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JKPolk 06-4-2006 01:51 PM

5D Rubik's Cube
 
homepage:http://www.gravitation3d.com/magiccube5d/

the installer is on there

apparently 3 people so far have solved this
i get a headache when even opening up the program

Omeganitros 06-4-2006 01:55 PM

Re: 5D Rubik's Cube
 
WOAH. The 4-d cube was hard enough...

FFR4EVA_00 06-4-2006 01:55 PM

Re: 5D Rubik's Cube
 
I get a headache just by looking at the preview picture.

Triplex72 06-4-2006 02:30 PM

Re: 5D Rubik's Cube
 
It requires .NET Framework which i dont have, whatever that is.

Kilgamayan 06-4-2006 02:44 PM

Re: 5D Rubik's Cube
 
"Where do I put the pieces?"

"DON'T YOU MEAN 'WHEN'?"

Snowcrafta 06-4-2006 03:26 PM

Re: 5D Rubik's Cube
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Kilgamayan
"Where do I put the pieces?"

"DON'T YOU MEAN 'WHEN'?"

rofl, best post here yet.

Patashu 06-4-2006 05:07 PM

Re: 5D Rubik's Cube
 
OMGWTFBBQ.

*brain melts*

chuandyou 06-4-2006 07:47 PM

Re: 5D Rubik's Cube
 
Warning: may cause cancer of the cerebral cortex.

blargherness 06-4-2006 07:52 PM

Re: 5D Rubik's Cube
 
I think I pissed myself. In another dimension. Looking at the 4-D one gave me a headache, trying to move the pieces gave me a bigger headache. 5-D gave me a large headache. I'm scared to move around the pieces.

trillobyite 06-4-2006 08:47 PM

Re: 5D Rubik's Cube
 
None of these models represent the fourth or fifth dimension. Imagine if you lived in a world where everything was flat, with no 3 dimensional objects. If someone tried to tell you that there were objects in existence that had a depth to them, you would not understand what he means. Similarly, we as humans cannot comprehend the fourth dimension (and Einstein theorizes it might be time). Thus I declare this website, its supporters, and all affiliates to be frauds, and their license to create such pages and spread misinformation should be revoked immediately.

mead1 06-4-2006 08:49 PM

Re: 5D Rubik's Cube
 
Every post after kilga's barring my own has lessened the funny of this thread.

This is really amazing. 6d gogogogogogo

JKPolk 06-4-2006 08:52 PM

Re: 5D Rubik's Cube
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by trillobyite
Blah blah blah words words words

Did you download it? Did you play with it? You make something better, I think this is one of the best 2D representations of 5D I've ever seen. It lets the user manipulate it, giving a greater understanding of how the dimensions work. This is a really really neat program even if you don't give a rat's ass about Rubik's cubes.

trillobyite 06-4-2006 08:58 PM

Re: 5D Rubik's Cube
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JKPolk
Did you download it? Did you play with it? You make something better, I think this is one of the best 2D representations of 5D I've ever seen. It lets the user manipulate it, giving a greater understanding of how the dimensions work. This is a really really neat program even if you don't give a rat's ass about Rubik's cubes.

One cannot "respresent" a five dimensional object my humble acquaintance. I just explained this, if all that existed on Earth were paper, just flat paper, we could not comprehend the concept of a crumbled paper ball, because it involves a separate plane. Thus we cannot comprehend the transformation of a three dimensional rubrics cube into 5 dimensions. Even if you draw lines inside an object and declare it to be the fourth in the pattern of "x(length), y(width), z(depth), w(incomprehensible 4-d phenomenon)," the "w" is still located within the same PLANE as the rest of the lines and thus is not able to be represented 2 or 3 dimensionally.

Imagine if I told you to create a color. No human individual can create a color that he or she has not seen before. A new color cannot be represented by known colors either.

JKPolk 06-4-2006 09:05 PM

Re: 5D Rubik's Cube
 
Just because they can't be represented right now doesn't mean they don't exist. People can't see UV rays, but we've found ways to represent them using other sensors. Just because you can't see the 5th dimension doesn't mean it can't be represented.

trillobyite 06-4-2006 09:23 PM

Re: 5D Rubik's Cube
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JKPolk
Just because they can't be represented right now doesn't mean they don't exist. People can't see UV rays, but we've found ways to represent them using other sensors. Just because you can't see the 5th dimension doesn't mean it can't be represented.

