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PhantomPuppy 08-17-2020 01:28 PM

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honestly the D7 file sounds like it's missing herbie samples

Viisbyxa 08-17-2020 04:11 PM

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Wouldn't it be better for D3's final file not to use a lot of the same patterns and rhythms as the previous round? I don't have a horse in this at all but it seems prone to bias.

mi40 08-17-2020 06:16 PM

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very nice venetian snares going on here, you have rekindled my flame for aaron funk, the master of scary spooky sounds seeping silently through the woods

badman7772 08-17-2020 07:10 PM

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this sounds about right


mi40 08-17-2020 08:12 PM

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how can you hate this man and his music


SubaruPoptart 08-17-2020 08:50 PM

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I have to agree with mi40, the cat makes pretty good music

badman7772 08-17-2020 09:04 PM

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apologies for failing to explain that it's not the music itself that i was referring to. matter of fact VS has amazing music. a lot of it is in my phone when i blast it while i drive.

SubaruPoptart 08-18-2020 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Viisbyxa (Post 4740551)
I don't have a horse in this at all but it seems prone to bias.

I just got the pun here whether it be intentional or not

danredge 08-18-2020 11:19 AM

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Round 7 D3 Song must be a 72/73 0_0 i don't have enough stamina to do that last 17 nps stream.... Good Job to all the D3 they are doing good.

VisD 08-18-2020 11:41 PM

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Hey D2, hope you enjoy your finals file :). yall have really gone ham throughout the tourney so hopefully you'll find the last file somewhat fun/interesting as a reward for all that grinding. And if not, hey, at least the song's pretty neat. good luck!


(PS - don't be fooled by the preview, the patterns are a little tenser to play than they look!)

Bach96 08-18-2020 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by VisD (Post 4740687)
Hey D2, hope you enjoy your finals file :). yall have really gone ham throughout the tourney so hopefully you'll find the last file somewhat fun/interesting as a reward for all that grinding. And if not, hey, at least the song's pretty neat. good luck!


(PS - don't be fooled by the preview, the patterns are a little tenser to play than they look!)

Its all jumpstreams so either way I am gonna barely be able to play it lol. No matter what I am screwed. I like the song and it's probably stepped very well, but I figured the finals file would be more of a technical file :/

Oh well... I guess I am gonna try to randomly get good at jumpstreams in a week... It was a nice run and I am happy with getting top 3!

EDIT: rewatched the preview and I appreciate that there a little jacks thrown in here and there lol
EDIT #2: not trynna bring down the file and say its bad. It's awesome. it just plays into my worst skillset so I kinda just have no chance this round lol.

T-Force 08-19-2020 12:39 AM

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D2's final song is great and the chart is also great. Props VisD!

themastergrant 08-19-2020 12:44 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by VisD (Post 4740687)
Hey D2, hope you enjoy your finals file :). yall have really gone ham throughout the tourney so hopefully you'll find the last file somewhat fun/interesting as a reward for all that grinding. And if not, hey, at least the song's pretty neat. good luck!


(PS - don't be fooled by the preview, the patterns are a little tenser to play than they look!)

Thank You Based VisD

qrrbrbirbel 08-19-2020 01:16 AM

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@Zeldagurlfan1 @OcarinaBoi (D2) @Psycast @Nomstein @The~J~MaXx @Poison- @Zenith @bojii congrats on the ramen get!
Y'all have from now until 1 week after tournament close to get ahold of me here or on discord to get details squared away for your noods

Devilchilly 08-20-2020 03:07 PM

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If I win D7, I will record myself singing Judgment from Yakuza 0.

prepare to get upset, people.

Dynam0 08-21-2020 02:33 PM

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Seems awful quiet in here for the finals. Almost...too quiet *shifty eyes*

WirryWoo 08-21-2020 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Dynam0 (Post 4740832)
Seems awful quiet in here for the finals. Almost...too quiet *shifty eyes*

It's probably because we know who are the clear winners for most divisions lol. D7 seems to be the closest competition right now.

I am really hoping that there will be some last minute underdog performances. It will spice the story up well haha.

SubaruPoptart 08-21-2020 07:04 PM

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Tiebreaker in the finals pls? ;)

kadef 08-21-2020 09:11 PM

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Anyone else unable to load Benson and Hedges? :(

Edit: Never mind, I refreshed and it's fine!

danredge 08-24-2020 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by danredge (Post 4740622)
Round 7 D3 Song must be a 72/73 0_0 i don't have enough stamina to do that last 17 nps stream.... Good Job to all the D3 they are doing good.

D3 Round 7 "Circle Pit" is a 82 0_0 That's why ;).

benny58624 08-24-2020 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by danredge (Post 4741025)
D3 Round 7 "Circle Pit" is a 82 0_0 That's why ;).

And D4 round 7 "E-Lectixilent" is a 79, weird D3 had a more difficult file than D4 in the same round.

Dynam0 08-24-2020 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by benny58624 (Post 4741026)
And D4 round 7 "E-Lectixilent" is a 79, weird D3 had a more difficult file than D4 in the same round.

Not weird, it was a poor choice. If anything Benson and Hedges is easier and they should have used Circle Pit for D3's final. Either way there were so many cookie cutter breakcore 32nd roll charts I felt bad for the intermediate divisions.

