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Rapta 05-29-2017 12:12 AM

How to hit walls of death without vibrating
 
I know how. I have a technique. Has this already been figured out?
If you successfully describe how I do it in the replies, I will tell you if you are correct or not, and if it ends up being that nobody knows how I do it, I will share the technique with you all.

Here is a video (skip to end wall of death section 3:20) showing the technique in action.



I could hit even faster if I wanted to as well.

How do I do it?

MikeShinoda12345 05-29-2017 12:31 AM

Re: How to hit walls of death without vibrating
 
is the technique "legit"? (not double-setup, etc)

Rapta 05-29-2017 12:32 AM

Re: How to hit walls of death without vibrating
 
It is legit.

Wayward Vagabond 05-29-2017 12:35 AM

Re: How to hit walls of death without vibrating
 
bs

Wayward Vagabond 05-29-2017 12:41 AM

Re: How to hit walls of death without vibrating
 
my guess was holding down the keys and adjusting the repeat time/delay but he said nope

evil smoke 05-29-2017 12:46 AM

Re: How to hit walls of death without vibrating
 
Are you using keyboard remapping? Look like quad vibrating to me though

TheSaxRunner05 05-29-2017 01:09 AM

Re: How to hit walls of death without vibrating
 
Get really fast? (Get Gud!)

inDheart 05-29-2017 01:26 AM

Re: How to hit walls of death without vibrating
 
palm rolling

Shadow_God_10 05-29-2017 04:09 AM

Re: How to hit walls of death without vibrating
 
He's clearly using his dick... No one could do that with their hands

MinaciousGrace 05-29-2017 04:32 AM

Re: How to hit walls of death without vibrating
 
if you didn't die it wasn't a wall of death

qed

Shadow_God_10 05-29-2017 04:34 AM

Re: How to hit walls of death without vibrating
 
^ immortality mayhaps?

klimtkiller 05-29-2017 04:43 AM

Re: How to hit walls of death without vibrating
 
fake

Rapta 05-29-2017 07:37 AM

Re: How to hit walls of death without vibrating
 
Not keyboard remapping

What is palm rolling?

DossarLX ODI 05-29-2017 08:35 AM

Re: How to hit walls of death without vibrating
 
A few key things to define:
- What does "legit" mean?
- What does "I could hit even faster if I wanted to as well" mean? From the looks of the frame placements that roll looks like it is around 210 BPM 64ths (whatever BPM Strangeprogram is).

In the video you're hitting cohesive quads and the way the quads were hit looked exactly like double setup. You also got 3 boos at the end of the roll when you quadrushed and only had the down arrow left. The changes in the notes getting hit with the quads are when there are the frame gaps.

There was a technique I had which involved a glitch where I didn't have to map any other keys or use double setup. I could hit more than 100 notes per second on one arrow with the glitch, and this is how I was able to get around 500 million grandtotal in 30 minutes on a test alternate account.

Rapta 05-29-2017 08:40 AM

Re: How to hit walls of death without vibrating
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DossarLX ODI (Post 4554987)
A few key things to define:
- What does "legit" mean?
- What does "I could hit even faster if I wanted to as well" mean? From the looks of the frame placements that roll looks like it is around 210 BPM 64ths (whatever BPM Strangeprogram is).

In the video you're hitting cohesive quads and the way the quads were hit looked exactly like double setup. You also got 3 boos at the end of the roll when you quadrushed and only had the down arrow left. The changes in the notes getting hit with the quads are when there are the frame gaps.

There was a technique I had which involved a glitch where I didn't have to map any other keys or use double setup. I could hit more than 100 notes per second on one arrow with the glitch, and this is how I was able to get around 500 million grandtotal in 30 minutes on a test alternate account.

It is not a glitch.
Legit as in it's legal to use. It is not a double setup.

EDIT: The technique is also not limited to cohesive quads either, it can be used for jacks or jump jacks too.

DossarLX ODI 05-29-2017 08:45 AM

Re: How to hit walls of death without vibrating
 
Ok, so what does "I could hit even faster if I wanted to as well" mean? What speed does it work up to?

Overlay setup has been used by several players to hit sections like Crowdpleaser's 64th trill and the zero framers in party4u v1.

Rapta 05-29-2017 08:48 AM

Re: How to hit walls of death without vibrating
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DossarLX ODI (Post 4554989)
Ok, so what does "I could hit even faster if I wanted to as well" mean? What speed does it work up to?

