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EtienneSM 05-14-2020 06:47 PM

Defeating some old SM curses
 
Forgot to post the first score here, and I figured it would make sense out of all places to post a few more of these here as well. Lots of good old school goodies




This score is on the new scoring system, so the percentage is much lower.







Minijack is MFC'able btw





Okay, see you guys again if I ever MFC White Flag lmao.

Dynam0 05-15-2020 09:28 AM

Re: Defeating some old SM curses
 
First

As soon as I saw BtE quad that was enough for me to log in.

I could never figure out that poly-rhythmic stuff enough to quad it. Perhaps only Alex was within reach of doing that way back when.

That quad in and of itself is such a huge milestone. To think people were going nuts over AAA's when the file came out.

Would love to see you attempt Psicicite (or however it's spelled) to go for the SDP.

Also the difference between ~10 perfects on White Flag and mid-SDP is stupid. I hope people understand how nuts these are.

Bravo dude!

xXOpkillerXx 05-15-2020 10:13 AM

Re: Defeating some old SM curses
 
Lmao this thread makes any acc player rethink their life goals.

Seriously though, wtf :) Sick quads

Oh by any chance would you happen to have these on vid ?

AlexDest 05-15-2020 07:24 PM

Re: Defeating some old SM curses
 
🦀 BtE is dead 🦀

Gundam-Dude 05-15-2020 09:30 PM

Re: Defeating some old SM curses
 
o hey files I actually recognize

glad to see someone still aiming for accuracy scores these days. all of these are unfathomable

TC_Halogen 05-16-2020 10:36 AM

Re: Defeating some old SM curses
 
When I saw the tweet you made about Beyond the Earth, I'm pretty sure I at least did a triple take to ensure that what I saw was right.

Monumental score. The others here are also pretty incredible.

EzExZeRo7497 05-16-2020 11:08 AM

Re: Defeating some old SM curses
 
Scarlet in the Dream 4p PFC is ridiculous.

-paexaea- 05-16-2020 01:23 PM

Re: Defeating some old SM curses
 
All of these are insane acc scores, fuck yeah man good shit

Mollocephalus 05-17-2020 05:20 AM

Re: Defeating some old SM curses
 
Out of this world dude

V-Ormix 05-17-2020 08:36 AM

Re: Defeating some old SM curses
 
I feel like anyone who's quadded the last dedicated should automatically have the best ma?

Go after samurais 2 hour js one day plz

Edit: i still honestly consider youre teens ma on gigadelic to be one of the hardest scores to understand. Like what is an example of best ma to difficulty ratio anyone has gotten? Didn't you get 64 perfects on red sign?

I managed 60 perfects on anime pussy at my peak so youd maybe even get an sdp on that too

roundb0x 05-17-2020 11:57 AM

Re: Defeating some old SM curses
 
nice job man


Shadow_God_10 05-17-2020 07:41 PM

Re: Defeating some old SM curses
 
Dear God those are nuts

EtienneSM 05-18-2020 10:10 PM

Re: Defeating some old SM curses
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by xXOpkillerXx (Post 4730652)
Lmao this thread makes any acc player rethink their life goals.

Seriously though, wtf :) Sick quads

Oh by any chance would you happen to have these on vid ?

Not all of them, but I have them all on replays, so I may upload some of them in the future haha.

Also tyty, everyone! Glad to get approval from some of the old school homies.

iCeCuBEz v2 05-21-2020 11:34 AM

Re: Defeating some old SM curses
 
I can’t wrap my head around a BTE quad .... just getting through the bad habit patterns alone.

Everything else is obviously ridiculous

When are you going to sdp gigadelic lol. I was randomly thinking about your 11p 1m score yesterday and was like no one is even remotely close to that score on that file. Nowhere close.

EtienneSM 05-21-2020 08:20 PM

Re: Defeating some old SM curses
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by iCeCuBEz v2 (Post 4730851)
I can’t wrap my head around a BTE quad .... just getting through the bad habit patterns alone.

Everything else is obviously ridiculous

When are you going to sdp gigadelic lol. I was randomly thinking about your 11p 1m score yesterday and was like no one is even remotely close to that score on that file. Nowhere close.

I tried it a few times and mindblocked the first anchor lol. Might have to mirror it another day and see what I can do with it. Probably capable of 5p or something tbh.

dAnceguy117 05-23-2020 02:49 AM

Re: Defeating some old SM curses
 
It (gigadelic) seems simultaneously possible yet preposterously difficult. reach is a genius tbh

FirstMaple8 05-23-2020 02:54 AM

Re: Defeating some old SM curses
 
gz

DossarLX ODI 06-15-2020 01:43 PM

Re: Defeating some old SM curses
 
Incredible scores.

Quote:

Originally Posted by EtienneSM (Post 4730632)
Minijack is MFC'able btw

In White Flag, I think the minijack in that chart is a 192nd minijack.

85 BPM 192nd = 255 BPM 64th = 14.7 milliseconds in between the two notes

If the marvelous window of Stepmania is 22.5 ms (for both sides), that's 45 ms total window which is roughly 1/3 the speed of that. So someone would need to do something like a 340 BPM 16th minijack on scraping the very outer edges of the marvelous window to do it. I don't see that being feasible unless you have a key that allows you to overlay the two hits with two fingers.

EtienneSM 06-15-2020 01:45 PM

Re: Defeating some old SM curses
 
I flam two fingers on my one hand in order to MFC it. I've gotten close doing it traditionally but I did get it a few times on stream with my method. It's done on a normal keyboard too. I'm not using any special/bigger key to do so.

mi40 06-15-2020 05:51 PM

Re: Defeating some old SM curses
 
excuse me


XelNya 06-15-2020 06:46 PM

Re: Defeating some old SM curses
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by EtienneSM (Post 4731580)
I flam two fingers on my one hand in order to MFC it. I've gotten close doing it traditionally but I did get it a few times on stream with my method. It's done on a normal keyboard too. I'm not using any special/bigger key to do so.

