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I got all of these yesterday but still no chance at top 3 .-.
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Got through the [1][4] [2][3] trills in the middle.
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i am FRICKED for d5. what in the Heck are people doing so good on these songs for. this is making me very confused and makes me also want to say "oh my gosh"
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D7 is a world of fun. You guys would love it.........
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Btw, that snafu makes no sense. if you can 2g the whole file how do you botch the ending so bad? Literally looks like a purposeful mash so you didnt get D7 lmao
Edit: yeah just played it again and that part isnt even hard compared to the rest of the file? if you can 10g crisis aaaing that ending which is way faster and harder, you should be able to near aaa snafu. Just do it already and get D7 haha |
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nahh, that snafu is totally reasonable. i seem to have lost most of my skill on that file in particular, but i've found that i can AAA just about every burst in the first half (very inconsistently) but the ending still totally dumps on me. also nerves are a thing. 2g in the first half and teens in the ending is fine.
and once you have the speed for it epileptic crisis's ending is the easiest part of the file to AAA imo |
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Firstly, snafu's ending is by far the hardest part, you can argue that if you want. Secondly, wtf "so you didn't get d7"... |
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all the difficulty in snafu is in the last 30 seconds
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will try to improve my scores on the weekend perhaps, because playing in this tourney is putting too much strain on my hands OOOF also snafu confirmed for ez file just hit the arrows bro omg |
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r.i.p. top 3 for me.
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f.y.i. in D6, I plan on opting to give my event token to the person in 4th place, since I already have all the tokens, and more than enough credits.
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Just be happy for other people when they get good scores, it's not that hard. edit: nvm you aren't even signed up for this one. even less reason to be salty about him improving in a tourney that's purpose is to help people improve lol |
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113-8-13-29 on Bits and Bytes. Previous tourney best was 113-8-13-41. Lol @ consistency?
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maaaaan irl kicked me in the ass and im a little rusty rn. i hope i can catch up to y'alls scores this week. there's some insane shit there
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Requiring near SDGs on all the songs is pretty dope for D5. Guess I'm not made for D5 lol.
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Please dear god consider putting me in D5.
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it's worth pointing out that the only guy level 83 in D5 reached that level during this tourney, so it was completely fair to place him in D5 at the beginning. i'm gonna have to side with devonin's decision on this one. |
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I know its not really your responisbility but getting bmah'd by halcyon 2 tourneys in a row is bit of an ugh
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can i be put in d6 please
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i'd be honored to be placed in a higher division than i think i am
then again, i'm d6 lol |
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I feel like I might get D7 accidentally one day o.o
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Boom, not last. Bring it, bottom of D2!
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I could take 100 attempts and not improve that fast. It's not a mystery as to why people complain about sandbagging. |
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edit: also, i would completely understand if a D5 was complaining about it since it directly affects them, but the person complaining in this situation is D6 lol |
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@suicidaln00b,
fuck. that. Confirmed actually impossible to win a D6 tournament. |
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But the whole point of the tournament was to push people to improve, so somebody who had enough gameplays to be placed into a division, just -getting better- to the point where halfway through, they've squeaked into the division above is just the tournament working properly. The person in 1st in D1 right now is D2 leveled but started in D1, and I haven't moved them up either. There's a person in D2 who is D3 leveled and isn't even winning. Clearly everybody ahead of them should also all be put into D3 even though they're still under level 50. I've moved up people that have just blown right past the division and up into the next one. But being 2 or 3 levels higher than you started was the GOAL. Why would anybody try as hard as they could to improve and get their best scores if the INSTANT reward was "Putting you up into a division where you'll get ruined into paste" This was a -TEST RUN- for a tournament format built specifically to have the effect of pushing people to improve their overall skill level enough to go up a division. Complaining that people have improved their overall skill enough to go up a division is sort of contrary to the purpose here. If nothing else, seeing now that we can structure a format where people will actually push their skill up and get PBs and then improve them to new PBs is valuable information to find ways to make this format even better in the future. I'm already working on a scoring system to not reward placing in your division, but instead reward skill level improvement, using the tournament just as a structure for a start and end date. I'm also working on a reward system to make it so that improving your way up out of a division gives you a worthwhile reward on its own at the time you get moved up mid-tourney that it's actually an incentive and not a punishment to level up. |
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tl;dr Someone's working on people's issues with perceived and actual sandbagging.
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lmao at complaining about sandbaggers in this tourney where the only prizes are credits and some tokens you probably werent gonna play anyways
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Makin' first post from D1 to say that it did push me to get better, I've leveled up twice today after practicing the songs. Thank you for the push, devonin :)
EDIT: but it's also my first tourney, so I'd like to know how prize distribution works. Do only the top three per division get stuff, or will I get something for placing 6th? |
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Yeah generally we don't decide on the prizing until we get a total of what the prizes are, donations have been *ahem* pretty thin on the ground, so I'll probably up the 2M to 2.5M and it'll be weighted to the winners of each division, but everybody will get -something-
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I really can't help but laugh when people say "lol but hes d6." I'm level 83. I was level 82 for a year and a fucking half. THAT WAS D5. I went up 1 LEVEL in a YEAR AND A HALF. I went up that ONE level because I got a fluke score on an 87 file. I have not gotten a single good score on anything since then. The way ranking works is stupid and broken, I've been saying this for years and it has fallen on deaf ears the entire time.
