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I'd really like to know how "God" can condemn someone for something they can't control. For example, one does not make the choice to become homosexual, yet homosexuality is a sin?
I've been seriously questioning my faith lately, and I just don't believe any more. I want answers. Please share your thoughts, feelings, etc. |
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Who says they can't control it?
Or rather, since some say it can be controlled and others say it can't, how do you know who is right? Your question is based on uncertain premises. And, whatever the answer is to that question, engaging in homosexual acts most certainly is a choice. --Guido http://andy.mikee385.com |
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How is someone born a homosexual is my question. A baby isn't born with the immediate thought that they've decided to like people of the same gender. Those feelings develop over time, and they CAN be controlled. When people say that they "can't help it", they're lying.
Therefore, homosexuality is something you choose to be. I know this is a weak argument, but I honestly don't understand how a small baby is born homosexual. Becoming homosexual is a choice, not something you're automatically born with. That's my input... I'm Christian, actually, to be more specific, LDS (mormon). I thought that homosexuality was wrong, but, I really don't at all now because I'm bisexual. However, I do believe that an individual chooses to become whatever they want to be, and they choose to have feelings for whoever they want, no matter what gender, race, age, etc. |
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Simple answer would be that "God" in the light that you percieve it, does not exist. There is no astral being who shines down their light on us and makes us follow rules. There may be higher beings, but they do not govern us.
What you are actually talking about as governing the faith of Christianity is that of the church, they are the ones telling you homosexuality and the like is wrong, and that is the information you are following and abiding by. Gods will, ha. |
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Right about now, I would have started preaching the gospel to you, but I'll just keep it to myself. I don't want to appear like a complete idiot when it comes to arguing about whether or not there is a God.
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You can attempt to "preach" all you want, but that doesn't change the fact that what you are told to percieve comes from the Church. The bible is held in complete control by the church, they can change it how they want and make you believe it. They can tell you what is a sin in the eyes of god, they can tell you how to repent. It isn't god telling you all this, it is the church.
Just another democratic parliament under the blanket of false hope. |
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The funny thing is that you have not realized that I am a mormon which means I base my religion mostly on the Book of Mormon. And the Bibles we have are different as well.
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Let me rephrase: How do you know the Bible was written completely of the will of men? Physically? Sure, they transcribed, but according to anyone religious, the words all came from God, inspiring the men. You have no basis on which to argue against that without making a completely unfounded assumption. Also, how exactly would you disjoin the commandments from all other sins? @Reaper: Where did you get the idea that any church can just change the Bible? Also, what religions dictate what is a sin without basing such a judgment in scripture? I'm not very up with Protestant religions, but I know the Catholic Church 100% does not. --Guido http://andy.mikee385.com |
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New post for importance and completely different direction.
DancingCow: Go talk to a priest or a preacher or what have you. They have the answers; FFR doesn't. Hell, ANYONE who has questions about religion: GO ASK PEOPLE WHO REALLY KNOW ABOUT IT. They could answer any question you have. ANY question, especially the ones that commonly come up. --Guido http://andy.mikee385.com |
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Long story short, the church can and has changed the Bible. In recent years they haven't made literal changes, however, but just look at the early times of Christianity. Ever hear of the Dead Sea scrolls? You know why they're important, don't you? It's because they're parts of the Bible that the church cut out. In other words, they changed the Bible. Aside from that, they can change meanings behind things in the Bible. Isn't there something in the Bible about stoning women for being adulterers? "An eye for an eye"? psh. |
