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CMG 11-25-2006 01:40 AM

::Anger Management Class/The Ranting Thread::
 
Ok I know there are alot of you people out there with alot of opinions about the world and society as a whole. Most of them are probably bad and piss you off alot. So I think its helpful if everyone just took out their aggressions here. Think of it as a thread where you can vent and release that negative energy. As long as you dont make any DIRECT COMMENTS about anyone in FFR, and as long as you dont use any racial slurs and stuff like that, you can basically let go whatever weight is on your shoulders. Cursing is ok since these forums auto censor the words anyways. I'll start first... by pointing out the stupdity and arrogance of people...

Now today they had on the news that 80 percent of the Long Island population would not go out and shop on BLACK FRIDAY. These people are the SMART people, the people that make sense when they talk, the people that actually have a brain and know that Black Friday is a very bad day (as if the ****ing name itself didnt give it away). But 20 percent of Long Island said that they would go shopping on Black Friday. This is the same 20 percent of the people on Long Island that need to be gathered in one room and gassed to death. I know about getting the Christmas shopping done early, but c'mon... this is getting ****ing ridiculous now... Halloween is becoming Christmas part 1 and Thanksgiving is becoming Christmas part 2. In fact, Halloween is slowly dying year after year. I only had one kid with a parent come to the house this year for Halloween... how pathetic is that? I'm a christian (lutheran) and even I'm getting sick of the Christmas holiday coming earlier and earlier each year... the Christmas songs being played a month earlier need to stop... when I think November, the image of Santa Clause does not come to mind at all. I think the majority of the population has LOST THEIR MINDS and totally forgot what Christmas is REALLY all about... in fact, most of the population doesn't even believe in Jesus or God for that matter. Everyone is just making a mockery of the holiday, and its making the Jews and Kwanza people feel like they don't belong anymore... what we need to do is get all 3 holidays to join forces and have the moth of December be about every and all types of holidays and religions. And as for the shopping... DO IT IN DECEMBER!!! So what if the malls and stores are sometimes over crouded... ****ing duh... its the holiday season... you expect it to be empty? I dont think so.

Next topic... people that are all the time miserable and depressed (I.E. my two ex girlfriends Christine and Heather... this is sometimes called EMO). WTF is your mother ****ing problem?!?! Are you that ****ing retarded that you have to go through life everyday thinking "omg no one loves me, I'm a reject of society, I'm not wanted"? Wake the **** up! Just cause your life growing up sucked-ass doesn't mean you have to make everyone elses lives as miserable as yours... ESPECIALLY the people that try to help you out with your problems and get you back on your feet (I.E. ME). People like me are the only people that are actually gonna give a **** about your sorry ass... the best thing for you to do is accept us and be nice to us. Don't act like your the toughest and biggest thing in the world thinking you have every right to treat us like ****. It's only going to make things even worse... to the point that we are not going to care anymore. I know I don't give a **** what happenes to my ex gf's anymore cause I've been stomped on by them one too many times. They think they are better off without me... fine. Just dont go crying to me when your life is even more ****ty then it was 2 or 3 years ago. And if you think suicide is the only way out, then fine, go ahead, kill yourself, no one is gonna care, its just one waste of sperm thats gone from the planet. In fact, it would actually improve the Earth since the U.S.A. alone is so ****ing overcrouded as it is.

Next Topic... Girls in general. Some of you might be an exception to this next rant of mine but most of you are guilty of it. You need to stop with these ****ing mind games and "hard to get" act. You also need to stop dressing up and acting like those ****ing whores, skanks, and sluts in the media. Personalty goes a long way when it comes to finding the right person... looks alone wont do it, and first impressions are never a reliable source. What I'm trying to say is be yourself, and make up your ****ing mind. Men are not mind readers, if we were, we would know everything and anything about you as soon as we met you. Sure we make mistakes, sometimes retarded ones, but we are only human. You girls need to stop picking fights with us guys over the littlest ****. You also need to stop being ****ing jealous whenever we hang out with other girls. Just cause we chill with other girls DOES NOT MEAN WE DONT WANT TO BE WITH YOU!!! I believe i speak for every nice guy out there (since I am one myself) that we would LOVE to be with you whenever we had the chance. Besides, if we didnt love you or want to be with you, we would have dumped you a long while ago. So yea girls you need to change the way you think cause you being mental with us is making us guys loose our minds.