Idk if it was the way files were judged this time around or if there was just a lack of submissions but this tourney had the worst charts on average out of any OT's I played (maybe excluding the 1st OT lol).

danredge 08-24-2020 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Dynam0 (Post 4741027)
Not weird, it was a poor choice. If anything Benson and Hedges is easier and they should have used Circle Pit for D3's final. Either way there were so many cookie cutter breakcore 32nd roll charts I felt bad for the intermediate divisions.

Idk if it was the way files were judged this time around or if there was just a lack of submissions but this tourney had the worst charts on average out of any OT's I played (maybe excluding the 1st OT lol).

I got eliminated from both tournament and revenge by 32nd roll charts XD. But in my opinion the D3/D4 Songs of this tournament were really fun to play n_n. I feel like D7/D8 all look the same(Glich/Speed/Grind/Break-Core) because the Charts for that difficulty need to be really complex.

WirryWoo 08-24-2020 04:37 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Dynam0 (Post 4741027)
Idk if it was the way files were judged this time around or if there was just a lack of submissions but this tourney had the worst charts on average out of any OT's I played (maybe excluding the 1st OT lol).

I can't say the worst charts for all OT's since I can't remember any of them (only involved in 5th and 6th lol) but I agree with your sentiment about how the charts in general were not very enjoyable this OT. There was a good handful of high quality charts that were both stepped accurately and were very fun to play, so I greatly appreciate that.

mi40 08-24-2020 07:07 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Dynam0 (Post 4741027)
Not weird, it was a poor choice. If anything Benson and Hedges is easier and they should have used Circle Pit for D3's final. Either way there were so many cookie cutter breakcore 32nd roll charts I felt bad for the intermediate divisions.

Idk if it was the way files were judged this time around or if there was just a lack of submissions but this tourney had the worst charts on average out of any OT's I played (maybe excluding the 1st OT lol).

what official do you think had the best files? i was only around for the 5th and the 9th and even then have no recollection of what files were used (so therefore i have no opinion)

bmah 08-24-2020 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by mi40 (Post 4741039)
what official do you think had the best files? i was only around for the 5th and the 9th and even then have no recollection of what files were used (so therefore i have no opinion)

You can check the details for each tournament here: https://ffr.fandom.com/wiki/5th_Official_FFR_Tournament

One exception though is the 5th official. For some reason, information on that tournament is largely missing. Maybe someone can fill it in?

mi40 08-24-2020 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by bmah (Post 4741041)
You can check the details for each tournament here: https://ffr.fandom.com/wiki/5th_Official_FFR_Tournament

One exception though is the 5th official. For some reason, information on that tournament is largely missing. Maybe someone can fill it in?

christ that official is huge, 300 players in d3..
i think that one was the one right before the blackout. it's kind of why i didn't participate in another one until the 9th one i think?

psychoangel691 08-25-2020 07:06 PM

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I was actually really hype for most of the charts this tournament. It's really a shame to see that being said but, I've said it before and I'll say it again if you guys can do a better job please by all means run tournaments. Would be nice for there to be more going on.

Psychotik 08-25-2020 07:13 PM

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I keep saying this: "Be the change you want to see". If people don't like the song selection, they should submit stuff themselves. I liked a lot of the breakcore stuff and most of the songs in general.

Thanks for running the tournament.

themastergrant 08-25-2020 07:39 PM

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I loved a lot in this OT. The songs were great (I can’t play Cherry Doll), the hype and friendly competition was a great impetus to improve and I really appreciate it. Thanks Hbar for being so nice to everybody in D2 early on. Thanks organizers and artists and charters.

Bach96 08-25-2020 08:28 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by psychoangel691 (Post 4741113)
I was actually really hype for most of the charts this tournament. It's really a shame to see that being said but, I've said it before and I'll say it again if you guys can do a better job please by all means run tournaments. Would be nice for there to be more going on.

I understand why he is a little bothered simply because it's the OT. We could all run tourney's until we're collapsing from exhaustion, but the one everyone cares about at the end of the day... is the OT.

It's hard to please everyone and there will unfortunately never be a way to. However, as I'm sure you know having been doing this so long, criticism can often lead to huge improvements. Maybe there could be a discord discussion done after each OT moving forward. Things like file choice and difficulty could be openly debated on and could result in improvements that nobody would have thought of in the past.

Maybe a more open discussion could also lead to ideas that would improve retention rates from tourney to tourney (maybe even getting more people involved). I'd be very interested in seeing what a large group of people from this awesome community would be able to come up with instead of forcing all the workload onto a small group of dedicated admin.

That being said, I personally really enjoyed this tournament. I went from 49 to almost 56. Like half my top 15 are now 13th OT files lol. Most of the songs chosen for D2 were goddamn bops and I am so appreciative of that. I only really didn't like CHERRY DOLL and Oedo Pop (simply the songs themselves not the files). Hopefully next year I can be in D4!

Sanjixcon 08-25-2020 08:32 PM

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First I want to say thank you to all the step artists and other people involved who keep these tournaments going :) ffr would not be as fun without you. However, I do kind of agree with Dynam0 (at least for the D5-D8 files). I can't say anything about the D1-D4 songs since I didn't play them. Not saying all the D5+ stuff was bad because there were some really nice ones mixed in... but the majority felt pretty awkward/unintuitive. Please don't kill me :] it's just my opinion after playing thousands and thousands of files between ffr/etterna.

psychoangel691 08-25-2020 08:45 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Bach96 (Post 4741122)
I understand why he is a little bothered simply because it's the OT. We could all run tourney's until we're collapsing from exhaustion, but the one everyone cares about at the end of the day... is the OT.

