictures of this gigantic ship and theres a good chance it really is Noah's

Because ancient wood would be conveniently perfectly preserved, right?

WillTalbot 12-27-2006 11:04 AM

Re: 125 million year old Flying Squirrel
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Afrobean (Post 1051139)
Because ancient wood would be conveniently perfectly preserved, right?

definitly not perfectly preserved it was a ship wreck and it was really high up on a mountain and highly doubt anyone would go up there for anyreason other than to see the ship. I read this somewhere and I actually saw a pik of it, it IS very real.

paperflowers11 12-27-2006 11:45 AM

Re: 125 million year old Flying Squirrel
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by WillTalbot (Post 1051145)
definitly not perfectly preserved it was a ship wreck and it was really high up on a mountain and highly doubt anyone would go up there for anyreason other than to see the ship. I read this somewhere and I actually saw a pik of it, it IS very real.

Sweetheart, you can't believe everything you read or see photos of. You should know that by now.

waffydude 12-27-2006 03:13 PM

Re: 125 million year old Flying Squirrel
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by WillTalbot (Post 1051130)
There is a shepwreck ontop of a giant hill or mountain and they believe it to be Noah's Ark. I've actually seen pictures of this gigantic ship and theres a good chance it really is Noah's

I've seen this before, but it's not considered any more likely than any of the UFO abductions, possible locations of Atlantis, etc. There's really no reason for anyone to think that it's actually Noah's Ark besides the fact that it vaguely resembles a ship, and people really want it to be true.

Reach 12-27-2006 06:07 PM

Re: 125 million year old Flying Squirrel
 
Even if it was 'Noah's ark' that does not mean there was a world wide flood nor was there 2 of every animal on this ark. I already proved there was no world wide flood, so great, Noah has a boat and it ended up in a mountain.

Considering how fanatical some people are maybe it was placed there. It wouldn't surprise me at all.

Which would just further support the fact people like to believe in things that didn't happen, or they like to blow things out of perportion and tell people things that are half truths. What probably happened is there was a local flood and some guy had a wooden boat and was sailing it across some flooded area or whatever, and people saw it and this whole myth was created.


Anyway, this has nothing to do with a really old flying squirrel.

Cavernio 12-29-2006 08:58 PM

Re: 125 million year old Flying Squirrel
 
Umm, just because an old boat was found on top of a mountain, doesn't mean 1) the whole world was flooded or 2) give a date as to when the boat got there. In fact, from the person who doesn't believe in carbon dating, I'm not sure how they'd be able to TO date the boat, since the flood obviously would've caused enough damage.

FluorescentArmy 12-30-2006 03:42 PM

Re: 125 million year old Flying Squirrel
 
It could be possible. I was learning about something in BIO about evolution...I forget the name. Something along to lines of isolation and the ability to adapt over time.


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