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Re: A question about gays/lesbians
Umm just posting my thoughts on this...
I think that the factors for being gay are hormonal and environmentally influenced. Now I know that the genes eventually control how much of what hormones you got going on in the blood, but you never know if the parents smoking or something affected that in the long run. Please do not flame me on this post as I do not hate any gay peoples untill they decide to make me uncomfortable by staring or something. Slight genetic differences can change a lot of things... I personally think it's more upbringing and environmental, as is with most things. I'm not saying that it isn't freedom of choice. There are probably a decent pecentage of gay people who do choose it without other factors. And now to answer the topic question. It cannot be just a gene that causes it, seeing as it just hasn't disappeared off the face of the planet, and genetic mutations take hundreds of years to form(as there are no offspring being produced to continue the gene spread. which is also now making me think whoever started this thread has no logic... If it isn't gone and nothing to spread the gene then it cannot be just the "gene" that makes it happen). Overview: Cannot be just gene or it would've just dissappeared already. My standpoint is that a "gene" could help but isn't the main factor edit: forgot to throw into the overview that I AM NOT against gay people. I also have many gay friends and am usually comfortable with them around as long as they respect me and do not make me feel uncomfortable edit2: in the main paragraph somewhere... meh.. more of my opinions. |
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Situational perhaps? As are most things.
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And what of the common homosexual behavior among animals? Do they all have mutant genes as well?
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PS homosexuality is a behavior. |
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O_o Sorry, I didn't realize how many people posted. This is in reponse to jewpin's post. |
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afro there isn't "proof" either way... evidence that supports the environmental stance is also all correlational. It's a logical fallacy to assume that a certain position is incorrect when in reality it only may or may not be correct, especially when the alternative position is in the same state of flux.
Point is that there's evidence to both sides, and if you actually want to make a real argument, you should find some that supports yours instead of just dropping your opinion in a vacuum. |
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Homosexuals can reproduce if they wish. They might not wish to though.
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Before we get too drawn out the original poster needs to learn what the difference between 'Darwinism' and 'Social Darwinism' is.
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Seems like a matter of choice, or something sick and wrong happened to you at childhood, like being raped by someone. Or say you grew up with 2 or 3 sisters that were older than you. Maybe you looked up to them, and wanted to be like them and when they started to like guys, so did you? Just a quick thought. =|
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However, the fact that the other side has no substantial proof as well is enough for me to assume that my side is correct. Why is that? Because my side is the side of logic. Why would sexual preference be genetic? Yes, we should all be ingrained with the survival instinct which would lead us to want to reproduce. However, even this can be beaten (suicide, or people who have no wish to have children), so why wouldn't any naturally innate draw to the opposite sex be just as easily beaten, especially with certain people supporting the switch. That aside, it is shown in many individuals that certain sexual behavior (ie S&M, pedophilia, exhibitionism) all seem to stem from traumatic childhoods or other special instances which result from their upbringing (for example, I heard a long time ago that males who are raised without fathers are more likely to be homosexual than if they had fathers). Why would homosexuality be any different in having it's roots in such things? And by the way Talisman, me posting something which supports my side would serve no purpose. If you won't listen to the logic I post here and say "hmm that sounds right" then why would you believe a wikipedia article stating something like this: Quote:
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Actually the correct stance is "Not enough information." |
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uh, afro, I WOULD listen more to that wiki quote than your logic. Why should I listen to your logic? Am I to assume that you are an expert in the area? Citing a source like that helps your position immensely.
Btw, I'm not trying to take a position here because I don't really know myself, I've heard conflicting evidence. For example, I believe there was a study recently which found that as number of older male siblings increased, a males chances of being homosexual increased by a 33% factor each time. |
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oh and for the sake of debate, the qualifying paragraph you didn't cite:
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Yes, I know it's not really apropriate to simply 'agree' with somebody in CT, but when they've said the thoughts, I see no need to simply reiterate them. I've nothing to add. All I can say is possibility and probability. |
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Ok, I was rereading the book Genome by Matt Ridley and I found some interesting stuff on the "gay gene".
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