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The Political Game: Abortion/Murder
so this guy is pissed and kills his wife and unbrn child...and guess what? hes charged for, 2, yes 2 murders...but wait when a woman kills her unborn child, its legal, and unpunishable...your thoughts
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Hmm...that's actually a good topic. I'll adress each one separately.
I don't believe abortion is murder. First off, there's a limit to how late you can do it, so you abort two days after conception you're just stopping a bunch of cells from growing. You shed thousands of dead skin cells a day, and kill thousands more, so unless you want to count all of them as murders also... Plus, look at abortion this way. Say a mother gets pregnant and doesn't abort, but can't afford another baby. So she either abandons the baby after its born to die (worse), leads it in a life of poverty and sickness (worse) or in extreme situations, sells it to an organ farm or something (much worse). As for the murder of them, I'm assuming at the time of death the baby was nearly complete in its growth, in which case it would have the first inklings of conciousness, but beyond that its what it might have been that matters. The baby would have been born, and would have lead a life, so technically its still killing. |
Wow. So many different opinions on this one. Here goes.
Honestly, I disagree with abortion. If the woman is careless enough to sleep around, she needs to be aware that when a SPERM meets an EGG there is a BABY. If she can't handle that, then maybe more than one condom is necessary. I don't really consider myself a very religious person, so I'm not taking this from a religious standpoint, but we all have morals, and one of mine is to NOT kill an unborn child if it's not wanted. |
What if the woman is responsible, though? What if she did use a condom, and it was with her husband, but the condom broke? She's not being careless, but she can't afford a baby. What then?
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It depends on the stage of the baby within the womb.
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Like you said, it it's just some embryo, do whatever the hell you want with it, but an actual fetus? That's just, ewwww.
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Or what if the woman was raped? What then?
Until you have seen the results of an unwanted child born into a family who is barely getting by, you have no right to say anything. "Keep your Rosaries off my ovaries." |
That's why there are laws against aborting after the first cycle of the pregnancy unless it endangers the mother's health, or some other circumstance that would require abortion.
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i dont know the specifics of the case...i should have known before i posted, but i can look it up...but to say that it would have a life, isnt right, i mean an aborted child would have a life too...what you are syaing makes sense that if a family cannot economically support the child. but what if they can, they still have a right to an abortion...yes you are stopping cells form growing, well not grwoing, multiplying...but you dont abort two days after conception...its ussually around, someone help me out here, 3 months...the baby is cut out of the womb and stabbed in the back of the head...also that poor mother could always put him/her up for adoption...in my mind everyone has the right to live, and so does each baby, born or uborn i dont care...killing is murder...if that man is charged for two murders, then so should every woman that has gotten an abortion
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If she's raped, put it up for adoption. I know that most adoption agencies don't really need more kids, but it's better than killing them. But if they can support a kid, there's no reason to abort.
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But if its nothing but a few cells, its not really killing anything since it doesn't have a concious mind of any sort. And like you said, we don't need more starving, poverty-ridden kids filling up adoption agencies when there's only so many parents out there to take them.
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you cant detect and remove only a few cells it is impossible, what you are talking about is ludacris
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Yeah, I agree with the cell thing. Like Anti said with that analogy, which btw was a very nice one, we kill more than just a few cells every day. It's not necessarily impossible. After all, it's going to be in the uterus (sp), we all know that, it may be a little hard to find, but if you let it develop just a little while longer, it'll be possible.
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don you get it, abortions dont take place early in the pregnancy, ever
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Except...they actually do. They have a thing called the 'morning after' pill, which aborts the pregnancy if taken within two days of unprotected sex.
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Not certain types of abortions. And like I said, if you let it develop enough to actually see it, you can get rid of it before it's actually "human like".
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how
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Jesus and black magic.
It's possible, I know that much. |
Whether you like it or not, abortion will always be an option. Whether it is right or wrong, will find out in the afterlife.
Just remember back to when abortion was outlawed. Hundreds of mothers were killed in home made abortion clinics. |
That's just like everything else. We can't outlaw it for that reason. Just like the Prohibition, people never quit doing it. I DO think it's wrong, but I DON'T think it should be illegal.
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Well...if its not wrong enough to be illegal, its just like drinking and gambling, right? Wrong, but not illegal?
Would you say drinking and gambling would land you in Hell? |
ok i see, it is a type of birth control...i see not how that is like abortion at all, its like a condom or any other BC pill...
not so jewpin, when bush is reelceted, which he will be becuase the market is rising, and a few of supreme court justices retire, as expected, he will appoint some new antiabortion judges...abortion will not be here for much longer if W's plan works out |
Errr...I don't know about Bush's reelection there, Makaveli. You're right, the economy is rising, but prior to that it was at an almost all time low. Public opinion of Bush is falling in recent times. Or at least, my opinion on him.
Look, I don't want to get into a political debate, I just think that any man who can't eat a damn pretzel without nearly killing himself should not have his finger on the button. |
Not if I can assassinate him first.
But really, the USA is turnning into a shit hole of a place to live. everyone hates us, we are still getting killed in Iraq, no progress has been made at all. |
hehe yeah that was awesome...but stocks being up is the number one factor for reelection for any party...plus there is no clear democratic candidate yet, which will hirt the party badly...i have alomst no doubt bush wull be reelcted, the history of politics saya so...plus ill vote for him
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We'll see what happens.
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And... No clear Dem. candidate, eh? Okay, if you mean ONE, sure, I believe you, but I can think of several that are quite clear. Oh, and Bush isn't getting reelected. |
I still think its funny that of all our losses in Iraq, only some 5% were from enemy warfare. The hell is Bush keeping them there for? We had them beat in two weeks, and we lost like 40 troops to their hundreds. But if you ask me, we've definitely overstayed our welcome. We did what we went there to do, now ship em the hell out...would you like enemy troops occupying your country?