Overlay setup has been used by several players to hit sections like Crowdpleaser's 64th trill and the zero framers in party4u v1.

What is overlay setup?
I don't know the exact speed but I know I my max speed with this technique is shanghai moon 1.8 rate

DossarLX ODI 05-29-2017 08:52 AM

Re: How to hit walls of death without vibrating
 
Ok so that is almost 250 BPM 16ths. Basically, overlay setup is when you have a keyboard that is sensitive enough to allow for two fingers to hit on the same key without having to entirely lift up your finger.

When OWA played Crowdpleaser for example, he did a one-hand trill with two fingers on his right key and did the same for the left key. This means it's basically two 16th trills at 240 BPM on each hand, but only using two keys.

Similarly, it could be done for a roll except using four fingers on each hand, with two fingers for one button. It makes sense the max would be around 250 if it's utilizing one hand trilling like that.

Rapta 05-29-2017 08:54 AM

Re: How to hit walls of death without vibrating
 
Overlay setup is correct

Rapta 05-29-2017 09:01 AM

Re: How to hit walls of death without vibrating
 
Is there currently a tutorial on how to do overlay setup?

DossarLX ODI 05-29-2017 09:49 AM

Re: How to hit walls of death without vibrating
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Rapta (Post 4554993)
Is there currently a tutorial on how to do overlay setup?

Not that I know of. Some players here have used it before.

Shadow_God_10 05-29-2017 10:07 AM

Re: How to hit walls of death without vibrating
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DossarLX ODI (Post 4554991)
Ok so that is almost 250 BPM 16ths. Basically, overlay setup is when you have a keyboard that is sensitive enough to allow for two fingers to hit on the same key without having to entirely lift up your finger.


I'm a visual guy so looking at my keyboard (I use qwop) I would use all 4 fingers on qwop from pinky to index on qw on my left hand and index to pinky on op on my right? Is that how that works?

DossarLX ODI 05-29-2017 10:26 AM

Re: How to hit walls of death without vibrating
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Shadow_God_10 (Post 4555000)
I'm a visual guy so looking at my keyboard (I use qwop) I would use all 4 fingers on qwop from pinky to index on qw on my left hand and index to pinky on op on my right? Is that how that works?

For a roll on all four arrows, you'd need to use 8 fingers total.

In your case, you could do the following.

Left Hand
- Pinky and ring fingers for q
- Middle and index fingers for w

Right Hand
- Index and middle fingers for o
- Ring and pinky fingers for p

Because of how cramped and uncomfortable that setup is, it makes sense that the hits are mostly like quads.

Rapta 05-29-2017 10:34 AM

Re: How to hit walls of death without vibrating
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DossarLX ODI (Post 4555003)
For a roll on all four arrows, you'd need to use 8 fingers total.

In your case, you could do the following.

Left Hand
- Pinky and ring fingers for q
- Middle and index fingers for w

Right Hand
- Index and middle fingers for o
- Ring and pinky fingers for p

Because of how cramped and uncomfortable that setup is, it makes sense that the hits are mostly like quads.

Once you get used to it you won't have much trouble transitioning during songs, and it becomes more comfortable to use.

Rapta 05-29-2017 10:36 AM

Re: How to hit walls of death without vibrating
 
I will make a tutorial video on how to do it probably tomorrow.

MinaciousGrace 05-29-2017 02:16 PM

Re: How to hit walls of death without vibrating
 
tbh i prefer layover setup

that's where you huddle in a corner of a dubai airport for 9 hours between each note

rushyrulz 05-29-2017 02:31 PM

Re: How to hit walls of death without vibrating
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DossarLX ODI (Post 4554996)
Not that I know of. Some players here have used it before.

I used it to AAA PWND

Untimely Friction 05-29-2017 07:10 PM

Re: How to hit walls of death without vibrating
 
I'd argue that I don't think that's quiiiite legit, pretty sure that was described as 1 finger 1 button, 2 fingers 1 button while adhering to not double setup, and while requiring reasonably more skill, is still kinda crapbaskets, not everyone will have a keyboard that even allows it making this legit strat an actual expense, I don't think it should be outlawed to specify, but I'm not impressed at cheese, and there are a lot of other signs I've seen that rapta might DS, I'd really like a hands video of this strat, I don't see it as totally fesible to simulate cohesive quads at that speed with 8 fingers, it doesn't make sense to me, especially given the transition and near AAA of the pre vibra roll wall, but given you shoulda AAA'd the pre-vibra roll I can understand that you might have been setting up during that roll, it still seems pretty lame tho.