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What I mean is that our bibles aren't any differernt from any other Christian faith. We just sort of have more scripture. @ TheRapingDragon: First off, I have no idea how your name is appropriate for this forum. Rape is no laughing matter. Second: "You can attempt to "preach" all you want, but that doesn't change the fact that what you are told to percieve comes from the Church. The bible is held in complete control by the church, they can change it how they want and make you believe it. They can tell you what is a sin in the eyes of god, they can tell you how to repent. It isn't god telling you all this, it is the church. Just another democratic parliament under the blanket of false hope." Yeah, because everyone that follows a religion does so because it's what they are told and not because it's what they believe for themselves, just as everything you think is entirely derived from your own head and not from the views of society at large enforcing their ideas through the media. @ Afro: "Aside from that, they can change meanings behind things in the Bible. Isn't there something in the Bible about stoning women for being adulterers? "An eye for an eye"? psh." At least in my own religion, we're told to interpret the Bible to get out of it what we can. We're told to study it to get out of it OUR OWN BELIEFS. Anytime someone puts out an idea about what the meaning behind, say, the parables Jesus taught, it's someone doing just that (for any religion or NON religion, for that matter). You interpret it as men putting their ideas down on paper. *shrugs* Okay. Other people see it as divinely inspired works. We deal with you, you deal with us. |
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Much like I'm sure there's lots of people, probably many much more educated than yourself, that feel the exact same way about you for not believing in a God. Going "HAHA UR WRONG" to someone won't ever work. Saying "I believe this thing" might actually have them look at what you say with any sort of real introspection on their own beliefs. Try it sometime if you really want people to accept your own views. |
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Umm, was that Reaper thing addressed to me? I haven't said anything in this post. I talked about the Bible undergoing changes in a post about evolution awhile back though. The King James Bible is a known, documented revision of the bible. I didn't say that the church randomly changes the bible ever, did I?
I don't know about too many religions besides Christianity, but do Buddhists have scripture? I haven't heard of any if they exist. Of what religion dictates, I'm sure there's a passage where Jesus is supposed to tell one of his apostles something like "Whatever you release on earth, you will release in heaven" and I guess I've always taken that to be that what is decided as moral by people is what will be decided as moral in heaven. Not sure if that interpretation was from my own head or from a priest. Also, there's the passage where Jesus says that there're only 2 commandments, that you love God and love your neighbour as you love yourself. (A literal interpretation I suppose would mean that people who go awol and kill people because they hate themselves aren't sinning then :-p) I'm not convinced of the choice to become homosexual. I'm more convinced right now that people are born that way, but really, I'm unsure. The only thing I know is that I'm not and never have been attracted to women (err, I'm a woman), but if I were in a situation where one were to be doing sexual things to me, I'm sure I would physically respond. Doesn't mean I'm bisexual though. I mean, a guy can be forced to rape someone. Faith to me was a feeling. When I lost the feeling, I lost my faith, but that's another story. But for some reason, I didn't make an issue about the church not accepting things like homosexuality. I thought/think that it was/is perfectly alright to be homosexual, and I think I thought the church was wrong, but I just thought of that as inacceptance of some people. Again, I based my faith in my feelings, not in the church. |
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This is a classic example of 'betr go post it on ffr' If you're questioning your faith, either talk to a priest / minister or drop the religion. It's really that simple. Nobody on this website is a priest. I doubt anyone here has even read any 'holy book' in its entirety (hey, I read FSMism all the way through.. does that count?). And what's with all the religion threads anyway? I'm surprised religion still exists these days with all the children questioning faith on websites based on a flash game emulation of a dancing game with arrows. |
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That said, I always hated this idea. It basically says "whatever the church says has power over God" which to be blunt, doesn't make any sense. God supposed to be all powerful and yet he is to be controlled by a church? Quote:
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Damn you Dogma! I thought I was original.
No one said it was referring to the church. It could be referring to society. Well, when my faith went away, ALL my emotions became ****ed up. My faith was pretty constant before then. I'm far too much of a pragmatist to nurture my faith back to myself now though. |
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Sure, there are old religious texts that aren't in the Bible, but they're not there for a conscious and legitimate reason. Namely, because they don't belong there. Just because a text is old and religious doesn't necessarily mean it belongs in the Bible. Ever look into why, say, Jasher's book wasn't included? How do you even know that those texts were available to be considered Biblical material? And then, now that we've had fifty years to mull over them and study them, why hasn't anyone put any of the texts into their Bible? The apocryphal books were good enough to be in the Catholic Bible, but nobody seems to think the Dead Sea Scrolls should make it. Quote:
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--Guido http://andy.mikee385.com |
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