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gold stinger 01-8-2020 04:33 PM

Re: Rap is technically music
 
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Originally Posted by Not devonin (Post 4707055)
Not hip-hop but apparently this is how all rap is made according to krispy, but imagine calling this "not music"


HerBIE

*breakcore doots intensify*

Funnygurl555 01-8-2020 04:57 PM

Re: Rap is technically music
 
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Originally Posted by Not devonin (Post 4707032)
Er...no I didn't forget anything from that direct quote from existing song lyrics.

im dumb

s1rnight 01-8-2020 05:20 PM

Re: Rap is technically music
 
DISCLAIMER: i only listen to about five piano composers from the 19th and 20th century

imo the pitch aspect of rap is by far the most interesting thing about it, using speech as ur melody gives u access to INHARMONIC PITCH RELATIONS which is so esoteric that it took white (and jewish) people until world war 1 to discover it. (ok, not really) i would even wager (i have never listened to a rap song in my life) that many of these pitch relations are used intelligently, such as "making the pitch go higher when u are more excited", "using a similar pitch area or exact pitch when you are repeating a word, or a rhyming schema", or "general expressivity of tone (for many definitions of tone)". if you listen to lots of twelve-tone or modern classical composers your brain starts to hear *everything* melodically and everything as connected through harmony so there's no issue with me on that front. just hearing somebody who has an interesting way of talking feels like an iridescent bird flying through space!!!! kind of like reading a weird person post on a forum. hoo. ok

s1rnight 01-8-2020 05:22 PM

Re: Rap is technically music
 
(i got linked to this thread through discord, hello everyone)

ilikexd 01-8-2020 05:44 PM

Re: Rap is technically music
 
what if rap had TOO much pitch? like obviously most rap has not enough pitch to be music. but what if a rap song had like >14 pitches, then could it actually be so much pitch that it cancels out and becomes non-music again?

s1rnight 01-8-2020 05:45 PM

Re: Rap is technically music
 
rap has at least 13,700 discrete pitches!!!!

ilikexd 01-8-2020 05:48 PM

Re: Rap is technically music
 
also a common mistake many listeners of hip hop make is they think that all the rappers are singing about "bitches" and that it's misogynistic or to quote MixMasterLar "problematic issues with womanizing" but actually they are saying "pitches" because they know that if there aren't enough pitches in the song it won't technically be music and they won't be able to record it and share it with people

Not devonin 01-8-2020 07:29 PM

Re: Rap is technically music
 
You know what CT needs? A local mod :P

MixMasterLar 01-8-2020 08:36 PM

Re: Rap is technically music
 
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Originally Posted by Not devonin (Post 4707074)
You know what CT needs? A local mod :P

To be fair this is like the most action any of these forums get now.

Kinda just enjoying the activity at this point.

Funnygurl555 01-8-2020 09:09 PM

Re: Rap is technically music
 
this was truly a great thread

rayword45 01-8-2020 10:07 PM

Re: Rap is technically music
 
yo this nf shit sucks lmao not music

but rap is

the sun fan 01-8-2020 10:23 PM

Re: Rap is technically music
 
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Originally Posted by Funnygurl555 (Post 4707083)
this was truly a great thread

ffa /almost/ didn't make it
I'm so proud

Dinglesberry 01-8-2020 10:40 PM

Re: Rap is technically music
 
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Originally Posted by ilikexd (Post 4707063)
what if rap had TOO much pitch? like obviously most rap has not enough pitch to be music. but what if a rap song had like >14 pitches, then could it actually be so much pitch that it cancels out and becomes non-music again?

bro when are we gonna start hearing harsh noise rap i think thats a genre that society needs

ilikexd 01-9-2020 12:38 AM

Re: Rap is technically music
 
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Originally Posted by Dinglesberry (Post 4707089)
bro when are we gonna start hearing harsh noise rap i think thats a genre that society needs

bro

Dinglesberry 01-9-2020 01:05 AM

Re: Rap is technically music
 
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Originally Posted by ilikexd (Post 4707100)
bro

fug

Dr. Toboggan 01-9-2020 02:38 PM

Re: Rap is technically music
 
My father went to music theory school

revolutionomega 01-9-2020 02:47 PM

Re: Rap is technically music
 
Parappa the Rapper is the GOAT

Dinglesberry 01-9-2020 03:05 PM

Re: Rap is technically music
 
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Originally Posted by Dr. Toboggan (Post 4707124)
My father went to music theory school

how tf are u a vet

Dr. Toboggan 01-9-2020 03:12 PM

Re: Rap is technically music
 
Transfer

revolutionomega 01-9-2020 04:21 PM

Re: Rap is technically music
 
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Originally Posted by Dr. Toboggan (Post 4707128)
Transfer

Transfer deez nuts
Jabba the Hut
Rolling with my homies to Pizza Hut

Making up rhymes
FFR time
Rap is technically music, but I'd rather listen to Sublime

Word.

