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LegendaryDJ 07-7-2005 08:11 PM

What Happens?
 
OK, God creates everything, Satan betrays God, Satan goes in Hell. So what would happen if God destroyed Satan and Hell along with Satan? What would happen to those who were to Hell? Or did God create Hell for those who did not follow God. But Hell is supposed to be evil. God would never create abything evil. So what would happen to the people in Hell if Hell was destroyed?

I made this thread becuase I've been pondering it for the longest time. Do they go poof? or does God have mercy upon the people/demonic creatures in Hell. Maybe I shouldn't of made this thread since there is no actuall fact for us who are alive on Earth still. I don't know, help me out.

Squeek 07-7-2005 08:26 PM

RE: What Happens?
 
What happens if none of the characters in your story exist?

For that reason, we do not discuss religious topics here. Half of the people here are non-religious and the other half are, so when we argue religion, it always results in a flame war.

~Squeek

SUSUGAM 07-7-2005 09:19 PM

FLAME ON!

msbrunnettemickey 07-7-2005 09:53 PM

So many questions...

But no answers.

Tantric 07-8-2005 12:05 AM

That's a good question...

Verruckter 07-8-2005 04:36 AM

One day, thousands of billions of years ago, something incredible, probably the world's biggest coincidence happened: The Big Bang.

Sera13 07-8-2005 03:24 PM

yeah this is a non discussable topic..

LegendaryDJ 07-8-2005 04:40 PM

Crap!!I accidently made another one in Chit Chat....sorry, I'm an idiot :

Moogy 07-8-2005 05:20 PM

Jesus was way cool
Everybody liked Jesus
Everybody wanted to hang out with him
Anything he wanted to do, he did
He turned water into wine
And if he wanted to
He could have turned wheat into marijuana
Or sugar into cocaine
Or vitamin pills into amphetamines
He walked on the water
And swam on the land
He would tell these stories
And people would listen
He was really cool
If you were blind or lame
You just went to Jesus
And he would put his hands on you
And you would be healed
That's so cool
He could've played guitar better than Hendrix
He could've told the future
He could've baked the most delicious cake in the world
He could've scored more goals than Wayne Gretzky
He could've danced better than Barishnikov
Jesus could have been funnier than any comedian you can think of
Jesus was way cool
He told people to eat his body and drink his blood
That's so cool
Jesus was so cool
But then some people got jealous of how cool he was
So they killed him
But then he rose from the dead
He rose from the dead, danced around
Then went up to heaven
I mean, that's so cool
Jesus was way cool
No wonder there are so many Christians

deltro300111 07-8-2005 05:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Moogy
Jesus was way cool
Everybody liked Jesus
Everybody wanted to hang out with him
Anything he wanted to do, he did
He turned water into wine
And if he wanted to
He could have turned wheat into marijuana
Or sugar into cocaine
Or vitamin pills into amphetamines
He walked on the water
And swam on the land
He would tell these stories
And people would listen
He was really cool
If you were blind or lame
You just went to Jesus
And he would put his hands on you
And you would be healed
That's so cool
He could've played guitar better than Hendrix
He could've told the future
He could've baked the most delicious cake in the world
He could've scored more goals than Wayne Gretzky
He could've danced better than Barishnikov
Jesus could have been funnier than any comedian you can think of
Jesus was way cool
He told people to eat his body and drink his blood
That's so cool
Jesus was so cool
But then some people got jealous of how cool he was
So they killed him
But then he rose from the dead
He rose from the dead, danced around
Then went up to heaven
I mean, that's so cool
Jesus was way cool
No wonder there are so many Christians

Too bad your religious following hasn't caught on.

