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quantsini 12-14-2003 10:57 AM

what does FLCL try to portray in human society?
 
I'm having some debates whether FLCL tries to portray that humans tend to live in illusion (AKA Plato's Parable of the Cave), or there is no real world, and we're all living inside a fantasy within our minds (AKA The Matrix)?

i'd like to know what think this anime tries to portray.

Anticrombie0909 12-14-2003 11:00 AM

FLCL? What? Explain, please.

lightdarkness 12-14-2003 11:02 AM

Well... even though i dont know what FLCL is, i will respond to your matrix theroy.
I dont believe in that, if we are all in a dream world, who is dreaming it, and how did THEY get there, and if we are just a dream, or controlled by computers or something, why dont they just erase our memory of the subject, makes yah think if this all is just in our heads.

Anticrombie0909 12-14-2003 11:07 AM

See, here's the interesting thing, and I've actually thought about it a lot. A man who cannot touch, hear, see, smell, or taste literally has no way to know what is happening in the world, no way to distinguish whether he is awake or sleeping, no way to tell if he is alive or dead. We could all be in the Matrix right now, but we wouldnt' be able to tell. Ever.

Here's something I've thought about. This is from the Matrix:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Morpheus
What is real? If you're talking about what you can taste, and touch, and smell, then 'real' is simply the recognition of electrical impluses translated by your brain. What's to say that all of this isn't 'real'?

If you've ever read The Giver, it would help a lot. In the world that the story is set in, there is no color. Everything is in shades of black and white. The only one who knows what color is is the man known as 'The Giver', who passes down the gift of color to the next 'giver'. Very wierd book, but its true. Think about trying to explain the color 'red' to someone who has been blind their entire life. You can't do it.

Maybe nothing really exists at all. Maybe our eyes make up things, and make our brain believe that when we reach out to touch a leaf that we see, that leaf is actually there. But the most frustrating thing about this, is that with our own brains as our prisons we will never know the truth.

lightdarkness 12-14-2003 11:15 AM

Damn, that is some deep shit, It is very true what morphus said, but then again, he is fictional. But about what our minds think, who decided that the color of the forums is blue, why isnt what we see as blue, red. We cannot describe the color blue, other than "blue" the giver was an exelent book, towards the end, when the memories of the past were released, color began to show, so when you think back to when your a kid, who told you what was blue, or red? I cannot remember, and i betcha big money you dont either, if we wanted to, overgenerations we could change the view on peoples lifes
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mouse
How do we know everything tastes like chicken, what if chicken tastes like everything else

Something like that

Lupin_the_3rd 12-14-2003 11:54 AM

FLCL would be Furi kuri, or as some idiots like to say: fooly cooly...

it's one of the best anime's ever made in my opinion

i'm not sure what it's supposed to portray though...

lightdarkness 12-14-2003 01:04 PM

i have never seen that anime, so i wouldnt know about it
where can i get some episodes, maybe then i will know what your tlaking about FLCL

Lupin_the_3rd 12-14-2003 01:07 PM

suncoast/fye will have it

Moogy 12-14-2003 01:10 PM

Try DC++ or WinMX. Kazaa might have a few episodes too. IRC will obviously have all of them somewhere, but it's a matter of finding out where.

lightdarkness 12-14-2003 01:14 PM

real (taken from dictionary.com)
1.
a. Being or occurring in fact or actuality; having verifiable existence: real objects; a real illness.
b. True and actual; not imaginary, alleged, or ideal: real people, not ghosts; a film based on real life.
c. Of or founded on practical matters and concerns: a recent graduate experiencing the real world for the first time.
2. Genuine and authentic; not artificial or spurious: real mink; real humility.
3. Being no less than what is stated; worthy of the name: a real friend.
4. Free of pretense, falsehood, or affectation: tourists hoping for a real experience on the guided tour.

BluE_MeaniE 12-14-2003 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by lightdarkness
, why isnt what we see as blue, red.

Well, there's no reason for thinking like that because, blue is blue.
the word "blue" was named after a certain color that everyone can agree on (as in, whatever color everybody sees these forums is blue, regardless if each eyes see something different). It can't be "what we think is blue, is really red" because we came up with the name for both colors.

Umm...do you understand what I mean?

Anticrombie0909 12-14-2003 03:00 PM

What are you talking about? The trim is orange, and the backround is light red. The quick reply boxes are blue. wtf?

Lupin_the_3rd 12-14-2003 03:04 PM

that would be kind of interesting, if everyone saw different colors, for example, an apple to you would be blue, but since you were used to it, it wouldn't seem weird...i can't think of an exception to prove this wrong

Anticrombie0909 12-14-2003 03:10 PM

What? Nobody's gonna comment on my subtle color un-recognition? Fine, you all suck.

Side note: 1400 posts. W00t.