Next topic... PLAYERS!!! I HATE THEM ALL!!! And you know EXACTLY who you are and what I'm talking about. The guys that think there all that and can get with any girl at any given time. The same guys that play other girls into thinking that there the only guys for that girl, but those guys are the ones that break up with them, and break their hearts, but the girls STILL chase after them like a dog chasing after a cat. This is called BRAINWASHING!!! Guys like these need to be shot on sight. In fact, guys like Kevin Federline need to be stabbed multiple times in the face cause he's no better then the other players out there.

I'm done now... if i forgot something I'll probably edit it in with this post. But you get the general idea... now its your turn.

Grandiagod 11-25-2006 02:02 AM

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Originally Posted by CMG (Post 1008817)
Ok I know there are alot of you people out there with alot of opinions about the world and society as a whole. Most of them are probably bad and piss you off alot.

Our opinions piss ourselves off? You meant to word that differently.

PS. A lot*

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So I think its helpful if everyone just took out their aggressions here. Think of it as a thread where you can vent and release that negative energy.
I'm sure nerdy internet ranting counts as Critical Thinking.

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As long as you dont make any DIRECT COMMENTS about anyone in FFR, and as long as you dont use any racial slurs and stuff like that, you can basically let go whatever weight is on your shoulders. Cursing is ok since these forums auto censor the words anyways. I'll start first... by pointing out the stupdity and arrogance of people...
Gee thanks for making up your own rules and starting off with a ridiculously ambiguous topic.

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Now today they had on the news that 80 percent of the Long Island population would not go out and shop on BLACK FRIDAY. These people are the SMART people, the people that make sense when they talk, the people that actually have a brain and know that Black Friday is a very bad day (as if the ****ing name itself didnt give it away). But 20 percent of Long Island said that they would go shopping on Black Friday. This is the same 20 percent of the people on Long Island that need to be gathered in one room and gassed to death.
Yeah, let's kill the bargain hunters.

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I know about getting the Christmas shopping done early, but c'mon... this is getting ****ing ridiculous now... Halloween is becoming Christmas part 1 and Thanksgiving is becoming Christmas part 2. In fact, Halloween is slowly dying year after year. I only had one kid with a parent come to the house this year for Halloween... how pathetic is that?
YA IT MATTURS

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I'm a christian (lutheran) and even I'm getting sick of the Christmas holiday coming earlier and earlier each year... the Christmas songs being played a month earlier need to stop... when I think November, the image of Santa Clause does not come to mind at all. I think the majority of the population has LOST THEIR MINDS and totally forgot what Christmas is REALLY all about...
Having fun without your stupid religious strings.

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in fact, most of the population doesn't even believe in Jesus or God for that matter.
Unless you count 80% of the population.

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Everyone is just making a mockery of the holiday, and its making the Jews and Kwanza people feel like they don't belong anymore... what we need to do is get all 3 holidays to join forces and have the moth of December be about every and all types of holidays and religions.
Happy Holidays

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And as for the shopping... DO IT IN DECEMBER!!! So what if the malls and stores are sometimes over crouded... ****ing duh... its the holiday season... you expect it to be empty? I dont think so.
Or people could shop when it is more convienient for them and when prices are lowest and when more product is in stock.

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Next topic... people that are all the time miserable and depressed (I.E. my two ex girlfriends Christine and Heather... this is sometimes called EMO). WTF is your mother ****ing problem?!?! Are you that ****ing retarded that you have to go through life everyday thinking "omg no one loves me, I'm a reject of society, I'm not wanted"? Wake the **** up! Just cause your life growing up sucked-ass doesn't mean you have to make everyone elses lives as miserable as yours...
Wait for it...

