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Democratic primary!
I don't know if anyone cares about politics here, but this is hilarious to watch. We've got John Kerry, Al Sharpton, Howard Dean, Dick Gephart, Joe Lieberman, John Edwards, Wesley Clark, Dennis Kucinich, and Carol Moseley-Braun all going for the same office. Meanwhile we've got folks like the Clintons and Al Gore working behind the scenes, trying to shift power in their favor! It's hilarious to watch.
My prediction: Dean's going to win, because the media is having a torrid affair with him. Al Gore has backed Howard Dean. This places Gore and Hillary Clinton in opposite sides of the court. Gore wants Dean to win, appoint Gore Secretary of State, and set him up for a 2012 win. Hillary wants Dean to lose, so that she can reclaim control of the party and set herself up for a 2008 win, promising new direction for the DNC. Course the Democrats are screwed anyway, especially with the latest economic numbers that show (gasp!) that Bush actually hasn't been screwing the economy, the latest war reports from Iraq that show (gasp!) we're winning, plus the fact that the Democrats don't have direction. It's hilarious to watch. Here's an imaginary interview between a person (i.e. me) and John Kerry. Me: Sen. Kerry, what is your position on the war in Iraq? Kerry: It's a horrible thing that we're over there. We never should have gone in the first place, and we need to send our troops home. Me: But you voted to give President Bush the power to send troops to Iraq. Kerry: Uh... Me: You say you don't support the war you voted to support. Then what is the Democratic perspective on Iraq? What can we expect a Democrat to do in 2004 in Iraq? Kerry: Uh... Me: And you say that unemployment has been up since Bush's presidency, despite the fact that Bush created over 2 million new jobs in his first 2 and a half years. Kerry: Uh... Me: Thank you for your time, Senator. Thoughts? |
Bush is going to own everyone
power to the elephant |
Bush=teh suck
How the hell are we supposed to trust a man who can't even eat his pretzel with his finger on the button? |
...because I'm sure that a presidential candidate wouldn't have answers to your questions and you have to reply "uh...."
Furthermore, you based your entire theoretical debate on a theoretical answer. Well, I wonder what if someone interviewed Bush. me: So, Dubbya, how 'bout those WMDs you promised? W: uh..... me: and how about all those soldiers who are dying to find your WMDs? W: uh..... me: and how about those big words all those "edumacated" people are using? W: uh..... me: glad to hear it!! |
shut up you hippie
and id like to know what eating a pretzel has to do with trust...the democratic party is in disarray, and Bush is better off now than he has ever been...its a realtive shoein |
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Yeah, and the 'trickle-down' theory is bullshit. |
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Correction i never bought yo-...oh, oh my
*EDIT* to stay on topic, look anti bash him all you want, but what exactly is wrong with what he did and is doing...you bitched before that it took him too long to find saddam...well you never answered me, i asked what did they do wrong, and what would you have done differently...how can you argue that iraq is worse off now than it was |
The VXDX/Dubya Interview, rewritten:
me: So, Dubya, how 'bout those WMDs you promised? W: We are working hard to find them. However, the Saddam regime knew of the possibility of an impending U.S. attack for months. Most of the WMDs have probably been dismantled in an attempt to embarrass the U.S. We know this to be true because we have found materials in Iraqi military facilities that could easily be assembled into fully functional nuclear weapons within hours. me: and how about all those soldiers who are dying to find your WMDs? W: Those soldiers are not dying to find WMDs. They are fighting to bring peace in Iraq, after we freed it from the clutches of an oppressive dictator who murdered tens of thousands of his own innocent people, evident from the mass graves of blindfolded skeletons we've been discovering. Let's also not forget that the latest opinion polls in Iraq show that a great majority of Iraqi people support the United States. me: and how about those big words all those "edumacated" people are using? W: The complexiveness of my words doesn't change a thing about the way I run a country. Seriously, Bush-bashers need to quit their ad finitum ad hominem attacks. So what if he choked on a pretzel. Most human beings choke on something many times during their life. We finally get a president who's not some sort of silver-tongued smooth-talker and he gets attacked for it. |
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if you think bush sucks you know nothing about politics
especially when you put down no reasons |
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I'm real lazy and I really don't care a lot about Bush, I was just making a point that you made a blatently one sided arguement. If you want, look up any anti-bush site, and you will find statements that they claim are "100%" true, that completely contradict what you said. I'm not saying that I know who is right, and in fact I support the war in Iraq, but I am saying that what you said originally is unfairly biased.