Lupin_the_3rd 12-14-2003 03:14 PM

what are you talking about un-recognition?

its always been red and orange...you're pretty fuckin dumb

yeah...when jewpin comes here he will be able to talk about furi kuri...he is like the furi kuri master

lightswitch_raves 12-14-2003 03:43 PM

flcl shows us that life is far far too boring.

jewpinthethird 12-14-2003 05:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lupin_the_3rd
yeah...when jewpin comes here he will be able to talk about furi kuri...he is like the furi kuri master

I am the Evangelion Master, not FLCL. (Actually, I have a Ph.D in Evangelion. Or so I claim). I am just extremely fond of FLCL. It is my second favorite anime. I havent put as much thought into FLCL as I have Evangelion (4 years of research including paradoxes, religious symbolism, and themes).

You have inspired me to create a new thread. (I'll do it someday)

Now, back to FLCL. There are a lot of similarities between Shinji and Naoto. Both are jealous of their fathers (Oedipus complex), but have insane responsiblities for there age (Shinji-13, Naoto-12), and both are emotionally warped. Both have troubles with women (although it doesnt seem like that for Naoto, it is).

I think in both animes, there is a theme that with responsiblity comes sacrifice. I dont know, I have been meaning to watch FLCL again. Which I will in the next week or so. After that, I will have some really good ideas.

lightswitch_raves 12-14-2003 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by jewpinthethird
Quote:

Originally Posted by Lupin_the_3rd
yeah...when jewpin comes here he will be able to talk about furi kuri...he is like the furi kuri master

I am the Evangelion Master, not FLCL. (Actually, I have a Ph.D in Evangelion. Or so I claim). I am just extremely fond of FLCL. It is my second favorite anime. I havent put as much thought into FLCL as I have Evangelion (4 years of research including paradoxes, religious symbolism, and themes).

You have inspired me to create a new thread. (I'll do it someday)

Now, back to FLCL. There are a lot of similarities between Shinji and Naoto. Both are jealous of their fathers (Oedipus complex), but have insane responsiblities for there age (Shinji-13, Naoto-12), and both are emotionally warped. Both have troubles with women (although it doesnt seem like that for Naoto, it is).

I think in both animes, there is a theme that with responsiblity comes sacrifice. I dont know, I have been meaning to watch FLCL again. Which I will in the next week or so. After that, I will have some really good ideas.

thats incredible. i have never seen anyone use flcl, evangelion and sigmund freud theories in the same post before. now, if you had worked serial experiments lain in there, i would have rendered you a god.

in my opinion, i beleive that gainax truly wasnt going for the "universal theme" in flcl, as they did in eva. i think with flcl, they tried to throw a money making anime together, and the result was a mass melting pot full of crackheads and almost impossible to comprehend characters. And its incredibly how well it turned out to be.

lightdarkness 12-14-2003 10:16 PM

i was not saying i dont belive blue is really blue
i was just making a point, as saying how do we know what is what we say it is, it is a pre set image in our minds.

jewpinthethird 12-16-2003 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by lightswitch_raves
Quote:

Originally Posted by jewpinthethird
Quote:

Originally Posted by Lupin_the_3rd
yeah...when jewpin comes here he will be able to talk about furi kuri...he is like the furi kuri master

I am the Evangelion Master, not FLCL. (Actually, I have a Ph.D in Evangelion. Or so I claim). I am just extremely fond of FLCL. It is my second favorite anime. I havent put as much thought into FLCL as I have Evangelion (4 years of research including paradoxes, religious symbolism, and themes).

You have inspired me to create a new thread. (I'll do it someday)

Now, back to FLCL. There are a lot of similarities between Shinji and Naoto. Both are jealous of their fathers (Oedipus complex), but have insane responsiblities for there age (Shinji-13, Naoto-12), and both are emotionally warped. Both have troubles with women (although it doesnt seem like that for Naoto, it is).

I think in both animes, there is a theme that with responsiblity comes sacrifice. I dont know, I have been meaning to watch FLCL again. Which I will in the next week or so. After that, I will have some really good ideas.

thats incredible. i have never seen anyone use flcl, evangelion and sigmund freud theories in the same post before. now, if you had worked serial experiments lain in there, i would have rendered you a god.

in my opinion, i beleive that gainax truly wasnt going for the "universal theme" in flcl, as they did in eva. i think with flcl, they tried to throw a money making anime together, and the result was a mass melting pot full of crackheads and almost impossible to comprehend characters. And its incredibly how well it turned out to be.

Well, just the fact that someone besides me knows what FLCL, EVANGELION, and the Oedipus complex is, I am quite amazed myself. One of these days I'll have my full Essay on Evangelion written out and I'll post it when I do. Since last year, I have been forced to do comparative essays for IB English HL1...so it is sort of second nature to do so.

I agree, FLCL...although very...frantic...still very very good. If it were a longer series, it might have even surpassed Evangelion in my opinion. I also love the animation in FLCL.

I have yet to see Serial Experiments Lain..but now I will make an effort too. I hadnt heard much about it, so it wasnt on my "to see" list.

MalReynolds 12-17-2003 12:05 AM

All of those are rip-offs of Plato's Algorithim of the Cave. Look it up. It's pretty interesting.