It's hard to please everyone and there will unfortunately never be a way to. However, as I'm sure you know having been doing this so long, criticism can often lead to huge improvements. Maybe there could be a discord discussion done after each OT moving forward. Things like file choice and difficulty could be openly debated on and could result in improvements that nobody would have thought of in the past.

Maybe a more open discussion could also lead to ideas that would improve retention rates from tourney to tourney (maybe even getting more people involved). I'd be very interested in seeing what a large group of people from this awesome community would be able to come up with instead of forcing all the workload onto a small group of dedicated admin.

That being said, I personally really enjoyed this tournament. I went from 49 to almost 56. Like half my top 15 are now 13th OT files lol. Most of the songs chosen for D2 were goddamn bops and I am so appreciative of that. I only really didn't like CHERRY DOLL and Oedo Pop (simply the songs themselves not the files). Hopefully next year I can be in D4!

Literally has nothing to do with workload, these are the files submitted to us. don't like em? sub files then to help (I'm saying this as an in general because people always want to complain but then don't actually bother to submit or the like)

(also playing fall guys so haven't had a chance for a full reply)

mi40 08-25-2020 09:12 PM

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okay so!
my favorite files were:

circle pit
we want to run

mi40 08-25-2020 09:15 PM

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also woo credits!! finally i can play the secret section songs :)
and for my skill token of choice for grinding to top 8, i would love strangeprogram v0!

kurisushadow 08-25-2020 10:05 PM

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Oi! To all the negative nancies.....FUCK YOU.
Also thanks for all the hard workers who ARE helping FFR and OT.
With love,
Squidbits.

PS. Some of us were thinking it I just said it out loud. If I'm banned I get it so I'll say I love you all now just in case I can't later. Kis kis


PSS. Yams

badman7772 08-25-2020 10:08 PM

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Favorite Files: Trap Funk and Circle Pit
Favorite Songs: Ventablack and Naive Hopelessness

xXOpkillerXx 08-25-2020 10:19 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by kurisushadow (Post 4741135)
Oi! To all the negative nancies.....FUCK YOU.
Also thanks for all the hard workers who ARE helping FFR and OT.
With love,
Squidbits.

PS. Some of us were thinking it I just said it out loud. If I'm banned I get it so I'll say I love you all now just in case I can't later. Kis kis


PSS. Yams

I believe the criticism has been pretty respectful; kinda weird to tell anyone "fuck you" ngl, though idk who you're targetting exactly.

That being said, I had a fun time even though we (D8) got blasted with stuffcore music beyond belief. All that matters is I beat klimt on more rounds than he did (jkjk you won). Ok bye~

Matthia 08-25-2020 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by badman7772 (Post 4741137)
Favorite Files: Trap Funk and Circle Pit
Favorite Songs: Ventablack and Naive Hopelessness

<3 ;D

psychoangel691 08-25-2020 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by xXOpkillerXx (Post 4741138)
I believe the criticism has been pretty respectful; kinda weird to tell anyone "fuck you" ngl, though idk who you're targetting exactly.

That being said, I had a fun time even though we (D8) got blasted with stuffcore music beyond belief. All that matters is I beat klimt on more rounds than he did (jkjk you won). Ok bye~

You've definitely missed some of it then.

I rolled with the files on hand, I could moving forward hold off on doing OTs until we have perfect file lineups but no one wants that either. Thing is I've adjusted over and over again just for more complaints so *shrugs* no matter what someone is unhappy.

Bach96 08-25-2020 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by psychoangel691 (Post 4741140)
You've definitely missed some of it then.

I rolled with the files on hand, I could moving forward hold off on doing OTs until we have perfect file lineups but no one wants that either. Thing is I've adjusted over and over again just for more complaints so *shrugs* no matter what someone is unhappy.

I really hope that what I was saying earlier didn't come off as disrespectful. If so, apologies!

Just figured I'd bring up the idea of constant improvement to avoid stagnation.

Something something people keep leaving :/

psychoangel691 08-25-2020 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Bach96 (Post 4741141)
I really hope that what I was saying earlier didn't come off as disrespectful. If so, apologies!

Just figured I'd being up the idea of constant improvement to avoid stagnation.

Something something people keep leaving :/

People leaving has nothing to do with the OTs though.

DarknessXoXLight 08-25-2020 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by psychoangel691 (Post 4741113)
I'll say it again if you guys can do a better job please by all means run tournaments. Would be nice for there to be more going on.

I'm sure there are plenty of people who used to love what this site once was who want to see activity and well run tournaments. I would love to be in a position to run a tournament with all new content for the community, but you built up such a wall around this glorious title of "Tournament Organizer" locking yourself into running it alone and then when people complain about very evident problems, you just say we should be appreciative? Valid criticism should be taken as a sign that people still care about a properly run tournament being fun and fair. I know many people have offered to help with official tournaments, but since you tie so much of your own personal and emotional worth staked on how much power you hold over this dumb website, nobody is willing to go through the shit they have to to contribute anything. You've made it abundantly clear numerous times that you hold 100% of the power and decision making over this tournament but when a file like Circle Pit is very poorly slotted it's suddenly AJ's fault for giving you the rating so you say go talk to AJ? You absolve yourself of blame on a very regular basis. Mistakes happen, nobody is perfect, own up to it for once or admit that you don't do as much as you claim to do. If you were willing to address the areas that you aren't completely comfortable with doing, which is fine, people would be able to step in and make the tournament as a whole a lot funner and cleaner.