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more like 80 billion...let me see whats more important, the environmental agency or the USA...oh my gosh we have to go save the trees, but were going to need 80 billion dollars...oh and anti, stock market is almost at an all-time high
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VXDX: Unfairly biased? So anyone who has an opinion is "unfairly biased?" Yeah, you can't believe everything you hear from one source. That's why the educated person reads multiple sources of information.
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Im not interested in politics but Bush is the most retarded president it seems...
Bring back the scandalist! :P No but seriously...He's a tard at times.. EDIT--- Then again here in Canada you got retarded frogs running the cities and country fuck...Guess it could be worse... But presidency is for us to worry about and for you to control! |
look anyone who opposes bush obviously doesnt know what he/she is talking about...sure im biased but the facts are there, things are looking good for our country, and if the country is doing well then so is her leader...President Bush
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To say that your imaginary conversation isn't unfairly biased would be to say that mine wasn't either. |
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Your argument was one-sided, too. Like my argument, it was biased. Because that's what arguments are! But neither of us were "unfair" in our arguments. I'm not bashing you, VxDx, but just because an argument is biased or one-sided doesn't make it unfair. Arguments are supposed to present only one side of the case. |
See, the thing is, we didnt have any real reason to be in Iraq. Sure, they may have been a threat to US security, but North Korea isnt? The whole "weapons of mass destruction in Iraq" thing was pretty much lies. They fact that the US LIED TO THE U.N. IS VERY VERY SAD. That says a lot about the administration.
Meanwhile, we have another country that we know for sure has weapons of mass destruction that CAN REACH THE WEST COAST FROM, and is willing to use them. But what does Bush care? <sarcasm>I mean, after all, all the west coast is is just hippies, chinks, gooks, japs, and beaners. </sarcasm> Yes, it is good that Saddam is no longer in power. That is one less threat the US has to worry about. If the US managed to do it without lying, and pissing off the rest of the world, I would be fine with that. But a government that lies to its citizens is no government that I want to support. Anyone remember anything about the Spanish-American war? You know, the war American started with Spain to free Cuba...and protect our sugar cane that was in their country. And the event that lead to the start of the war...you know, how "Spain" sank the US ship the Maine, killing all that was on board..well, it really wasnt Spain that sank it, actually it was a problem with the ammunition storage. But most believed it was Spain that did it. Yeah, well, after we conquered Spain, we tried to set up democracy in Cuba, while at the same time taking their Sugar Cane to pay off our debts. Well, Cubans didnt like that, and cast out all American forces. Yeah, and then Spain became communist, and then you know some bad things happened like: the "Bay of Pigs", and the Cuban Missle Crisis. For some reason, that sounds a lot like the events that are going on now....I dont know, someone smart once said "History repeats itself".... And if you dont believe me, pick up a US history book. |
They have books devoted to the history of the US? Holy shit!
Mal |
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You know these things: A) You've been trying to cover up secret military facilities from the UN for years B) The US has spy reports of where your WMDs are C) The US is looking for your WMDs D) The US has the most powerful army in the world E) You're screwed when the US marches in, and they'll find your WMDs F) You have 2 months, give or take, to prepare G) Using the WMDs screws over your country H) You can't back down or surrender, otherwise you won't be able to possibly appear as a martyr later. What do you do? Just sit there? No, you go and start dismantling and hiding your WMDs. This is exactly what Saddam has done. We have found in Iraq parts that nuclear weapons could be built out of within hours. I have more evidence to support this theory if you wish. North Korea is a far lesser threat because they don't HATE us. Saddam actually HATED us, and he believed he had a divine mission to put a stop to us. Ever read Iraqi news reports? All the reports on the war before the fall of Baghdad say the same thing: "Allah will protect us and not allow the demonic enemy to enter our land" or something to that effect. When we're viewed as demons, they'll try to destroy us. |
Here's why I hate Bush.
