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Ok this is a really perplexing thing to me. I masturbate on a cycle of about once every 6-7 days. This is normal but I've heard that in the Bible it is a sin. Now I've heard all of the "If it feels right, don't let anyone stop you," routine, but I would like an actual quote from the bible saying it's a sin. All I know is that in the Old Testament it said that when a man spilled the "seed," he was considered unclean until the evening in which he could clean himself. The same alos goes for a woman's period as well. I know I'm not the only one who masturbates, so a logical, and mature answer would be valued. Also,
http://www.ldolphin.org/Mast.shtml This site pretty much breaks down everything about Masturbation and Christianity. Basically, it says that since God made our genitals for sex and NOT for masturbation, it could be considered a sin. Excuse me now, I'm about to go masturbate. |
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What about a nocturnal emission?
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LOL. You masterbate once every 6-7 days. I masterbate 6-7 times a day.
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I would like to remind you all that this is Critical Thinking and that comments like above are not tolerated.
Stay on topic. Don't be immature. Answer his question. Back to discussing the religious aspects of this matter. ~Squeek |
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My bad, I had to be stupid at the wrong place at the wrong time. Religious beliefs say that is lust. Nocturnal emissions I believe is only a mental, uncontrollable action that happens while you are asleep. I really don't think that is a sin.
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If that was the case there would be no one in heaven.
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Except those who don't masturbate.
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After you are around 85 and have no more drive, you can start going to church and start going back into god and jesus and cleanse your sins. These days and ages, this is where god would have to lower its standards to know why we do these things. IT would have to look beyond petty sins like masturbation and robing somebody for a penny.
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Wow, this proves my theory that threads involving the words sex, masturbate, etc. attract more attention then normal threads. To answer the topic though, I believe no direct verses are anti-masturbation, but go ahead and check for yourself.
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I do it about once every one or two days. I'm pretty much athiest so I don't believe the bible, but if you do, then I'd say you can follow it and not masturbate or not follow it and wank freely.
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See, the thing a lot of people don't realize about how the bible works is that it has two different parts. The point of having these two parts is to show pre and post Jesus rules about life.
The rules changed when Jesus came. There are a whole bunch of contradictions between the new and old testaments but that's the point. Take for example the eye for an eye thing. In the old testament, it was encouraged to seek revenge against those who wronged you. Enter: Jesus. He tought that you should love your enemies. This can probably be applied to a lot of contraversial things that the bible has a point of view on. Find your quote and find which part of the bible it came from. Chances are you will be able to find something in the new testament that contradicts it. |
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You can look at masturbation as one of the many ways that people admit that they're not perfect, since people do it primarily to avoid one of two things:
1. Going crazy 2. Raping somebody Neither of which would happen to a theoretically perfect celibate or married Christian. The other issue going on here is that this thread began with the underlying assumption that anything the Bible says needs to be followed because it's the word of God. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/006...lance&n=283155 |
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Ok, seriously, stop hijacking this thread. This is not the garbage bin. This is not chit chat. Someone says something sex-related and all the kiddies have to post lol i do it more den u rofl im betr
I don't want to have to lock this. It's a serious thread that should warrant serious replies. Any further replies in this thread that do not answer or attempt to answer the original question ("Does the bible say it's wrong") will result in a forum warning or a ban. Do not reply to this post. ~Squeek |
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Um Squeek you have 6,660 posts. O_o
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http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...ontext=chapter
Genesis 38. Chapters 8, 9, 10. 8: Then Judah said to Onan, "Lie with your brother's wife and fulfill your duty to her as a brother-in-law to produce offspring for your brother." 9: But Onan knew that the offspring would not be his; so whenever he lay with his brother's wife, he spilled his semen on the ground to keep from producing offspring for his brother. 10: What he did was wicked in the LORD's sight; so he put him to death also. The main part of the passage being, 'What he did was wicked in the Lord's sight'. I haven't found anything to say that if it was because he was supposed to impregnate the woman or because it wasn't that he was wicked, or because he simply masturbated. The bible is full of much controversy. The same passage can be interpretted many ways by many people. So, I have no idea what the true meaning is. |
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I'm pretty sure the problem here is not that he masturbated--he was "laying with his brother's wife" which to me translates as having sex with her--but that he did not impregnate her. Masturbation is a single-person ordeal (let's leave mutual masturbation out of it for now) and what he was doing is technically called "pulling out." I am actually amazed that Onan's brother's wife DIDN'T get pregnant, because it's a terrible method of birth control. That being said, I don't think the Bible should be anyone's guide as to the question of masturbation. If you enjoy it, do it. If you don't, don't. We've all seen what happens when people don't masturbate/have sex/get SOME kind of sexual fulfillment: They usually end up raping/molesting/otherwise harming someone ELSE to get their own jollies. I don't approve of that. |
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I've always read Onan's sin to be against pulling out (and, thus, contraception) rather than masturbation, but that's just me.