This site is never going to be what it once was because of how poorly run it currently is and your refusal to accept help from anybody competent.

TheSaxRunner05 08-25-2020 11:07 PM

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I think that's a bit harsh, it's one thing to say "please take constructive feedback" and it's another to "throw the baby out with the bath water" and say FFR can never return to some lost glory days because of a few blips during and OT. Seemed to me to go quite smoothly, and one or two songs out of place isn't ruining the entire site or something.

danredge 08-25-2020 11:24 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by DarknessXoXLight (Post 4741143)
I'm sure there are plenty of people who used to love what this site once was who want to see activity and well run tournaments. I would love to be in a position to run a tournament with all new content for the community, but you built up such a wall around this glorious title of "Tournament Organizer" locking yourself into running it alone and then when people complain about very evident problems, you just say we should be appreciative? Valid criticism should be taken as a sign that people still care about a properly run tournament being fun and fair. I know many people have offered to help with official tournaments, but since you tie so much of your own personal and emotional worth staked on how much power you hold over this dumb website, nobody is willing to go through the shit they have to to contribute anything. You've made it abundantly clear numerous times that you hold 100% of the power and decision making over this tournament but when a file like Circle Pit is very poorly slotted it's suddenly AJ's fault for giving you the rating so you say go talk to AJ? You absolve yourself of blame on a very regular basis. Mistakes happen, nobody is perfect, own up to it for once or admit that you don't do as much as you claim to do. If you were willing to address the areas that you aren't completely comfortable with doing, which is fine, people would be able to step in and make the tournament as a whole a lot funner and cleaner.

This site is never going to be what it once was because of how poorly run it currently is and your refusal to accept help from anybody competent.

I think you should keed that kind of comment to yourself or private message the aporopriate person, because this was just harsh.I think Kayla and AJ are the heart of FFR and deserve respect. If you really want to help FFR join the staff.

kurisushadow 08-25-2020 11:27 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by DarknessXoXLight (Post 4741143)
I'm sure there are plenty of people who used to love what this site once was who want to see activity and well run tournaments. I would love to be in a position to run a tournament with all new content for the community, but you built up such a wall around this glorious title of "Tournament Organizer" locking yourself into running it alone and then when people complain about very evident problems, you just say we should be appreciative? Valid criticism should be taken as a sign that people still care about a properly run tournament being fun and fair. I know many people have offered to help with official tournaments, but since you tie so much of your own personal and emotional worth staked on how much power you hold over this dumb website, nobody is willing to go through the shit they have to to contribute anything. You've made it abundantly clear numerous times that you hold 100% of the power and decision making over this tournament but when a file like Circle Pit is very poorly slotted it's suddenly AJ's fault for giving you the rating so you say go talk to AJ? You absolve yourself of blame on a very regular basis. Mistakes happen, nobody is perfect, own up to it for once or admit that you don't do as much as you claim to do. If you were willing to address the areas that you aren't completely comfortable with doing, which is fine, people would be able to step in and make the tournament as a whole a lot funner and cleaner.

This site is never going to be what it once was because of how poorly run it currently is and your refusal to accept help from anybody competent.

lol TFW a post you make earlier gets justified later :v I swear. When you should just keep something to yourself :p

psychoangel691 08-25-2020 11:30 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by DarknessXoXLight (Post 4741143)
I'm sure there are plenty of people who used to love what this site once was who want to see activity and well run tournaments. I would love to be in a position to run a tournament with all new content for the community, but you built up such a wall around this glorious title of "Tournament Organizer" locking yourself into running it alone and then when people complain about very evident problems, you just say we should be appreciative? Valid criticism should be taken as a sign that people still care about a properly run tournament being fun and fair. I know many people have offered to help with official tournaments, but since you tie so much of your own personal and emotional worth staked on how much power you hold over this dumb website, nobody is willing to go through the shit they have to to contribute anything. You've made it abundantly clear numerous times that you hold 100% of the power and decision making over this tournament but when a file like Circle Pit is very poorly slott[/php]ed it's suddenly AJ's fault for giving you the rating so you say go talk to AJ? You absolve yourself of blame on a very regular basis. Mistakes happen, nobody is perfect, own up to it for once or admit that you don't do as much as you claim to do. If you were willing to address the areas that you aren't completely comfortable with doing, which is fine, people would be able to step in and make the tournament as a whole a lot funner and cleaner.

This site is never going to be what it once was because of how poorly run it currently is and your refusal to accept help from anybody competent.


This post is hilarious and I love how you only ever come out of the woodwork to talk nasty about me.

1. Yep, we'd all love to see it at it's former glory, me running tournaments is hardly the reason for any decline in the site. Blame the almost year long downtime then lack of progression that followed for quite some time because a lot of things COULDN'T happen.

2. Really? You'd love to be in my position? Go ahead then and do it lmao. I don't have a "tournament organizer" title. Please name all these people who have offered to help, I'll wait. And then tell me how many actually have when I'm like okay come help.

3. Complain about very evident problems, well lets see half of them were "I'm mad cause I'm bad at the file" complaints. Some are just beating a dead horse of a mistake we realized we made. Guess what, at the end of the day we're all still human. There's no way to 100% perfect this, especially with how much players are changing. We're adapting as fast as we can.