Sera13 07-8-2005 06:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Moogy
Jesus was way cool
Everybody liked Jesus
Everybody wanted to hang out with him
Anything he wanted to do, he did
He turned water into wine
And if he wanted to
He could have turned wheat into marijuana
Or sugar into cocaine
Or vitamin pills into amphetamines
He walked on the water
And swam on the land
He would tell these stories
And people would listen
He was really cool
If you were blind or lame
You just went to Jesus
And he would put his hands on you
And you would be healed
That's so cool
He could've played guitar better than Hendrix
He could've told the future
He could've baked the most delicious cake in the world
He could've scored more goals than Wayne Gretzky
He could've danced better than Barishnikov
Jesus could have been funnier than any comedian you can think of
Jesus was way cool
He told people to eat his body and drink his blood
That's so cool
Jesus was so cool
But then some people got jealous of how cool he was
So they killed him
But then he rose from the dead
He rose from the dead, danced around
Then went up to heaven
I mean, that's so cool
Jesus was way cool
No wonder there are so many Christians

if that wasnt so increadibly long i would have totally sig'd that

evilbutterfly 07-8-2005 08:37 PM

You guys are a disgrace. He's just asking a simple question. If you can't be mature in critical thinking, get out. Now, to answer the question, I gave a nice big post in the chit-chat topic, but here it is again:

Quote:

*busts out the New Testament*

Revalations 20:10-15 (starting with 10 just so you know what the lake of fire is)

"And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfer, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. Earth and sky fled from his presence, and there was no place for them. And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was openeed, which was the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books. The sea gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what he had done. Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death. If anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire."

Note that it was written in past tense because it was all a vision, so it had happened before in this guy's head and he just wrote down what he saw happen. Basically, after Satan has his fun on Earth, God comes back and banishes him to a lake of fire, where he will be tortured relentlessly for all eternity. Also, once God comes back, everybody's souls will come back from wherever they were (whether they were alive still or dead and in Hell already) and they will be judged. This judgement is the final one, and all those who are not worthy get sent to the lake of fire for all eternity.
Just in case you didn't see it in the other topic. Does that answer your question?

Sera13 07-8-2005 09:06 PM

that really isnt somthing i could answer simply becuase it doesnt follow my beliefs, therefor the only statement i made was "this is undiscussable."

Austaph 07-8-2005 09:42 PM

Uh...
 
You have some valid inquiries, and you're not the first person to ponder things like this. If this is something that really interests you then you might want to check into Thomas Aquinas.

If you've read Genesis, it says nothing of Hell or Satan. However, God does create Earth and Man. If God forced Man to obey God, then Man would not have free will and therefore be less like God in-His-own-image. Man is incapable of causing evil willfully. When Man causes evil, he really believes that he is doing good for himself or for some other purpose. That takes care of the bad-people-go-to-Hell thing.

Here comes the thinking part. God did not create evil. God created out of goodness, therefore evil is a lack of goodness. Darkness is lack of light, and before you say "but wait, Austaph... light is lack of darkness" consider that light, not darkness, has a cause, posesses mass, and can be measured. I thought I had more to say, but that about covers your question.

And if you're all so above religion, why haven't you mastered it yet? "God doesn't exist," "I don't believe what you say," and "religion is crap" don't really fall under the critical thinking category. These things are older than you are - acknowledge them.

Sera13 07-8-2005 10:18 PM

Re: Uh...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Austaph

And if you're all so above religion, why haven't you mastered it yet? "God doesn't exist," "I don't believe what you say," and "religion is crap" don't really fall under the critical thinking category. These things are older than you are - acknowledge them.

For your information, not only did i say nothing of the sort, i also have read the bible more than once, all the way through, i used to attend church on a regular basis also, i have also studied many pagan beliefs, Satanic Beliefs, And many other religions as well such as buddism. I do not however have beliefs that fall under anyone of these catagories and never once said anything like "i dont believe in god" becuase i very much do believe in some sort of a god. Thank you.

jcj64200031 07-8-2005 10:23 PM

From The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy:

Quote:

"I refuse to prove that I exist," says God, "for proof denies faith, and without faith I am nothing."

"But," says Man, "the Babel fish is a dead giveaway, isn't it? It could not have evolved by chance. It proves you exist, and so therefore, by your own arguments, you don't. QED."