Also, whorli, I'm pretty sure that since Onan's brother was dead that he had every legal right to his wife. --Guido http://andy.mikee385.com |
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Man, now this thread's got me all thinking if those Monks that live in the mountains (you know, the ones that are all pure and have no worldly possessions) masturbate.
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You might want to clarify (Chromer) whether or not you want this discussion to be directed towards a biblical one or not. From the Bible's stand point maybe it is a sin (idk, I'm not very educated on the subject). What's so perplexing about that?
I could use the simple 'I think Bible is bs' argument, in which case it isn't a sin. It depends on how empirically we're taking the discussion. I'm not trying to come off as rude or anything- I'm just unsure as what there is (or needs be) to actually discuss. The whole issue to me seems pretty subjective. |
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Uh, back onto topic.
Christians, and Christianity stress repent and be saved, this attaches itself to all sins. Masturbation has only been frowned upon by over-zealous christians, spreading the lies like, "Masturbating makes your palms hairy," more than likely not as an honest superstition, or that god doesn't like it, but that if they masturbate, the person spreading said rumor doesn't want to know about it. The bible creates things that are shameful, but not neccesarily a sin- alla. Eve's awareness of her nudity. God doesn't punish her for being nude, but the apples of knowledge that he put there created such a standard. I'm not a particularly christian person, (largely because as a teen, I don't feel I have the time to apply much more of christianity to my life than it's morals, and will save the praising, and spirituality thing when I have a job, and more to be thankful for than my parent's hard work.) but I'm knowledgable of it due to discussions with my parents, and having gone to church for the first 10 years of my life. |
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Anywho religions never did us any good has it? Religion causes wars and nothing better, take Jesus for example...did he live hapily ever after? No....he died, and no he did not ressurect himself cuz ther is no proof...o wait....a book... its kinda silly cuz say thousands of years later....the newer generation would discover a harry potter book, they might start to believe all the stuff they read in it. Well I Just think Jesus wanted to change the way society ran, and im pretty sure he didnt want us all to worship him or god in any aspect. But back on topic, seriously its your decision. |
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Though it is I am sure, a highly insightful topic .. and definitely requires the full range of critical thinking for some. We think this is best suited in the Garbage Bin.
Moved .. and enjoy |
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Religion in the garbage bin.
gj Jason. |
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I agree.
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So you took a perfectly good thread that was garnering some pretty interesting responses in Critical Thinking, and decided to move it to the Garbage Bin where people will have license to tear the whole discussion apart with random jokes about masturbation.
Wonderful. |
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owai --Guido http://andy.mikee385.com |
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Yes, wars and other atrocities have been committed in the name of religion, but it's no different than, say, government. And dare I say that both religion and government have just as many redeeming qualities as they do faults? |
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The first page was somewhat off-topic. The second is a thoughtful and interesting discussion, albeit a bit random in places.
In response to Whorli: Ah. I guess I read and interpretted the passage wrong then. (Thought it dealt with not laying with the wife and masturbating in private. I see the word 'laying' now.) However, I do have another side argument. If I remember right, from when I used to go to church, God forbade(?) unpure thoughts. Such as being with a woman, and imagining another woman. Meaning it would be a sin to have images of another woman in your head while masturbating. If you were not married, then it may be considered a sin to have any image of a woman in your head while masturbating. But I'm not familiar with that much of the bible to know about adultery being extended to masturbation. |
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hey guido, mother theresa started a charity, and was funded by extened volunteer workers and such.... money helped those thousands of people....not religion and beliefs.
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However, what if you masturbate and have no thoughts of women while you do it? Technically, you're not comitting adultery or lust.
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...You kind of have to be married or be doing a married person to commit adultery.
Regardless, though, how often do you masturbate and not once think of a sexual situation or a person with whom you would enjoy being in a sexual situation? I'd wager never. And I'd win, which is why masturbation and lust (which, Telvanni, is one of the seven deadly sins) are quite intimately connected. @Froston: Oh, come on, like nothing she did was based on religion. Like she was never a missionary. Like religion wasn't a prime cause of her doing what she did. Please. And on top of that, she's only a drop in the bucket of evidence that religion helps people. To systematically disparage all religion as bad is nothing but dishonest. --Guido http://andy.mikee385.com |
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That passage doesn't even hint to masturbation.