4. Yeah, I do think people should be more appreciative of all the time and effort people put in to keeping FFR alive. We could have all easily walked away when synth was gone for a decade, instead we did our best to try to keep it going and the community engaged. It becomes less and less worth it the more people sit here and badger us over simple things.

5. Aj rated circle pit a 72 initially, so yeah he took the blame on it himself. I didn't shove it off on him. I love how you took me taking the blame for some of the early stuff as me making it clear I had 100% of power. So you're mad at me for not taking blame when I was taking blame, lol. I mean just admit what this really is, you've never liked me and you're going to always twist anything I do into a negative.

6. Admit I don't do as much as I claim to do? What?

7. Refusal to accept help from anybody competent? Hmm so you mean because we didn't put Rob back on difficulties right? Cause that wasn't just my decision. I tried getting more judges, people fell off quickly that did apply (not that there were many to begin with). You talk so much crap but literally have no idea how many times I've tried to get help, only for the people to get their title then do absolutely nothing, or be here for a short while then poof away.

What's even funnier is I left for like a year? Year and a half? I can't remember. And nobody stepped up, nothing was getting done. Someone could've run an OT, nobody did. You also seem to forget I haven't run all of them and the complaints have still flown when others ran them. Do you even remember all the super old tournaments and how those used to go? Lol, there's been HUGE improvements but everyone wants to harp on the negative rather than try to make a positive experience, and THAT is what's going to kill things. Stop trying to push off all the blame on me as if I'm the downfall of the site when I've put in countless hours at this point just trying to scrape by and keep it as active as I could with what I'm capable of.

DarknessXoXLight 08-25-2020 11:32 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by danredge (Post 4741146)
Yeah, i think you should keed that kind of comment to yourself, because this was just harsh.I think Kayla and AJ are the heart of FFR and deserve respect. If you really want to help FFR join the staff.

Yikes. My intention wasn't to be harsh, it was to get a point across that has been building over this community for many years now. It's clear nothing changes every single year because somehow the same problems keep coming up. I'm not trying to shit all over Kayla, I'm truly not. It's just evident that staff roles are being gate kept and only people they like are allowed to help. I'm definitely not alone in thinking this as I've been DM'd by MULTIPLE people thanking me for posting what I did. It's been like 20 minutes or something.. The community is clearly frustrated and every single attempt at criticism is met with "you're just ungrateful" or "I guess I can stop doing tournaments" but nobody is asking for this, they're asking for problem areas to be addressed.

In regards to the second statement of yours, Kayla has made it very clear how she feels about me over the years. I would love nothing more than to help. I know with certainty she would never "allow" me to be on staff.

psychoangel691 08-25-2020 11:35 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by DarknessXoXLight (Post 4741149)
Yikes. My intention wasn't to be harsh, it was to get a point across that has been building over this community for many years now. It's clear nothing changes every single year because somehow the same problems keep coming up. I'm not trying to shit all over Kayla, I'm truly not. It's just evident that staff roles are being gate kept and only people they like are allowed to help. I'm definitely not alone in thinking this as I've been DM'd by MULTIPLE people thanking me for posting what I did. It's been like 20 minutes or something.. The community is clearly frustrated and every single attempt at criticism is met with "you're just ungrateful" or "I guess I can stop doing tournaments" but nobody is asking for this, they're asking for problem areas to be addressed.

In regards to the second statement of yours, Kayla has made it very clear how she feels about me over the years. I would love nothing more than to help. I know with certainty she would never "allow" me to be on staff.

Okay lol hold up here, I've made it clear how I feel about you? no no no, I'm not standing for this one this time. You're the one who came after me because someone got banned over something, you harassed me on my social medias and even went out of your way to say I should kill myself in the C6 chat.
I'm not about to sit here for this, no way. You've been nothing but negative towards me all the time.

TC_Halogen 08-25-2020 11:37 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by DarknessXoXLight (Post 4741143)

You've made it abundantly clear numerous times that you hold 100% of the power and decision making over this tournament but when a file like Circle Pit is very poorly slotted it's suddenly AJ's fault for giving you the rating so you say go talk to AJ? You absolve yourself of blame on a very regular basis.

This site is never going to be what it once was because of how poorly run it currently is and your refusal to accept help from anybody competent.

@ bolded comment: lol, ok

@ everything else -- I love how you're actually trying to speak for me as if it wasn't my fault. I took the blame because I was helping with estimations and putting things in place, and I made a mistake marking the file. I was tasked with trying to at least give estimations for things and I legitimately felt like the difficulty for the file wasn't as high as it was perceived by the community. But hey, if someone makes a mistake, it's alright for you to conveniently pounce on it as a measure of any claims of partiality. Anything to cling to make any sort of point.

danredge 08-25-2020 11:37 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by danredge (Post 4741025)
D3 Round 7 "Circle Pit" is a 82 0_0 That's why ;).

I'm really sorry that my comment had a crazy bad snowball effect.

PS. I really love the game and i appreciate all the effort and time the staff and Stepfiler put into this awesome game n_n.

Bach96 08-25-2020 11:41 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by psychoangel691 (Post 4741150)
you harassed me on my social medias and even went out of your way to say I should kill myself in the C6 chat.

MAYBE we should stop calling out personal stuff? This is getting a little out of hand...

DarknessXoXLight 08-25-2020 11:47 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by psychoangel691 (Post 4741148)
This post is hilarious and I love how you only ever come out of the woodwork to talk nasty about me.