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ESPECIALLY the people that try to help you out with your problems and get you back on your feet (I.E. ME).
Yeah, you sound sooo helpful.


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People like me are the only people that are actually gonna give a **** about your sorry ass...
Who is going to give a **** about your retarded ass?

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the best thing for you to do is accept us and be nice to us. Don't act like your the toughest and biggest thing in the world thinking you have every right to treat us like ****.
Gee, I thought they were sad and miserable, not tough and big.

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It's only going to make things even worse... to the point that we are not going to care anymore. I know I don't give a **** what happenes to my ex gf's anymore cause I've been stomped on by them one too many times. They think they are better off without me... fine.
Lol, you don't care about them and they don't care about you. I don't see the problem.

Also, if they went out with you, I would reccomend serious psychiatric evaluations.

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Just dont go crying to me when your life is even more ****ty then it was 2 or 3 years ago. And if you think suicide is the only way out, then fine, go ahead, kill yourself, no one is gonna care, its just one waste of sperm thats gone from the planet. In fact, it would actually improve the Earth since the U.S.A. alone is so ****ing overcrouded as it is.
Once again, your willingness to help them is overwhelming me with the warm fuzzies.

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Next Topic... Girls in general. Some of you might be an exception to this next rant of mine but most of you are guilty of it. You need to stop with these ****ing mind games and "hard to get" act. You also need to stop dressing up and acting like those ****ing whores, skanks, and sluts in the media. Personalty goes a long way when it comes to finding the right person... looks alone wont do it, and first impressions are never a reliable source. What I'm trying to say is be yourself, and make up your ****ing mind. Men are not mind readers, if we were, we would know everything and anything about you as soon as we met you. Sure we make mistakes, sometimes retarded ones, but we are only human. You girls need to stop picking fights with us guys over the littlest ****. You also need to stop being ****ing jealous whenever we hang out with other girls. Just cause we chill with other girls DOES NOT MEAN WE DONT WANT TO BE WITH YOU!!! I believe i speak for every nice guy out there (since I am one myself) that we would LOVE to be with you whenever we had the chance. Besides, if we didnt love you or want to be with you, we would have dumped you a long while ago. So yea girls you need to change the way you think cause you being mental with us is making us guys loose our minds.
Translation: I suck at understanding women and blame it on them.

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Next topic... PLAYERS!!! I HATE THEM ALL!!! And you know EXACTLY who you are and what I'm talking about. The guys that think there all that and can get with any girl at any given time. The same guys that play other girls into thinking that there the only guys for that girl, but those guys are the ones that break up with them, and break their hearts, but the girls STILL chase after them like a dog chasing after a cat. This is called BRAINWASHING!!! Guys like these need to be shot on sight. In fact, guys like Kevin Federline need to be stabbed multiple times in the face cause he's no better then the other players out there.
Translation: These guys get more women than me because they have a semblance of knowlege about the opposite sex. Kill all of them so I have a chance.

CMG 11-25-2006 11:54 AM

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Congradulations... you have managed to take your pathetic time to disect everything I just said and try to turn it against me... this proves my point on how ****ing retarded people are. I've posted this in other places and you are the only one that had something negative to say about this, and the fact that you have absolutely nothing to agree with me about makes me wonder why your still wondering the earth. If you think your dumb smart-ass comments are going to offend me or piss me off then you are sadly mistaken. If anything you have accomplished making an ass of yourself by trying to sound smart when you really arent.

Anywho, does anyone else want to vent or get something off their chest? Or does anyone agree with anything I said... i know I didnt make this thread for nothing.

Dragula219 11-25-2006 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Grandiagod (Post 1008837)
Unless you count 80% of the population.

I laughed.