Mal

jewpinthethird 12-18-2003 07:23 PM

Already read it. And none those have anything in common with Algorithim of the Cave. AOTC has to do with someone "seeing the light" (or discovering that of which they believed to be true, not to be.) Returning to the cave, trying to explain their discoverings to the others who had not become wise to the truth, and having the others not believe them.

Evangelion is about how Humanity has become dirty and worthless/how pain is "reality", just as love is, and we need to learn to deal with it/ how individuality is what makes us humans...and a lot of religious symbolism (as I will explain in my essay).

FLCL is about how...uh...well, it does have a meaning some where....But not that of AOTC.

Yanah_God 12-18-2003 07:40 PM

i'm not reading 2 pages of posts, so i'm responding to the original topic

FLCL is an anime

it doesn't mean shit, it's just there to stare at and give you siezures

jewpinthethird 12-18-2003 07:48 PM

Yanah, contray to popular belief, books and movies often times do have an underlining meaning that relates to society. But I wouldnt expect you to know that.

Yanah_God 12-18-2003 08:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yanah_God
FLCL is an anime

it doesn't mean (#$%, it's just there to stare at and give you siezures


heyhey11 12-18-2003 08:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lightswitch_raves
i would have rendered you a god.

i have already rendered jewpin as the holy spirit

Yanah_God 12-18-2003 08:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lightdarkness
Damn, that is some deep (#$%, It is very true what morphus said, but then again, he is fictional. But about what our minds think, who decided that the color of the forums is blue, why isnt what we see as blue, red. We cannot describe the color blue, other than "blue" the giver was an exelent book, towards the end, when the memories of the past were released, color began to show, so when you think back to when your a kid, who told you what was blue, or red? I cannot remember, and i betcha big money you dont either, if we wanted to, overgenerations we could change the view on peoples lifes
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mouse
How do we know everything tastes like chicken, what if chicken tastes like everything else

Something like that

do you even know how vision works?

light is just bouncing off of objects which have a certain hue and it comes back and our eyes translate it into colors

and for blue being red... it's not, look.. anywhere

Falcon 12-18-2003 11:00 PM

i think the point that whoever it was was trying to make was... what if what we believe is blue is truly red? perhaps when the person who named colors, whoever that might have been, he said what we see as blue was red. but somewhere down the line, someone decided that "red" was "blue". it becomes impossibly complicated and theres no real use in discussing it. blue is blue, red is red.

as for the matrix theory, for it to work all humans would have to be dreaming the same dream of the same world, and their dreams would have to be directly connected to the actions that happen in other peoples dreams. for instance, i could dream that there are no other cars on a road that i am driving on, and someone else could be dreaming the same thing. would we hit? if our worlds were concurrent, then yes, more than likely we would. that brings up the thought that we could all be in our own separate dream worlds... but would our minds be twisted enough to dream some of the things that happen in the world? as for a situation that is exactly like the matrix... i guess it could be possible. its ridiculous to think about, but there is no way to tell whether we are being controlled by machines outside of our dream world.

as for FLCL and eva, never seen either. i'll wait for the doctors book.

jewpinthethird 12-19-2003 01:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Yanah_God
Quote:

Originally Posted by Yanah_God
FLCL is an anime

it doesn't mean (#$%, it's just there to stare at and give you siezures


You see Yanah. You have mistaken the cartoonish look of ANIME to be children's shows. Until you see Evangelion or FLCL, shut up you arrogant baffoon.

MalReynolds 12-19-2003 01:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jewpinthethird
Quote:

Originally Posted by Yanah_God
Quote:

Originally Posted by Yanah_God
FLCL is an anime

it doesn't mean (#$%, it's just there to stare at and give you siezures


You see Yanah. You have mistaken the cartoonish look of ANIME to be children's shows. Until you see Evangelion or FLCL, shut up you arrogant baffoon.

Yanah, you need to learn to pick and choose your fights. I didn't fight about the AOTC, because hey! I wasn't right. Looks like you need to learn to do that, too.


Mal

jewpinthethird 12-20-2003 01:20 AM

It takes a lot of guts to admit you are wrong. Good for you Mal.

Yanah, you should be more like Mal.

Tasuke 12-20-2003 02:05 AM

This is too confusing...
About the whole "real" being real thing I think that in oreder to have evryone believing the same thing
we would have to be sent into a virtual "past"
iuntil things kept advancing until we reached the actual time we are at really and by that time someone would have had to have discovered that it wasn't real by tthen. In my opinion what is going on right now is real what ever little fake world that you are living is just like a alternate reality that might exist until you syop thinking about it . so taking what I just said we could be in the mind of a four-year-old just expirincing the trials and tribulations that he wants us to . Then if he was to die we would all die causing all of our "imagined universes" to be destroyed which might cause the imaging imagined "universe" to be destroyed so on and so on until we reach a point where the universe of the child that destyroyded our universe is destroyed causing the whole thing to start over again in some aprodox-y way.


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