1. Yep, we'd all love to see it at it's former glory, me running tournaments is hardly the reason for any decline in the site. Blame the almost year long downtime then lack of progression that followed for quite some time because a lot of things COULDN'T happen.

2. Really? You'd love to be in my position? Go ahead then and do it lmao. I don't have a "tournament organizer" title. Please name all these people who have offered to help, I'll wait. And then tell me how many actually have when I'm like okay come help.

3. Complain about very evident problems, well lets see half of them were "I'm mad cause I'm bad at the file" complaints. Some are just beating a dead horse of a mistake we realized we made. Guess what, at the end of the day we're all still human. There's no way to 100% perfect this, especially with how much players are changing. We're adapting as fast as we can.

4. Yeah, I do think people should be more appreciative of all the time and effort people put in to keeping FFR alive. We could have all easily walked away when synth was gone for a decade, instead we did our best to try to keep it going and the community engaged. It becomes less and less worth it the more people sit here and badger us over simple things.

5. Aj rated circle pit a 72 initially, so yeah he took the blame on it himself. I didn't shove it off on him. I love how you took me taking the blame for some of the early stuff as me making it clear I had 100% of power. So you're mad at me for not taking blame when I was taking blame, lol. I mean just admit what this really is, you've never liked me and you're going to always twist anything I do into a negative.

6. Admit I don't do as much as I claim to do? What?

7. Refusal to accept help from anybody competent? Hmm so you mean because we didn't put Rob back on difficulties right? Cause that wasn't just my decision. I tried getting more judges, people fell off quickly that did apply (not that there were many to begin with). You talk so much crap but literally have no idea how many times I've tried to get help, only for the people to get their title then do absolutely nothing, or be here for a short while then poof away.

What's even funnier is I left for like a year? Year and a half? I can't remember. And nobody stepped up, nothing was getting done. Someone could've run an OT, nobody did. You also seem to forget I haven't run all of them and the complaints have still flown when others ran them. Do you even remember all the super old tournaments and how those used to go? Lol, there's been HUGE improvements but everyone wants to harp on the negative rather than try to make a positive experience, and THAT is what's going to kill things. Stop trying to push off all the blame on me as if I'm the downfall of the site when I've put in countless hours at this point just trying to scrape by and keep it as active as I could with what I'm capable of.

Hey, if you don't wanna derail the thread I would love to talk on discord :*

Kayla, we both know we you aren't going to take anything I say to heart. I'm not going to respond to every single point of yours because you can't see past your own bias but what I will say that I am my own person with my own ability to form an opinion. Seems like we both want the same thing, a better site. I'm not going to name names because it's clear people know better than to start shit because this is how you are. It results in exactly this lmfao. Don't sit there and pretend you would have actually allowed me to help you in any way shape or form, I have offered a long long time ago and you made it clear I wasn't a welcome presence. It is what it is and honestly since this website is in the state it's in, don't lose sleep over it.

psychoangel691 08-25-2020 11:50 PM

Re: 13th Official Tournament
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DarknessXoXLight (Post 4741155)
Hey, if you don't wanna derail the thread I would love to talk on discord :*

Kayla, we both know we you aren't going to take anything I say to heart. I'm not going to respond to every single point of yours because you can't see past your own bias but what I will say that I am my own person with my own ability to form an opinion. Seems like we both want the same thing, a better site. I'm not going to name names because it's clear people know better than to start shit because this is how you are. It results in exactly this lmfao. Don't sit there and pretend you would have actually allowed me to help you in any way shape or form, I have offered a long long time ago and you made it clear I wasn't a welcome presence. It is what it is and honestly since this website is in the state it's in, don't lose sleep over it.

Message me on discord then.

FlynnMac 08-26-2020 12:09 AM

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Well congrats to everyone who played! Very intense tournament and was still a very enjoyable first OT for me! Huge thanks again to the FFR Staff for running this! <3 See y'all next year!!!

SubaruPoptart 08-26-2020 12:09 AM

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ayyyy gg!!!!

WirryWoo 08-26-2020 12:11 AM

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Despite my earlier criticisms mentioned in the thread (which I still stand by), the official tournament was still a ton of fun. :) Coming back from hiatus really forced me to rebuild the skills I once had and balancing that with real-life duties was a fun but stressful challenge. The competition was extremely fierce and I had a ton of fun overall.

Thanks to all of the organizers and the stepartists for their contributions! I know that it isn't easy to organize a tournament and how producing many charts can be a very time-consuming process, so your time and effort really made the overall experience fun to be a part of. It reminds me of my nostalgic days when I used to be extremely competitive, so thank you for reminding me how fun FFR is and how great the community is.

Thank you to my D6 competitors for making the challenge exciting and fun. A small handful of you guys recently got D7 status, so although I don't see myself competing with you guys in the future, I hope that you continue to do well and have a ton of fun in future OTs. I hope to see the rest of you and some potential D5 current players in the next OT :)

Congrats to all of the winners! Thanks again everyone!

Andrew WCY 08-26-2020 12:14 AM

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Congrats to all winners and participants! This was a fun and intense OT. I experienced a lot of stress during round 5 as I was constantly playing to get into the top 8 and I had to wait to see what scores other competitors got.

katanaeyegaming 08-26-2020 12:50 AM

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Gratz y'all see you for the next one

psychoangel691 08-26-2020 01:02 AM

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Congrats to all our winners!