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On a more serious note, WTF is wrong with you? Just because people get better deals on christmas **** than you, you think they should be gassed to death? It's great how you say "This is a very bad day", but you never go on to say WHY it's a bad day? It's probably some retarded babble about god and jesus and whatever superstitions a book told you to believe, but I'm pretty sure no one semi-intellegent gives a flying **** (This would be the "20%" you mentioned earlier) even if they believe in god. This entire paragraph screams "I'm a Moron"

BTW, Christmas is a fake christian holiday. It's been proven that jesus wasn't born anywhere close to december, and it actually was formed out of a roman winter holiday (a pagan one) where lots of rich men got extremely wasted and had hot gay sex with each other. Proving, once again, that you are a giant blubbering vagina on your period.

As for the "Emo" paragraph... Ever heard of the pot calling the kettle black? In conclusion: STFU, nobody cares.

I also think you struggle with the opposite gender. You probably haven't had a lot of social experiences with women, and you are in denial because you can't blame your failure on yourself. You can bitch all you want, but it's not going to do anything to help your social status.

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Originally Posted by CMG
I've posted this in other places and you are the only one that had something negative to say about this, and the fact that you have absolutely nothing to agree with me about makes me wonder why your still wondering the earth.

The difference is, people here aren't morons. You fail to realize that nobody here is going to give a **** about random peoples (petty) problems . For you, I suggest: http://www.4chan.org/

To top it all off, you're the EXACT kind of person that makes be believe there is no hope for mankind. Do us all a favor and.....

EAT **** AND DIE.

CMG 11-25-2006 12:52 PM

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First off, 4Chan is nothing more than a very random site, and had absolutely nothing to do with my rant which isnt random at all. If anything I'm proving a point, which is that the majority of people are assholes, and I guess I hit the jackpot cause they must be all located here.

Second, I ****ing dare you to join www.simulationstyle.com and tell them that they are ****ing morons if you feel that way... guarentee you you'll get you're ass handed to you cause people agree with me and everything I have to say.

And how dare you say that Christmas is a FAKE holiday you non-religious bastard!!!

DDR_Daikenkai 11-25-2006 01:16 PM

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Grandiagod: You obviously have no life other than to be an asshole to other people. Why in the hell would you sit there and pick at every single little sentence that he wrote? What purpose does that solve? Nothing. It just solves that you're a ****ing moron. STFU

Dragula: Your entire POST screams "I am a Moron"
Obviously, this is a ranting thread. If you're not ranting, nobody could give a **** about your smart-ass comments about other people's rants. If you don't like it, you should probrobly state your reasons why in an intelligent way and kindly move on. Being an ass get you nowhere.
People on SimulationStyle actually have class and respect. Unlike the Bastards that currently reside here.
Who the **** are you to say that Christmas is a fake Christain holiday bitch? Go grow a personality you ****ing bastard.

Dragula219 11-25-2006 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by CMG (Post 1009142)
Second, I ****ing dare you to join www.simulationstyle.com and tell them that they are ****ing morons if you feel that way... guarentee you you'll get you're ass handed to you cause people agree with me and everything I have to say.

And how dare you say that Christmas is a FAKE holiday you non-religious bastard!!!



When that is the first thing you see on a website, you know it's infested with stupid.

Christmas is not a christian holiday, you've just been trained to believe so. Like an animal. If you can't handle the truth, kill yourself.

Actually you should kill yourself anyway.

PS. Synth or any mod, please move this to TGB or Chit Chat.

EDIT: Cute, Nice to see you brought your little buddy with you. Now that you've had your little tantrum together, you can go back to simulation style and play with yourselves.

Deeks 11-25-2006 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by CMG (Post 1009087)
Congradulations... you have managed to take your pathetic time to disect everything I just said and try to turn it against me... this proves my point on how ****ing retarded people are. I've posted this in other places and you are the only one that had something negative to say about this, and the fact that you have absolutely nothing to agree with me about makes me wonder why your still wondering the earth. If you think your dumb smart-ass comments are going to offend me or piss me off then you are sadly mistaken. If anything you have accomplished making an ass of yourself by trying to sound smart when you really arent.