And it is in Genesis. If people actually don't masturbate because of that then they are complete tools. |
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Well, the only thing that Onan seemed to do wrong was spill his seed on the ground. That's exactly what you're doing when you masturbate, so I don't see how you're failing to note a correlation.
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I think the fact that he was doing purposely not to get her pregnant is a much more likely reason why it's bad.
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Hey, like I said in my post, I feel that way, too, but I can see where anti-masturbation people are coming from.
--Guido http://andy.mikee385.com |
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I don't masturbate just to be on the safe side
plus I have better things to do rofl |
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I think this is a rational discussion, so I moved the topic again, and renamed so it won't draw in people from the front page who never post in Critical Thinking. Like JasonKey.
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Followed through with Equs's article.
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Technically the Bible describes adultry as anything from sex outside of marriage to "lusting" after someone.
So, what are you thinking about while you masturbate. If it's sex with someone, your sinning. PS. Another Christian control technique |
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Evil Hobo's sig has made my day. On topic, at the end of the day its written down in the bible that its a sin. Thats all you need to know really. You can't change that fact. Hell everybodys a sinner really.
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If it were really that easy, it wouldn't be so heatily debated. ~Squeek |
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Yea I understand that this is a debate. I thought however that rain or shine, in gods eyes masturbation is a sin. I was just adding that, in my opinion masturbation is written down as a sin. So therefor masturbation is a sin and you can't change that fact. I personally don't agree with this but opinions wont change facts.
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I'm pretty sure the passage quoted earlier is the only place from which a more-or-less explicit denunciation of it comes.
Of course, since masturbation is obviously tied to lust, there's that problem which is mentioned more than once, but nothing explicitly against it, from what I recall. --Guido http://andy.mikee385.com |
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The world is full of sex now. If we were punished for sinning in this conduct, then this entire planet would go to hell. If there is a way that we all could go to heaven, god would have to lower its standards and keep it there because sex will only get worse.
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Eh, I try. This is sad, but I am non-denomination. I gota have a religious belief or there is no point of living at morale standards.
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Damn there is no superior being watching over me, I no longer have any meaning and life is a waste of time *cut* :( |
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and last time I checked you didn't need religion to be a moral person. |
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Does it really take the reward of eternal heaven and the threat of eternal hell to motivate you to live up to a decent set of standards? It really isn't that hard to realize that being moral is about doing things that help humanity. You can help humanity by giving to your community. You can help humanity by not going to your school with a gun and shooting everybody. Morality is whatever helps instead of hurts. The idea that the only thing that can motivate people to be moral is a reward or a punishment is cynical. Virtue really is, and should be, its own reward. |
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Eh, I guess your right.
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Life happens. People get wrapped up in their lives and things become more important than doing good for the whole. We orget to be nice. We are owned by what we own/ feel entitled too. We need something to jerk us out of this space a.k.a. Religion. Yes, I mean actually participating in your religion, going to church every Sunday does nothing if you don't invest some sort of energy in it. This will probably be my only post in CT. Pardon the Interruption and Goodbye. |
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I tend to have two issues with it, though: 1) Religion causes an awful lot of conflict when people take it too seriously. 2) I always found the concept of using religion to get people to behave better a little manipulative. |
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There's still that unclosed issue about Onan...
You guys are about half right. I don't know if the reason of Onan's sin was identified, but his sin was at Deuteronomy 25:5-9. It was called Levirate marriage I think and he failed to perform that act after the death of his brother. So I don't know if "pulling out," as it's been said, was the sin itself, just the fact that he didn't obey this command from God's Law. |
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Also since I like to post different ideas in different posts. There's been talk of Bible text that says masturbation is wrong. Really it isn't mentioned directly at all in the Bible as a sin. (Meaning it doesn't say, "Thou masturbate and sin.")
But there is a principle that some have touched which is Matthew 5:27,28 (part of Jesus' Sermon on the Mount) Which basically says if you idolize women then that's committing adultery in your heart. Other principles that you can look at are Colossians 3:5 which tells you to deaden your sexual appetite. (Meaning things outside of marriage sex for the most part without getting into every detail) And the reason you want it deadened is found in Romans 1:26,27 where it talks about these sexual appetites leading to homosexual relations. (Which IS condemned in the Bible at 1 Corinthians 6:9,10) So you take the Bible as you want but that's what you're looking at as far as any bibical proof that masturbation is bad. (Notice: bad =/= sin, just that it makes you more prone to doing something that is a serious sin) |
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But if you see it that way I guess that's fine but that's not what I read from it. |
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