Please bear with me as I hand out prizes, I did do all the top 16 tokens earlier as well as the 4th through 8th credits.

Anyone in top 8 that has both VROFL and V0 still locked let me know which you'd like.
As well as anyone who qualifies for tokens in the top 3 of the divisions, let me know your choices :)

All the winners whenever you get a moment please DM me your shipping info so I can get your shirt's in the mail.

psychoangel691 08-26-2020 01:18 AM

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Also Maggie and I did have a chat over the discord so let me also address:

We are aware that mistakes were made, and we do apologise for it. We don't intend on coming off as dismissive as we do at times to people's complaints, just at times it feels like we're getting slammed from all angles and we're still trying to manage the whole thing and it can get super stressful.

It's impossible to perfect this, and we've tried a few various things over the years to improve but it's incredibly hard with a community that has so much diversity and different needs.
A file you may be looking at as "awkward" is one we're looking at like "okay this doesn't play to just one skillset, this is perfect for keeping things more fair"
The circle pit thing was our major flub and I should have looked at it more. We'd hit the point of running out of files that would fit in areas and I just looked at the rating rather than looking at the file. I should have checked it more thoroughly myself.

We were running into several issues that I was trying my best to mitigate, like some people were upset that files from the OT batch weren't going to get used, but not all of them fit. So I tried cramming more in to address this issue when I probably could have made a better fit pulling from elsewhere.

Fortunately these issues should be mitigated moving forward now that the batch system has been updated the way it has. People can imply if they're okay with their files being held which means we can start stockpiling much earlier and hopefully not even have to have a specific batch for it going forward.
There's a team of people on difficulties now that will be going over everything that lands in the accepted queue. We'll likely still have flubs even still because honestly there's no exact science for this and you guys are always surprising us with how hard you find files. But hopefully we'll be a lot closer to the mark and not have another major error come up.

Anyway, I just wanted ya'll to know what was going down and that we are working on improving, there's even a dedicated team now for 100+ files.

s1rnight 08-26-2020 01:41 AM

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i personally think the tournament was run very well... tho i wasn’t any good in D2 (laugh

it might be nice if there was a rule where if you failed a file in a higher division but passed a file in a lower division, u got moved down a division or something. tho probably i could just do something like that for fun

RadiantVibe 08-26-2020 02:45 AM

Re: 13th Official Tournament
 
Finally I will unlock Unconnected. HYPE

Thanks to everyone that organized the tournament! I got eliminated pretty early but still got to have some fun with the revenge tournament against D6. Can't wait for the next one :)

benny58624 08-26-2020 03:56 AM

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Oh wow, I didn't intend to be part of starting drama. Was just wondering why D3 had a more difficult file than D4. It makes sense now. I'm not great at rating files myself when the file is a lot easier than my skill level. And given then amount of files that needed to be rated, this could happen. It's not necessarily that bad for this to happen because everyone in in a division needs to play the same file anyway.

I've enjoyed the tournament, didn't expect to get to D5 and top 8!
Was about to say I'd like to get Strangeprogram V0, but just saw it's already been given, thanks :)

_Fluttershy_ 08-26-2020 04:04 AM

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For what it's worth, I thought this tournament was really well run. I mean, overlooking the obvious issue with Circle Pit which was acknowledged, the rest of the files were, pretty much, what you'd expect from a tournament in terms of difficulty, variety in different skillsets and mechanics, and difficulty progression.

I also want to personally thank Kayla for her (your) running of the tournament as I unfortunately had two instances during this tournament where I obtained a score which didn't save but I messaged her on Discord and she was very quick to reply and fix it, so I have no issues at all with this tournament and how it was run, especially considering that Kayla has - for the most part - run this tourney by herself (not to make a sweeping, presumptive statement as I know that others have helped out).

And finally, I want to congratulate Dark Saga on the first place in D5. In the end, that score on Q.E. was just far too good and beyond my capabilities but I'm very happy to have finished 2nd in such a competitive division. The fact that I was able to finish ahead of people I've played, and enjoyed competing, with in tourneys for years was really impressive for me. This'll probably be my last tourney in D5, I'd imagine, so I'm happy to get Top 3 in a tournament having had that ambition ever since I kept getting knocked out in Round 4 in my first few official tourneys.

GG everyone and congrats to the winners of all divisions!!

the sun fan 08-26-2020 05:00 AM

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if I could get strangeprogram v0 on thesunfan, I'd appreciate it

Velocity 08-26-2020 05:16 AM

Re: 13th Official Tournament
 
Can I use my token unlock to remove a event token from andrew_wcy instead?

Andrew WCY 08-26-2020 06:15 AM

Re: 13th Official Tournament
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Velocity (Post 4741195)
Can I use my token unlock to remove a event token from andrew_wcy instead?

lolwut

revolutionomega 08-26-2020 08:42 AM

Re: 13th Official Tournament
 
Congrats winners! See you next year while I continue to drown in pee D6R1.

xXOpkillerXx 08-26-2020 09:03 AM

Re: 13th Official Tournament
 
Just showing off usergroup

Ok bye 👌

Dynam0 08-26-2020 09:18 AM

Re: 13th Official Tournament
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by psychoangel691 (Post 4741174)
Also Maggie and I did have a chat over the discord so let me also address:

We are aware that mistakes were made, and we do apologise for it. We don't intend on coming off as dismissive as we do at times to people's complaints, just at times it feels like we're getting slammed from all angles and we're still trying to manage the whole thing and it can get super stressful.

