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Specforces 10-3-2006 05:31 PM

I don't think the majority of society is brainwashed
 
A small rant:

I just think most people choose not to see past their noses. There are few that really buy into the farce the media feeds us, at least not competely. Most people don't wish the bite the hand that feeds them, even if that hand is completely self-serving and deceptively altruistic. Nationalism mixed in with apathy, those are the real diseases in the world today, and it's been that way for awhile. America has become a nation of convenience, it's fairly obvious to see. Ever since Vietnam, and the various scandals and debacles that have followed soon after, Americans have definitely become more suspicious of the overall intent of the "powers that be." But here's the deal, most could give a **** as long as it is perceived that they are making the real decisions behind their lives. Fulfilling their own basic needs and a couple of other rungs up on Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs. That's all they need, the perception of a free society. As long as there is food on the table and noone is harming the sanctity of their everyday routine, most will submit to whatever the powers do. That's where nationalism comes into play, I think right about now, for most people, it's about 4/5 apathy and about 1/5 nationalistic propaganda and control, though some may very drastically. As a whole that's the trend that I see. What do I mean by nationalistic control? One would have to be fairly blind to not notice the racist campaigns that pop up every time we face some new adversary. They've been mostly racist as of late anyway. It gives our "fight" some sort of face and cause. These blanket stereotypes of a people, or perceived "enemy," these are the tools leadership uses to rally one's people.

Islam is the most recent.

Mystik3345 10-3-2006 08:08 PM

Re: I don't think the majority of society is brainwashed
 
Is it wrong for us to be suspicious of a Muslim if all we see on TV nowadays is a guy wearing a turben and robes walking up to some happy little shop on a street, and blowing himself up? I think not. I hate the Bush administration, but I love the principles that govern America: total freedom within the law. And the law being dont do things that hurt others, basically.

Specforces 10-4-2006 11:49 AM

Re: I don't think the majority of society is brainwashed
 
I honestly think that's a very racist statement, because I know for a fact that many fundamentalists that don't advocate violence would dress in that fashion. That's putting a blanket statement on an entire people/group and it's not right.

Honestly, if you haven't lost a friend in combat or you haven't been overseas to fight in a war, I don't think you really should have that much hatred on a people, because you're basing it on what the media is telling you, not what you've seen for yourself.

But if you have, I think it kind of alters your mindset, the soldiers aren't fighting for America, they're fighting for their lives.

Cavernio 10-4-2006 09:25 PM

Re: I don't think the majority of society is brainwashed
 
As much as I know I shouldn't get into discussion about what the West is getting into with the middle east, there's still something of moral regard into why we're fighting the Taliban. This group has reportedly taken away freedoms from people in Afghanistan. Freedoms such as education for women and freedom of religion. No comments about the **** that's happend in Iraq though.

I'm not aware of racist add campaigns. But then again, I'm in Canada. That's just awful. I think I'm more aware media where non-fundamentalist muslims voice their opinions that they're just as shocked and appalled at members of their religion who do things like blow things and people up. (fundamentalists of any religion scare me. I define them as people who think that the world should be run from their religion, that people should die for their religion.)

People will always be happy to sit there and be apathetic. I'm one of them myself. There's so much **** that's going on in the world all the time, we can't help but be aware of human rights being broken the world over. What do you suggest we, the people, do? About what situations in particular, or in general?

Specforces 10-4-2006 09:34 PM

Re: I don't think the majority of society is brainwashed
 
Yeah, that kind of was never the mission in the first place.

Case in point:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,217198,00.html

Cavernio 10-5-2006 01:55 PM

Re: I don't think the majority of society is brainwashed
 
Uhh, alright. What's your link got to do with anything?

Again, how do we make ourselves less apathetic? What can we do?

Specforces 10-6-2006 12:38 PM

Re: I don't think the majority of society is brainwashed
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Cavernio (Post 920704)
Uhh, alright. What's your link got to do with anything?

Again, how do we make ourselves less apathetic? What can we do?

I was pointing out your comments about right and wrong and the "right" reasons to go into Afghanistan and whatnot. I mean, the idea is so pretty, but you know damn well no society is purely altruistic in any motive.

T0rajir0u 10-6-2006 08:31 PM

Re: I don't think the majority of society is brainwashed
 
Define "brainwashed."

Cavernio 10-7-2006 12:59 AM

Re: I don't think the majority of society is brainwashed
 
"...there's still *something* of a moral regard..."

As much as I agree with you that people just don't do enough to try and change things, (I'm terribly apathetic myself, no denying) I'm as stuck as you are with what I can actually do to change things, besides, like, make my own party or something. Or join protests (as if they've ever accomplished something).


Mystik: You're a total jerk if you automatically think 'terrorist' anytime you see a muslim. Rather, you're a jerk if you don't tell yourself its not ok to be so blatantly predjudiced. (With all the hype about it, good and bad over this, its hard to NOT automatically think 'war, terrorism, muslim' when you see someone.)

Specforces 10-9-2006 11:28 PM

Re: I don't think the majority of society is brainwashed
 
Yeah, protests seem to attract few people that actually want to make a change, and a bunch of people that just want to riot.

Coolgamer 10-17-2006 01:33 PM

Re: I don't think the majority of society is brainwashed
 
Remind me again what the difference between brainwashed and stupid is.

The human race has never exactly set a proud example.

hund 10-24-2006 10:06 PM

Re: I don't think the majority of society is brainwashed
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Cavernio (Post 923087)
Mystik: You're a total jerk if you automatically think 'terrorist' anytime you see a muslim. Rather, you're a jerk if you don't tell yourself its not ok to be so blatantly predjudiced. (With all the hype about it, good and bad over this, its hard to NOT automatically think 'war, terrorism, muslim' when you see someone.)


I was in Iraq last year and everyone that was shooting s*** at us looked....MUSLIM. So what if I had a predetermined state of mind on an entire group of people, its because some of them were tring to kill me and everyone i know while we were tring to help the Iraqi people who are also muslim. Does it make me a racist or something like it when all I wanted to do is stay alive and make it home in one piece?


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