1.He decieved us, by subtly making us think that Saddam had a part in 9-11 (there is no evidence henceforth to support that, in fact there is evidence to discredit that accusation). 2.He wasted billions of dollars unneccessarily. 3.He called the United Nations 'futile and useless' after they refused to help him with the war (no joke, his exact words). 4.He went ahead with the war anyway, initially without even Congress's approval. 5.He had a 'shoot first and ask questions later' war strategy, and now we have hundreds of thousands of troops in Iraq and no idea what to do with them. 6.His plan was to rebuild the government, but basically he just gave them a lobotomy. They may have been malicious before, but now they're useless. 7.He wants to rubuild their economy, by basically borrowing ever increasing amounts of our money, and raising the deficeit further. 8.He choked on a pretzel. Does this sound like a successful president? Even freakin President Hoover didn't make this many mistakes. |
9. Everyone who's cool does.
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Yeah, I so fucken choked on a pretzel once. You have no idea how bad it hurts, neither. You see, your intelligence does not directly correlate with how well you swallow pretzels. Otherwise, you wouldn't see any mentally defecient people with pretzels.
Or you would, depending on the population. Mal |
1.He decieved us, by subtly making us think that Saddam had a part in 9-11 (there is no evidence henceforth to support that, in fact there is evidence to discredit that accusation).
When did he ever imply this? Saddam's been an enemy of the U.S. all along and an Al-Qaeda supporter. 2.He wasted billions of dollars unneccessarily. A) On what? B) What president hasn't in the last 50 years? 3.He called the United Nations 'futile and useless' after they refused to help him with the war (no joke, his exact words). The UN ~is~ futile and useless. They're really an all-talk-and-no-action organization. 4.He went ahead with the war anyway, initially without even Congress's approval. He had Congress's approval from the start. 5.He had a 'shoot first and ask questions later' war strategy, and now we have hundreds of thousands of troops in Iraq and no idea what to do with them. We have 130,000 troops that have a very definite, defined mission. 6.His plan was to rebuild the government, but basically he just gave them a lobotomy. They may have been malicious before, but now they're useless. Read the link in my post 2 posts ago and you'll understand why Saddam needed to go. We're working on the new government. You can't set one up overnight! 7.He wants to rubuild their economy, by basically borrowing ever increasing amounts of our money, and raising the deficeit further. First you criticize him for NOT helping the Iraqi government, now you criticize him for helping it? What is it? 8.He choked on a pretzel. Your ad hominem attack is irrelevant to Bush's ability as a President. Did you know President Clinton got the flu once? GASP! Presidents are HUMAN! They suffer HUMAN PROBLEMS! ~shock~ |
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North Korea is looking to the two largest in Nuking range (the US and Japan) for help because their economy is suffering. They have made numerous threats to Japan (I know this for a fact because I met the Japanese ambassador last year when he gave a talk on the problem with North Korea). We know N.Korea has nukes, we dont know if Iraq does. We know N. Korea is begging for attention (much like how the Japanese did before they attacked Pearl Harbor, for the same reason too). But you cant deny that the rest of the world hates us. Millions of people from all over the world protested, George W. Bush called them "Focus Groups". Face it, those who support the war are the minority. |
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Before we INVADED Iraq, I didnt give a sh*t about them. Sure, I dont watch the news like totally much, but if something big happens...I'll know about it.
I just feel that WAR is the absolute last resort. See, what Bush did with his whole "shoot first and ask questions later approach" is, if Iraq did have WMDs and got rid of them, there is no proof now. |
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all of their nuclear weapons are no threat at all to the united states, or any other part of the world |
well there is no doubt he had the weapons...for christs sake there is tons of video footage of parades of missles and warheads...however, i wouldnt underestimate nroth korea, theyve been under the radar for a while now, and they hate the US more than Iraq did
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Well, I remember there being a lot of hoopla over how North Korea has the technology to launch nukes that can reach the west coast.
I dont know. I we will just have to wait and see. |
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heres my opiion about korea...lets say eventually we invade them...this is all hypothetical, but...so we invade them because they have nukes...well we are destroying them with our great army/navy/airforce...so we have them backed into a corner...they have no chance...but like the japs in wwII they dont stop fighting, and when they have lost all hope, they shoot a nuke straight up, and have it land on them, thier country, but the US troops as well...those asians have pride, who knows what theyll do
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True. Very true.
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It's called honor over there.
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I believe they were called Kamikazes during WWII, and they fancied themselves as Samurias, which, under classical definition, they were.
Mal |
no not kamakazis, thats what hey called those in planes who would crash themselves into battleships to sink them, but ultimately sacraficing themselves...and lego i think pride is pretty much the same as honor
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