MixMasterRacism 01-9-2020 09:37 PM

Re: Rap is technically music
 
hey guys how's it going

MixMasterRacism 01-9-2020 09:37 PM

Re: Rap is technically music
 
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Originally Posted by .Gazelle. (Post 4707040)
Like I'm not even going to bother picking it apart that post was so bad

for the love of god please do I would love to see mixmasterlar's racist boomer tendencies get shit on by an Actual For Real Legit black dude lmao

MixMasterRacism 01-9-2020 09:38 PM

Re: Rap is technically music
 
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Originally Posted by MixMasterLar (Post 4706884)
Oh thank God.

of course a petty ass triggered trumptard would post something like this

MixMasterRacism 01-9-2020 09:39 PM

Re: Rap is technically music
 
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Originally Posted by MixMasterLar (Post 4707035)
See what gets me is, huge swats of Rap is specifically targeted to Black Culture but when someone not that demographic doesn't understand the appeal it's becausethey don't know black people apparently.

Maybe it's just that people don't get what is specifically not made for them instead?

Although, the fact that mainstream rap makes this claim while traditionally having problematic issues with womanizing, gang violence and toxic tribe mentality probably doesn't help their case? Like if I was black I would probably be pissed that the genre made for my culture casually drops lines about picking up hoes and killing fuckers I don't agree with as the norm.


This doesn't represent the entirety of the genre (because of course not, I'm not stupid to think any musical genre is completely one note) but damn if it feels like that's what a good majority of it is and it's off putting to anyone who doesn't want to internalize that kind of content. No amount of positive examples you can link me could outnumber me giving you sever problematic ones that probably got more airtime (although if you want to be petty and play that out, it's gonna have to be later in the week)

you legitimately sound like the kinda person who's upset that they can't use the n-word to denigrate black people and try to justify it by saying that it doesn't mean black people it means ignorant people

MixMasterRacism 01-9-2020 09:42 PM

Re: Rap is technically music
 
need I remind a boomer like you that this kinda antimainstream puritanism has been on the wrong side of history for decades and decades. remember sex, drugs, and rock n roll? guaranteed you look back on the womanizing, the violence, and the toxic "tribe mentality" of mainstream rock in the 70s, 80s, 90s, and early 2000s with fondness. I guess you enjoy more conservative ethos, stuff more grounded in tradition, something more honorable? hmm, I wonder what kinda people are upset about the lack of those kinda things in mainstream art.

MixMasterRacism 01-9-2020 09:44 PM

Re: Rap is technically music
 
why is modern music just all entartete kunst? argh it makes me so mad!

MixMasterRacism 01-9-2020 09:45 PM

Re: Rap is technically music
 
I was gonna make an alt named RaceMixMasterLar but figured that it'd get lost in translation and then I thought of MixBoomerLar but I had already made this one
c'est la vie

MixMasterRacism 01-9-2020 09:47 PM

Re: Rap is technically music
 
ChudMasterLar's a good one too

TheSaxRunner05 01-9-2020 10:15 PM

Re: Rap is technically music
 
What I’ve learned from this thread is that some people, even in a rhythm game community, have a poor understanding of what music is. Other cultures understand and use music in different ways. Ethnomusicologists study these relationships and I can say - this isn’t even an issue. Of course it’s music. What you see is a rejection of the culture, and it says as much about the people trying to deny its status as music as it does about the people who perform and listen to rap.

DaBackpack 01-9-2020 11:12 PM

Re: Rap is technically music
 
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Originally Posted by TheSaxRunner05 (Post 4707146)
What I’ve learned from this thread is that some people, even in a rhythm game community, have a poor understanding of what music is. Other cultures understand and use music in different ways. Ethnomusicologists study these relationships and I can say - this isn’t even an issue. Of course it’s music. What you see is a rejection of the culture, and it says as much about the people trying to deny its status as music as it does about the people who perform and listen to rap.

This pretty much. Same thing applies to "art." Ask someone for a definition and you learn more about the person than you do about the word

Sky Kitten 01-9-2020 11:33 PM

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