Anywho, does anyone else want to vent or get something off their chest? Or does anyone agree with anything I said... i know I didnt make this thread for nothing.

you spelled congratulations wrong.
ps it was a lot easier to read grandia's summary of this post.

lord_carbo 11-25-2006 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by CMG (Post 1009087)
Congradulations... you have managed to take your pathetic time to disect everything I just said and try to turn it against me... this proves my point on how ****ing retarded people are.

He's retarded ... yet you're speechless! You have yet to prove why he's wrong, although Grandia sure did a good job totally tearing apart everything you've stated in your petty unintelligent rant!

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Originally Posted by CMG (Post 1009087)
I've posted this in other places and you are the only one that had something negative to say about this,

Where else did you post this, Neopets and Gaia?

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Originally Posted by CMG (Post 1009087)
and the fact that you have absolutely nothing to agree with me about makes me wonder why your still wondering the earth.

EVERYONE NEEDS TO AGREE WITH WHAT YOU SAY RIGHT?

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Originally Posted by CMG (Post 1009087)
If you think your dumb smart-ass comments are going to offend me or piss me off then you are sadly mistaken.

For someone who isn't pissed off, you sure are going on one hell of a furious tangent. Good job, dumbass.

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Originally Posted by CMG (Post 1009087)
If anything you have accomplished making an ass of yourself by trying to sound smart when you really arent.

Grow up.

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Originally Posted by CMG (Post 1009087)
Anywho, does anyone else want to vent or get something off their chest?

This is critical thinking, not LiveJournal.

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Originally Posted by CMG (Post 1009087)
Or does anyone agree with anything I said... i know I didnt make this thread for nothing.

WHEN YOU MAKE A THREAD EVERYONE MUST AGREE WITH YOU OTHERWISE YOU HAVE MADE THE THREAD FOR NOTHING RIGHT?

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Originally Posted by DDR_Daikenkai (Post 1009173)
Grandiagod: You obviously have no life other than to be an asshole to other people.

Given the point of view and aggression in CMG's post, I'd say CMG is the asshole.

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Originally Posted by DDR_Daikenkai (Post 1009173)
Why in the hell would you sit there and pick at every single little sentence that he wrote?

To prove him wrong. CMG should of came here expecting someone to do that. It's Critical Thinking, not "State an opinion of yours you've made without thinking it through and noone else is allowed to state why you're wrong."

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Originally Posted by DDR_Daikenkai (Post 1009173)
What purpose does that solve? Nothing. It just solves that you're a ****ing moron. STFU

Wahahahahaha. See above.

lord_carbo 11-25-2006 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by CMG (Post 1009142)
First off, 4Chan is nothing more than a very random site, and had absolutely nothing to do with my rant which isnt random at all.

Which is why he told you to go post it on 4chan.

Someone needs to learn what symbolism and sarcasm is.

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Originally Posted by CMG (Post 1009142)
If anything I'm proving a point, which is that the majority of people are assholes, and I guess I hit the jackpot cause they must be all located here.

Ironically you're the biggest ass I've ever seen in my life. Not only are you going berserk on everyone, but you can't accept the fact that someone doesn't agree with you and that he can give valid reasons as to why.

If you're going to claim everyone else is an asshole, it's best to not be a bigger asshole than everyone else.

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Originally Posted by CMG (Post 1009142)
Second, I ****ing dare you to join www.simulationstyle.com and tell them that they are ****ing morons if you feel that way...

So they can respond in the same pseudo-intellectual way that you are by claiming you're stupid for disagreeing yet not proving why or trying to rebute?

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Originally Posted by CMG (Post 1009142)
And how dare you say that Christmas is a FAKE holiday you non-religious bastard!!!

>:'( WAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!!!

Deeks 11-25-2006 01:59 PM

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PWNED WITH A DOUBLE POST!

Dragula219 11-25-2006 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by lord_carbo (Post 1009218)
>:'( WAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!!!

Rofl.