"Oh dear," says God, "I hadn't thought of that," and promptly vanishes in a puff of logic.

"Oh, that was easy," says Man, and for an encore goes on to prove that black is white and gets himself killed at the next zebra crossing.

Moogy 07-8-2005 10:54 PM

ps

knock knock

who's there

it's jesus LOL

Austaph 07-8-2005 11:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sera13
For your information, not only did i say nothing of the sort, i also have read the bible more than once

Then why are you getting so defensive? I wasn't referring to you, and it sounds like you're simultaneously agreeing and disagreeing with what I said.

Sera13 07-8-2005 11:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Austaph
Quote:

Originally Posted by Sera13
For your information, not only did i say nothing of the sort, i also have read the bible more than once

Then why are you getting so defensive? I wasn't referring to you, and it sounds like you're simultaneously agreeing and disagreeing with what I said.

yeah, im a defensive person, im sorry i must appologize, however you are correct i do agree and disagree with you but thats only simply becuase my train of beliefs are very..out there.

msbrunnettemickey 07-9-2005 12:16 AM

Just for a quick start..

I am Jewish, and i have studied this for a long time.
Read the old testament, also had 4 amazing years, in an amazing school in Israel, just to study about Science, the Jewish religion, and language.

This is what i got from science,
God created the Earth, created the galaxy, but the big question on my mind right now, did God create hell? Or am i missing something?

If God did, then he can destroy it.

What i got from the Old Testament,
People who:
Don't respect their parents
Are jealous of things others have
Suicide
Kill
Cheat on a wife
Steal
And probably more.. might end up in hell.

Why am i typing this up? This might lead into a good answer.

Now, what would happen if God destroys Hell...

WHO KNOWS!?

Lots of things can happen,
1. All souls that were sent there, would vanish.
2. Souls might climb to Heaven (Har har)
3. There would be no place for "bad" souls to go to.
4. There is going to be... a big problem.. CHAOS.


The next generations (souls), who were suppose to enter the Earth yet again, would not be able to.


There was once a scientist, with blonde hair, and green eyes.
She always talked about the Devil.
And this is where came logic,

At night
I could feel the hunger
and emptiness
darkness
of the five o'clock shadow
over those blue eyes.
The great painting sitting on the wall,
gives a great chill of the dark
spots
in the closet and thinking about the evil spirit
next to the window
as it transforms into an angel.
Why do they bring bad dreams on my
brown hair?
In the great mind that no one found yet.
I am the scientist of tomorrow.
Blond hair, green eyes
singing goodbye to her children a
century before.
Why does she insist on talking about
the devil?
That is he who brought us bad.
Keeps the bad.
Else we should discuss about God,
creature of all Earth sea.
Numbers, wind,
and water
adds up the upcoming future.
The galaxy unknown!
made for only those who could explore!
Wishing there was a way to move and make a
difference.
So those who revolve around us wouldn't pick out
their stuff and die, fade out
away from life, away from
Logic.

Candle in the Face of an Angel

He is scared
moving against the angel's
wings
and breathing the air
it's so sweet
he shifts and looks
the whipping people down below
are waiting for him to answer their
prayers
why did he have to go
to this sweet place
and leave his poor family
for the great sadness
of the loss
shattered
they are
he can see they cant hold much longer
perhaps he should write
and send them the great
letter of life
he was scared then
he always was scared
scared of everything
and nothing.
As he gets a hold
on the angels hand
he tries to reach his mothers
great black
hair
his sisters wide smile
and his dads agony and suffer
roaring through his face
a tear, and another
he cant hold much longer
this place is his new soul's life
get used to it
he must
trying to chase his poor lost family,
trying to run in front of them
to make them see him.
Nothing
he stepped on the cold milk
that spilled in the morning
nothing
he doesn't realize how much fear
motivates him
he wonders if
anyone realizes

It's probably weird, but it helps to open up your mind.

This was fun =)


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