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You have 12 of your 15 best scores above 82.00
Of them your best 5 are over 83.00, and two more are 82.91 I don't think it's a fluke that you're level 83, give yourself more credit! |
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It's hard to give yourself credit when you've never been a top 8 competitor in any division because I'm always bottom of my division, and when I get good enough to actually start to enjoy a healthy competition I get thrown back into the bottom of a different barrel. Idk I just think the ranking system is flawed in a sense that it assumes people don't have limitations. I know I won't get better. The ranking system doesn't and neither do you. I do appreciate the swift replies though and I apologize if people see this as a toxic post. Just my opinion.
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How can you say you know you won't get better, when the crux of your complaint appears to be "I keep getting better, just at inopportune times with regards to tournaments"
If the tournament had been when you were at the top of D5 you could have won. If the tournament had been when you were at the top of D4 you could have won. If anything, it seems like your issue should be that "major" tournaments happen so rarely that you can't guarantee you won't be near the top of a division at the time one happens. There -have been times- you've been at the top of a division, just by definition. You just don't recall having access to a big tourney any time during those periods, and I get why that's extremely frustrating. but the alternative is to let people play in lower divisions for full prizes, and why wouldn't a D4 or 5 or 6 player just say "I think I should be in D 3 or 4 or 5" and be completely unbeatable? Divisions are a way to sort players without having to do a deep analysis of their entire score history every time you want to do a tournament. Because each division is a range, people will be at the top and bottom of that range. I would LOVE for you to be able to do a tournament against only other level 83 players, but we have too few players for that level of granularity, and I get the impression that if at the start of the tournament you were 83 and your opponent was also 83, but by the end you were still 83 and they were 86, we'd probably have this same conversation again. |
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Everyone wants to win, including me and you. I know I won't win in this tourney or get anywhere close to the top 3 in D6, but I still participate because I want to know how well I do compared with other players in a competitive environment and I want to improve. It feels good when you see your scores improve even by just a bit, no?
Don't feel so negative about this. After all, you got into one of the top divisions! Give yourself a pat on the back! The ranking system has its own flaws, but given the tradition for players to be separated into 7 divisions based on skill ratings, everyone participating would have a chance to start at any position in the competition leaderboard. Instead of viewing the tourney as a chance to win, see the tourney as an opportunity for improving your skills! No one really knows for sure that they couldn't improve: It might take a lot of playing to get a skill boost. The fun and excitement comes from improvements! |
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I know exactly where elmerz is coming from. Ive never even top 15d a tourny. Ive been level 87 for years and only halfway to 88 lol. I was at the middle of d5, then got bumped to bottom of d6. Im low d6 right now but ill never be top d6 like gold stinger, suicidaln00b, haku etc. One day ill just be bumped to d7 randomly, or ill stay low d6 forever. Its pretty frustrating the way the rankings are tbh. I know they cant be perfect, but come on. Once you win a tourn in a specific division you should be insta bumped. Mainly because in order to win you need to be playing levels wayyyy above your comfort zone and clearly you can if you win.
#2centsthatdoesntmeanshit Edit: im not the only one who believs an insta bump should happen either. Ive heard it from others when asking or just talking about fiffer. |
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Some of you guys just don't get it...
Has someone reached the level for the division above them ? YES: Bump to that division NO: Stay in current division Are the ratings of files that person scored on too high/low ? YES: Suggest a rating fix in the appropriate subforum and revise the answer to the first question NO: Do nothing Did the person change division early in the tournament ? YES: Check scores progression and take a decision based on that and the tournament's format NO: Bump for next tourney |
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I know there is no fix to the system, which is why i usually dont do tournys since theres no points besides just having fun. Ive been level 87 for so long, i dont even know if its possible to go up levels anymore lmao. And i improve every session. |
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The fact that I can't read files at my skill level upsets me greatly. But I'm expected to play well on files above my skill level as well.
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My best aaa is a 77.