Hold on there I'm not questioning its existence. In fact, there are probably a dozen or more (or a bit less) dimensions. UV rays can be detected not by sight but by other factors present in this reality. Dimensions are not objects or waves of particles like UV rays that can simply be "detected," it is in itself a whole different plane of reality. I really do not believe a dimension outside the first three can be represented by anything human-created, and the site on this thread is human-created. Anyway I just came to hijack the thread not because I really care about this stuff.

chickendude 06-4-2006 10:03 PM

Re: 5D Rubik's Cube
 
JKPolk is right, but UV rays are a bad example

extra dimensions can't be directly visualized, but they can be represented in less dimensions with distortion

for example: on a flat piece of paper, if you draw a hexagon with some lines through it, it looks like a cube.

A 4D/5D Rubik's cube is a mathematical possibility. Although one cannot be physically constructed, a model of one can (and has been) created on the computer as you can see.

trillobyite 06-4-2006 10:11 PM

Re: 5D Rubik's Cube
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by chickendude
JKPolk is right, but UV rays are a bad example

extra dimensions can't be directly visualized, but they can be represented in less dimensions with distortion

for example: on a flat piece of paper, if you draw a hexagon with some lines through it, it looks like a cube.

A 4D/5D Rubik's cube is a mathematical possibility. Although one cannot be physically constructed, a model of one can (and has been) created on the computer as you can see.

To a person living in a flat world, however, that hexagon would not appear to have depth. I don't know, maybe you're right, but I just don't trust a computer to devise something that so many theories battle over. I mean, some say the 4th dimension is not even a component of space (thats why space is referred to as space-time continuum usually).

MonkeyFoo 06-4-2006 11:15 PM

Re: 5D Rubik's Cube
 
But it doesn't matter that people battle over how many dimensions there are, or what each one is, or especially what order they go in. This is becase the program is representing fully five spatial dimensions in calculation, though it only represents them in two.

T0rajir0u 06-4-2006 11:20 PM

Re: 5D Rubik's Cube
 
Pretty much everyone here is confusing extra dimensions in physics with extra dimensions in geometry.

Stop it. Now.

Extra spatial dimensions are very easy to describe mathematically. All you have to do is assign an extra coordinate to every "point" you talk about. In physics, using the "time" coordinate as another dimension gives what most people refer to as "the fourth dimension," which is a misleading characterization. In mathematics, four spatial dimensions is just an extension of the leap from two dimensions to three dimensions, and it has nothing to do with time. You have "a fourth spatial dimension" that just tacks on an extra coordinate to each point, and you can also have "a fifth spatial dimension," ad infinitum.

High-dimensional geometry is completely coherent mathematically, nobody argues about it, and a computer is entirely capable of doing it. (In fact, high-dimensional geometers will tell you it's actually easier to deal with than low-dimensional geometry, since there are so many more constraints on possible shapes). And it has nothing to do with physics or with time.



There isn't an easy way to represent a 5D object in a 3D universe. You all know about ways to represent a 3D object in a 2D universe (your computer screen, pieces of paper, etc.), though. Those are projections of higher-dimensional objects into lower dimensions. Shadows, as it were.

It wouldn't be very easy to come up with the 3D-shadow of a 5D object, much less a 2D-shadow. The representation is likely to be extremely confusing, since it would be the shadow of a shadow of a shadow.



Edit: To say that "humans cannot comprehend the fourth dimension" is to have an extremely arrogant idea of what the rest of humanity can and cannot do. It's true that the human mind can't visualize four-dimensional space.

But since when have you needed to visualize something to be able to do calculations about it?

flamingspinach 06-5-2006 02:08 AM

Re: 5D Rubik's Cube
 
Sure you can visualize 4-dimensional space. Think of a point intensity field. 8) But yeah, trillobyite, you obviously don't seem to realize that 3D stuff on computer screens is (OMG) a projection of a 3D object ont a 2D screen. In the same way you can project a 5D object onto a 3D model which is then projected onto a 2D screen. T0rajir0u, might want to fix your double post :)


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