It's impossible to perfect this, and we've tried a few various things over the years to improve but it's incredibly hard with a community that has so much diversity and different needs.
A file you may be looking at as "awkward" is one we're looking at like "okay this doesn't play to just one skillset, this is perfect for keeping things more fair"
The circle pit thing was our major flub and I should have looked at it more. We'd hit the point of running out of files that would fit in areas and I just looked at the rating rather than looking at the file. I should have checked it more thoroughly myself.

We were running into several issues that I was trying my best to mitigate, like some people were upset that files from the OT batch weren't going to get used, but not all of them fit. So I tried cramming more in to address this issue when I probably could have made a better fit pulling from elsewhere.

Fortunately these issues should be mitigated moving forward now that the batch system has been updated the way it has. People can imply if they're okay with their files being held which means we can start stockpiling much earlier and hopefully not even have to have a specific batch for it going forward.
There's a team of people on difficulties now that will be going over everything that lands in the accepted queue. We'll likely still have flubs even still because honestly there's no exact science for this and you guys are always surprising us with how hard you find files. But hopefully we'll be a lot closer to the mark and not have another major error come up.

Anyway, I just wanted ya'll to know what was going down and that we are working on improving, there's even a dedicated team now for 100+ files.

This is good news, I appreciate the response :)

M0nkeyz 08-26-2020 09:27 AM

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Congratulations to all the winners and competitors that have exceeded their expectations or have skillboosted through the brackets.

I really never expected to make it to the top 3 of D5, this tournament has been a great learning experience for me both as an arrow smasher as well as a stepartist.

I also want to give a huge shoutout to the tournament organizers and especially AJ for judging such a large amount of stepfiles and still have the energy to write lore and put charts to their corresponding divisions.

Hopefully there will be more Official Tournaments in the future; I still feel I have to prove myself further to truly be considered a top D5 player.

Devilchilly 08-26-2020 09:53 AM

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The amount of dedication put into hosting this event and keeping the tradition alive after an insane 13 years was unfathomable and it's something I'll never be able to appreciate enough.

I genuinely love how events like these always manage to bring people together and remind us all that at the end of the day, we're all like-minded people sharing the same passion in a very tight-knit community, meaning we have to be together for a community like this to grow. It creates unforgettable memories of this community that are long-lasting even for those who will depart from us to embark in life one day.

Thank you, tournament organizers, for all the work and effort you guys have put in this year to create a banger, I had a real blast in it!

Yes, this event may have had some technical difficulties, but saying that wouldn't be really fair considering how well you guys have done everything else. Besides, the mistake was genuine, not deliberate, so the best we all can do, as civilized people, at the end of the day is to forgive one another and learn from the mistakes. Otherwise, we can't move onto a future where everything will become better.

Again, absolutely great job from all the organizers and I hope you guys get your well-deserved rest now, cheers.

j-rodd123 08-26-2020 10:09 AM

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It was fun thanks all! Wish I could've participated more but unfortunately couldn't. congrats to all the winners and high placers!

I liked most of the files, thanks to steppers for keeping making great content..

If i had to critique something it would be i found the difficulty progression in D5 to be kinda meh, especially compared to how good it's been in past OTs (yes i've been in D5 for a billion OTs now). Sunset Sky Garden was definitely too hard for a R2 especially when easy files like naive hopelessness and smash and burn came after it. i also thought ani meshuval or w/e was harder than the 2 files that came after it but that one i could chalk up to weakness in the OHTs at the end. like if i played im pretty sure i would've been eliminated in R3 but the rounds after were kinda free, disregarding skillset.

again in saying all that it wasnt a big deal since things stayed kind of consistent and around the 80 difficulty mark so it's fine, just my 2 cents

ULTIMEGA 08-26-2020 01:12 PM

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Tourney was definitely fun. Got knocked out early but it's okay. I got my D7 promo (OFFICIALLY), participated in D7, but the songs were all great fun. Round 6 especially, I feel, was the most fun to me.

Awesome stuff as always. Great fun. Feels good to have improved once again, and grats to all the winners. Wanna give a special thanks to Halogen and PA691 (psychoangel for those of you who might be a little confused) and Rushy for hosting the side event. Great fun. Lot of amazing charts, and just an overall amazing time.

Can't wait to see what we get next year. Let's keep this site going, gang.

psychoangel691 08-26-2020 02:17 PM

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Thanks everyone, I hope all and all everyone had a good time.


All prizes that don't require a choice from the user (except the badges) should be out to everyone. Let me know if there's any issue. Badges should be up by end of day. :)

My 1st placers I forgot to add with your shipping info please let me know your shirt size as well.

Nomstien 08-26-2020 04:28 PM

Re: 13th Official Tournament
 
Great tournament had some great skill boost for sure went d3-d5

Sky Kitten 08-26-2020 07:13 PM

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Congrats to all the winners and ggs to all! It was great fun. :)

mi40 08-26-2020 07:27 PM

Re: 13th Official Tournament
 
can't wait for the 20th anniversary megatournament

qrrbrbirbel 08-28-2020 10:08 AM

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You should make me tournament staff and I'll gladly help.

I donate ramen every year for the OT, support the site with patreon as well as support the discord, and am one of the more active members. I generally care about everyone in the community and will go out of my way to make sure everyone is healthy and happy (especially the staff lol)

Plus I'm pretty so yeah


Also been on the site 16 years so theres that too


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