Verruckter 11-25-2006 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by CMG (Post 1009142)
And how dare you say that Christmas is a FAKE holiday you non-religious bastard!!!

Please tell me you're joking.

Grandiagod 11-25-2006 02:11 PM

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Lol, Christmas was put in December to counteract the Pagan holidays. So, it really is a "fake" holiday.

Deeks 11-25-2006 02:17 PM

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cmg, you should take your time to type another big paragraph so it can be torn apart again

B0NK 11-25-2006 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by CMG (Post 1008817)
Next Topic... Girls in general. Some of you might be an exception to this next rant of mine but most of you are guilty of it. You need to stop with these ****ing mind games and "hard to get" act. You also need to stop dressing up and acting like those ****ing whores, skanks, and sluts in the media. Personalty goes a long way when it comes to finding the right person... looks alone wont do it, and first impressions are never a reliable source. What I'm trying to say is be yourself, and make up your ****ing mind. Men are not mind readers, if we were, we would know everything and anything about you as soon as we met you. Sure we make mistakes, sometimes retarded ones, but we are only human. You girls need to stop picking fights with us guys over the littlest ****. You also need to stop being ****ing jealous whenever we hang out with other girls. Just cause we chill with other girls DOES NOT MEAN WE DONT WANT TO BE WITH YOU!!! I believe i speak for every nice guy out there (since I am one myself) that we would LOVE to be with you whenever we had the chance. Besides, if we didnt love you or want to be with you, we would have dumped you a long while ago. So yea girls you need to change the way you think cause you being mental with us is making us guys loose our minds.

a) you say that youre a nice guy but youre flamming everyone who disagrees with you and youre calling all girls whores, skanks and sluts.

b) you say that girls need to stop being jealous but hey, theyre only human like you, right?

c) gtfo and go gay already

noviceanimeartist 11-25-2006 03:32 PM

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Oh, man. How did I know this thread was going to turn into a flame fest between two opposing opinions? D:

While the first post wasn't the greatest approach to starting a thread, the next poster managed to make things worse by changing most of the things he posted and turning it into an insult, which wasn't the way to go.

It might've been Grandiagod's way of letting off some steam, but still. You don't disregard it if you don't prove as to why you disregard it.

CMG, it would make things easier as to why you think that way, and what made you think that way. It seemed as though you were just ranting on and on about all the things that you were against or didn't like. I guess that's a way of releaving stress but I don't think this is the place to do it.

Other posters weren't helping by insulting him in every other sentence. This entire thread is corrupted and needs to be locked.

Cavernio 11-25-2006 04:21 PM

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I should prolly frequent TGB more often. **** like this is occasionally fun to read.

The thread was MADE to insult, despite begging that no one insult anyone who uses this forum specifically.

Dragula: You say 'being a giant blubbering vagina on your period' is an insult or something. I wonder how many women chase after you? Must be those ones who like being put down because of their gender.

CMG: You've obviously not found the right woman. How about you search for one who you don't think poorly of? Speaking of which, saying you've been trying to help 2 ex-girlfriends and then saying you don't give a **** about them paints a pretty picture of you 'playing' them. Its all about perspective. Brainwashing changes perspective. What makes brainwashing different from regular changing your mind? Malicious intent?

Love how people jump on the pagan holiday thing, without actually knowing that it was a festival based around the winter solstice. Bonus points to ignorance!

I also have no clue what Black Friday is, or why its called that.

Tokzic 11-25-2006 08:39 PM

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I was halfway through breaking down your textual wall of baseless whining when I realized that it was utterly pointless to do so, seeing as you're being cut down plenty and your rant has made it evident you're such a one-minded twit that you'd disregard any logical counterarguement completely.

In conclusion: you're retarded rofl

RandomPscho 11-25-2006 09:15 PM

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I also have no clue what Black Friday is, or why its called that.
I think people get it from the term from Black Tuesday when the stock market crashed starting the Great Depression. People go out and spend a ton using credit, which is what caused the crash... And... Yeah...


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