Edit: the other reason I feel this, but that might have been resolved, is that you're recently returning and I don't believe you have the stam for this yet, at least I'd seen you drop out of some files for stam reasons, but you doooo play a lot.

Really though posting this kind of thread, it's pretty reasonable to be asked to show a hand video heh

V-Ormix 05-29-2017 08:21 PM

Re: How to hit walls of death without vibrating
 
oh i was hoping you found a way to twitch jack with rist and compound motions better than me... I am disappointed :v

Rapta 05-29-2017 11:02 PM

Re: How to hit walls of death without vibrating
 
This is pretty bad for a tutorial but I can't do the tutorial I wanted because my good camera is being annoying.
Once I fix my camera I will do a professional tutorial

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sboRnEdQcdg

Rapta 05-29-2017 11:08 PM

Re: How to hit walls of death without vibrating
 
This is definitely a legit method, I have two god given hands and I am using the 4 keys mapped to the 4 receptors. I tried it with a Logitech k120 and it didn't work but again I got this keyboard so I wouldn't have the problem of not being able to press 3 or more keys at the same time, it makes playing unfairly hard because to attempt to hit triples or quads you have to hit two separate jumps or a jump and a note which can screw with you at high levels of play. This is a technique that would mainly be used at high levels of play as well. Also just because it is a somewhat difficult technique to learn, and you need a decent keyboard to do it with, doesn't disqualify this being able to be a "actual expense".

Rapta 05-29-2017 11:12 PM

Re: How to hit walls of death without vibrating
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Untimely Friction (Post 4555173)
Edit: the other reason I feel this, but that might have been resolved, is that you're recently returning and I don't believe you have the stam for this yet, at least I'd seen you drop out of some files for stam reasons, but you doooo play a lot.

Really though posting this kind of thread, it's pretty reasonable to be asked to show a hand video heh

The technique doesn't use much stamina
I posted a video that is unlisted but I linked it in the thread

Sidek 05-30-2017 01:15 AM

Re: How to hit walls of death without vibrating
 
i would like to see how than fast can vibrate attang using that way.

MinaciousGrace 05-30-2017 02:15 AM

Re: How to hit walls of death without vibrating
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Rapta (Post 4555427)
This is definitely a legit method, I have two god given hands

i do not consider invoking divine aid as legit

Rapta 05-30-2017 02:24 AM

Re: How to hit walls of death without vibrating
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by MinaciousGrace (Post 4555631)
i do not consider invoking divine aid as legit

lmfao

DossarLX ODI 05-30-2017 09:09 AM

Re: How to hit walls of death without vibrating
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Sidek (Post 4555625)
i would like to see how than fast can vibrate attang using that way.

That is dependent on whether or not a key will register when two fingers are hitting two different spots on the key. If it is the case that the keyboard allows two fingers to hit one key like that, it could go past 400 BPM 16ths for a jack if the player is already doing 200+ normally.

Shadow_God_10 05-30-2017 09:13 AM

Re: How to hit walls of death without vibrating
 
I doubt this would work on a laptop kb

Untimely Friction 05-30-2017 11:33 AM

Re: How to hit walls of death without vibrating
 
Okay I concede defeat, but it still doesn't look fun so screw that

Walrusizer 05-30-2017 11:53 AM

Re: How to hit walls of death without vibrating
 
but that requires you to use a disgusting key setup

YoshL 05-30-2017 12:28 PM

Re: How to hit walls of death without vibrating
 
people overlayed on shift for the crowdpleaser trill

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Rapta 05-30-2017 02:10 PM

Re: How to hit walls of death without vibrating
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Walrusizer (Post 4555658)
but that requires you to use a disgusting key setup

I am able to do overlay with my normal key setup of JKL:

Untimely Friction 05-30-2017 06:25 PM

Re: How to hit walls of death without vibrating
 
he's saying a spread layout that close is lame, most people prefer stuff like qwop askl I use 23/* or er89(numpad)

iCeCuBEz v2 06-19-2017 04:54 PM

Re: How to hit walls of death without vibrating
 
I was actually gonna guess overlay

That ideas been around forever but props to coming up with it on your own.

I consider it legit for ffr.... (only cuz crowdpleaser and a few other things)

Not legit for stepmania though.


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