Not calling bs, I'm not good enough at the game to even comment on that, but I'd love to see this explained in a video with a shot of it being done linked, just because it'd be fun to see if it could be replicated from others seeing it.

mi40 06-15-2020 06:57 PM

Re: Defeating some old SM curses
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by XelNya (Post 4731589)
Not calling bs, I'm not good enough at the game to even comment on that, but I'd love to see this explained in a video with a shot of it being done linked, just because it'd be fun to see if it could be replicated from others seeing it.

you just roll two fingers onto 1 key, kind of like hitting a colored jump on ffr that's 1 frame apart, except you do it onto one key

choof 06-15-2020 07:23 PM

Re: Defeating some old SM curses
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by XelNya (Post 4731589)
Not calling bs, I'm not good enough at the game to even comment on that, but I'd love to see this explained in a video with a shot of it being done linked, just because it'd be fun to see if it could be replicated from others seeing it.

using two fingers on one key, doubling input
not clasically legit imo

EtienneSM 06-15-2020 08:09 PM

Re: Defeating some old SM curses
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by choof (Post 4731592)
using two fingers on one key, doubling input
not clasically legit imo

It's just frowned upon at worst, since I'm not utilizing extra keys or special equipment. Especially in the context of an objectively dumb section in a file that's virtually not viable/remotely consistent otherwise.

Once I start playing actively again, I'll maybe give some attempts on it again. It's definitely doable.

mi40 06-15-2020 08:48 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by EtienneSM (Post 4731595)
It's just frowned upon at worst, since I'm not utilizing extra keys or special equipment. Especially in the context of an objectively dumb section in a file that's virtually not viable/remotely consistent otherwise.

Once I start playing actively again, I'll maybe give some attempts on it again. It's definitely doable.

yeah nobody should give you flak for doing that for white flag
i mean there are no other keys in use here and you're just using your fingers as intended, i remember when people called spread cheating!

choof 06-15-2020 11:27 PM

Re: Defeating some old SM curses
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by EtienneSM (Post 4731595)
It's just frowned upon at worst, since I'm not utilizing extra keys or special equipment. Especially in the context of an objectively dumb section in a file that's virtually not viable/remotely consistent otherwise.

Once I start playing actively again, I'll maybe give some attempts on it again. It's definitely doable.

hence the classically bit, it probably is arguable that this is the only way to "hit it as intended"

Dynam0 06-16-2020 10:35 AM

Re: Defeating some old SM curses
 
I've always been vocal about calling out mirrored scores as inequivalent and the like but meh, this seems fine.

I can remember someone playing jackhammer madness by trilling the jacks on one key as a proof of concept. I tried it myself but couldn't figure it out lol

I'd say this is a rare situation where the technique is useful. It's not like double-setup which itself seems ludicrous to practice but imagine what you could do if you mastered using it.

EtienneSM 06-16-2020 07:03 PM

Re: Defeating some old SM curses
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dynam0 (Post 4731632)
I've always been vocal about calling out mirrored scores as inequivalent and the like but meh, this seems fine.

I can remember someone playing jackhammer madness by trilling the jacks on one key as a proof of concept. I tried it myself but couldn't figure it out lol

I'd say this is a rare situation where the technique is useful. It's not like double-setup which itself seems ludicrous to practice but imagine what you could do if you mastered using it.

Mirror just changes hand bias, which really isn't an inherently bad thing. Files where it's that drastic that it helps to mirror a file from a physical standpoint traditionally aren't that good of files to begin with anyways (or at least the section itself sucks to an extent). As someone who was too stubborn to use mirror for the longest time up until like 2018/2019, I realized how many files I had mindblocked and it just made everything more fair for me since I was playing to my actual ability lmao.

Unless you mindblock both like me, then you're fucced.

Same goes for trilling long jacks on two fingers. Virtually every quality file wouldn't even have such jacks to begin with so the debate normally doesn't even exist, but in the case of something like Angelic Layer, you *should* have that option imo. It's just a matter of player integrity at that point and you won't develop good long jack fundamentals for other files anyways, so it punishes what it needs to for the most part.

As long as you're staying within the boundaries of a normal keyboard with four keys only, there's not really anything that constitutes as cheating from a technical standpoint. It's just incredibly cheesy and reduces your development for better fundamentals.

And yeah, I've MFC'd a few jacks in Jackhammer madness using the start. If my left hand could do it as well as my right, I could probably SDP the entire thing tbh.

TC_Halogen 06-16-2020 07:11 PM

Re: Defeating some old SM curses
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by XelNya (Post 4731589)
Not calling bs, I'm not good enough at the game to even comment on that, but I'd love to see this explained in a video with a shot of it being done linked, just because it'd be fun to see if it could be replicated from others seeing it.

Literally everyone who has a Crowdpleaser FC that didn't use double setup does this, just for what it's worth. It's essentially a 9-note 250 BPM 16th split-handed jumptrill in that case.

You basically double up on the inputs on each key so that you're able to do twice as many inputs with half as much strain.

Doing it in White Flag is impressive because you've basically gotta buffer the first input slightly early to not only get a marv, but also to not be victimized by debouncing/input polling.

sertman 06-22-2020 03:25 AM

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that BtE score is unbelievable. like i know i've been gone for over a decade but i cant believe how good people have gotten. jesus

also as long as people are using the same four keys idk what the issue is

notmclaren 07-11-2020 01:13 AM

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WTF


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