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So much FFRama
I remember the last OT I had barely reached D6 and thought I was gonna get clobbered by the perennially stacked division, was a fact I was one of the lowest ranked players in D6. Did the hard grind to claw my way to 12th place, and I never got AAA/BF etc. on any of those files. Even now my I'm still 3-4 levels below the people around me but I stay competitive because I keep the rust off with Etterna and don't play any worse in tourney scenarios. Division "boundaries" are a huge part of the problem, but having a lower skill rating doesn't mean you automatically can't score well on individual files. I've been in the high 80s for a long time but I've never felt that my skill level has been plateauing. Since I'm not an acc player it doesn't show up as well on the skill rating boards, but trimming down PBs on harder files is my sign of progress. If I use AAAs, my best ones are Shatterscape and Clocked, a pair of 78s. Then again, a tourney doesn't mandate playing at your skill rating's level, my best scores for this tourney specifically are still 4-5 levels below my current 89. You don't have to be at your absolute peak, you just have to be playing consistently well enough to not drop the ball on a particular song. If stagnation is a big issue I would recommend playing more regularly - I can't say that it will guarantee improvement but doing the opposite is definitely gonna prevent that. Can't just show up to a tourney and say "oh man I can't play things at my level, I'm really bad everyone else is so much better than me". The way this works is you should be comfortable playing files with a difficulty quite a bit higher than your actual skill rating, since your skill rating is AAA equivalency, which is below the song's difficulty if you aren't AAAing them. The same equivalency is granted by SDGing or even getting teens or 20s on harder songs. I don't aim for playing level 89 songs because they "match my skill level", due to my rating it would be assumed I could be AAAing them, which means they should be easy enough for me to do so at that point. I'm not an acc player, I wanna play harder things that I get in the 20s-30s range on since that's where I can best see improvements instead of crapshooting for the AAA. If you can't normally play songs of the same difficulty as your skill rating, meaning like at least SDG range, you're playing at a lower level than it says you are, and you need to get your butt in gear and not just shake off the rust but get yourself playing well again. If you've hit that level before, you can do it again. Just takes consistent effort. Before that happens, most comparisons to other people who are playing at their level and complaints about skill levels lack a foundation. |
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Lol rust. I play everyday.
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I'm glad I was able to get a couple of scores into my top 15 plays from this tournament!
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people who dont enjoy the current state of the ranking system should make a new thread discussing that in it.
i personally dont mind being low in my division. i love the tournaments and i want them to continue :) |
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But if you were actually a D5 player and now are a D6 player, there is a time where your -skill- was at the top of D5: Right before your skill was at the bottom of D6. But yes, technically if you were D5, and then without getting -any- good scores on D6 songs suddenly logged a bunch of top scores on D7 songs, you could in fact bypass being at the top of D6. |
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Don't worry guys I did enough winning for all of us years ago
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man i'm bummed because i've been busier than expected lately and i'm also having really silly offset issues so whatever scores i get for this tourney will be the only ones haha. i hope everyone enjoys the rest of the tourney!!
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Could you try turning the judge offset to Auto? Maybe it solves the issue.
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however i decided to be really stubborn earlier and i think i've improved my offset a lil bit. maybe there's a chance to get a couple better scores after all? we'll see!! |
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damn uh icy, ur lookin real close to d7 there
i wish i was good again still. i havent had a consistent stepmania setup in a couple weeks. oh yeah, hope everyone is challenging themselves, getting better, self improvement yadda yadda |
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Still waiting on Twissue to bump me down a place <3
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can't believe i actually clawed my way into top ten for d6 xD
but yeah... also waiting on several players to bump me down. not too much time left tho ;) idk how to la camp. can't figure it out man lmao! that song is killin my cumulative score right now. |
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i'm going to give it an honest go again tomorrow if i still have time after work haha
i'll have only like 1 or 2 hours to get some improved scores x.x maybe devonin will extend until server midnight :3 |
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honestly idk how i'll sleep tonight from this stress hahaha
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That's it for me. GG, everyone.
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GG, everyone! Thanks for the blitz tourney!
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gg
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Thanks everybody for the tournament! Credit Prize Math forthcoming, but here's our top 3 from each division that weren't ghosting or donating their token further down:
D1, Kauancpi, R80S, Whispy01 D2, One Death, hivife, ph03n1xm00n D3, Solarlake, thenoob27, floatiestring D4, snaphap, CDCan, storn42 D5, Kisun, Deamerai, Sistine- D6, suicidaln00b, Fallaise, Pizza69 D7, 11brendon, Matthia, xXOpkillerXx Please get in touch with RushyRulz for your tokens. Credit Prizing 10,000 credits each to all 83 participants who submitted all rounds but were not in the top 3. 1,000 credits each to all 17 participants who submitted at least one round but were not in the top 3. Top 3 Prizing: Each division gets a percentage of the total prize pool remaining after the participant prizes. D1 gets 8% D2 gets 10% D3 gets 12% D4 gets 14% D5 gets 16% D6 gets 18% D7 gets 22% The top 3 from each division will split that chunk of pool 50%/30%/20% Code:
1st 2nd 3rdPlease be patient for your credit prizes, I'm going to be getting ready now to be out of the house for a good couple hours, but I'll get everything out tonight. |
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At least I got top 10 d5, even if it was only 10th place xD
Playing on index is quite the challenge |
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cant believe i got sniped from 3rd at the last minute but it's nothing to be bitter about since i DID improve from this! congrats to everyone and thanks for the tournament!!
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Had a great time with my first tourney, it was excellent practice for the higher echelons. GG everyone :D
(since this is a shorter tourney, are the Vertex BETA/Fractured Sunshine tokens still being awarded?) |
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thanks for the tournament
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Oh haha I thought the tournament was going until 7 p.m. tonight since it had that in the Op, but on the tournament dashboard it says 7 a.m. xD good torney guys! Well played everyone! :D
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geegee
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full o salt but i guess i gotta git gud ggs y'all
time to catch up on levels |
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