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agreed...anyone got anything else on this murder issue
btw if you assassinate him, ill kill you |
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liberals suck; and by clear democratic candidate i mean one, hence the not-plural, you know only one runs for president...iraq was an excuse for bush to station troops in the middle east...we all, well we all politiaclly intelligent know that...our republican prez's have always wanted to be in there...now if OPEC tries to do something weird or something breaks out in Iran or Saudi Arabia, were right there to take care of it...at least for our best interest, and thats what matters, us
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Kind of true, about Bush's plan in Iraq. It was kind of a 'shoot first ask questions later' type of deal. He focused on getting Saddam out, and didnt' consider any implications of what to do afterword. Also, with the deficeit at the all time high that it is, I don't know what he's thinking borrowing what was it...$150 billion total from Congress?
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no i think 80 billion...its the patriot act who could vote against such a, dare i say, patriotic act...well one guy did...he did go in to get out saddam, but theres in doubt he had other implications as well
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Yeah, but Bush took out two loans, remember? Oh, it was actually $120 billion I think. $40 billion at the beginning of the war, and another $79 billion recently.
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Heres my thoughts
Killing a human being is wrong, just flat out, but before the child is born, i do not feel the child is "alive". It is the mothers decision to decided if they want to keep their child, but i do not feel that if they dont want it, the only alternative is to kill it. There are thousands of couples in the United States who are uncapable of having children, may it be disease or a heriditary thing. They would be very thankfull for a child to call their own. However, it is my understanding that there are certian laws prohibiting abortions after a certain point in the pregnacy. Although i think it is horrible, JUST after a woman because pregnent is the ONLY time they should be able to proform such an act. Afterwards the child develops a brain and i feel you will then be killing it. About murder murder is wrong, there should be none of it in society, i do not understand what would drive someone to kill, wheter it be their life aint going to great, or they have problems in their head. But, if they do kill.... they should be locked up for life, only if volentary of corse. If you do unvolentary manslaughter, you need to be punished, however not for life. These are my views, they are mine, you may have others... but dont criticise me for them. and dont criticise my speeling ether |
yes actually lightdarkness, bush passed a partial-birth bill, saying that abortions cant take place like after 7 months after conception or something...but you said murder was wrong and abortions are okay...so how do you feel about the man being charged with two murders
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life isnt fair, plus i dont know if you could be charged on that
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You could at least be sued for every penny you own. Read my thread about the Judicial system that I just posted.
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If I remember what I read correctly, there is no way out of the parrtial-birth ban. That is, no matter the threat to the mother, an abortion may not be performed. But I could bewrong, that's just what I remember reading.
Myself, I think that abortion is alright to a point, but I don't think that this point can be determined and used as a universal. It's something that may be different for each individual baby. So like, if it's possible at all to monitor the baby's brain's level of function, as well as clearly determine which parts of the brain are used for the more cognitive thinking and those used mainly for survival, then it could be (more) easily determined if the baby was more human-like, or merely an organism. That's not to say, though, that each life(organism, licing thing, etc . . . ) isn't important. Does anyone know what costs more? The whole delivery process in the hospital or the aboriton procedure? Oh, and makaveli, liberals do NOT suck :) |
About partial births
i feel that you cannot kill a child after its brain has developed at that point, i belive the child is considered "alive" and about involentary manslaughter, It is a shame that after an acident where you kill someone, your life goes to hell... the goverment should make it known it was not their fault and it is not "tottaly" a crime, however, you are going to start running into people who think that they can get a way with nothing by sayign it was an acident, the cycle continues... |
That's what I mean about the whole keeping track of the developement thing. Because brains may not all develope the same way, if there is a part of the brain that isn't as much developed, the fetus may not have consciousness yet.
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And i must say, i am happy with the way this critical thinking board is going... |
Hmm . . . it is seeming to take that turn, but it's not a BAD turn. I mean, it could be worse. This board seems to be doing fairly well. But it could change. :| Let's hope not.
If the fetus is aborted, I don't see what's wrong with using the cells . . . Unless the parents was against that. OR ex-parent. Pre-ex-parent. Something. |
Yeah
as long as the parents BOTH agree and it is in the VERY early stages if it means saving millions of lives in the future, then .... ok, but only with both parents consent's and if its early.... |
Yes, definitely. OTherwise it's a tich unethical, I think.
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B: that is an outragous claim, of corse thats true, but then again, if it WERE true, most of us would not be posting in this thread right now, and synth might not have created ffr, or the maker or konami might not have created bemani and ddr i think that guy has a point, but i dissagree... |
True? Not really. Not really at all. There's no real way to predict who would or wouldn't have been aborted if it were legal. A big thing is that it IS legal, so Michael Jackson, the "Columbine Crew," adn Beyonce, love or loathe we have them regardless of the legality of abortion. That site is just disturbing.
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there are too many "What If's?" in everyones mind there is no way to change the past, look to the future |
Yeah way to pick apart my page guys, and way to call me on ripping off Maddox. Wow, that must take some SERIOUS brain power.
"Derr.. if everyone were aborted, we'd all be dead.." GOOD CALL GALILEO, That's some SERIOUS deductive logic skill you got goin' there. Learn to laugh. Gimme a break. |
ha ha ha ha
no, your a maddox rip off plan and simple anyways, if we were all aborted, there would be no world, and IF it were like that, there would be laws put into place to preserve man kind, stop living in the past and look forward to the future. |
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His views are completely unrational, however he is entitled to his opionion and i respect his opinion. However heres mine, he is just posting things like that to be known on the internet, but i bettcha a million bucks, you wont see him on tech tv like maddox is. |
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