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TheRapingDragon 06-24-2016 01:12 AM

The UK is leaving the EU
 
I'm not sure how many of you follow UK/European politics (I know I don't), but yesterday we had a vote on whether or not to leave the European Union. Known colloquially as 'Brexit' or 'British Exit'.

The votes have been counted since 22:00 last night and, as of right now, after around 33 million counted votes, the vote to leave has won. This is the biggest decision the UK has made in recent history. We're leaving the European Union.

Predictably, the value of the pound has plummeted to the lowest since around 1985.

Scotland is already talking about another vote for independence, with the idea that their newly independent country could seek to apply to the EU.

As for right at home for me, certain parties in Northern Ireland are talking about trying to get a 'united Ireland' with the Republic of Ireland, but Ireland are part of the EU and so there are obvious problems there.

This could also lead to the troubles coming back. During this referendum there was talk of having to put the border back up between the North and South of Ireland, with any trade between going through checks.

Worst case scenario, if Scotland gain independence and Ireland block us, I'm essentially going to be living in the middle, stuck in a country with no clear allegiance and people on all sides fighting to side with England, with Scotland, with Ireland or the European Union. It's going to be bedlam.

Thoughts?

SpaceGorilla 06-24-2016 01:14 AM

Re: The UK is leaving Europe
 
madness ensues
i predict a modern revolutionary war; if not with tanks then in written letters among parliament


riots in the streets


people eat more ramen noodles


oil prices... idk they'll probably change

MinaciousGrace 06-24-2016 01:15 AM

Re: The UK is leaving Europe
 
how big were the engines they had to build and how far out to sea did they have to go to get out of european waters

gold stinger 06-24-2016 01:16 AM

Re: The UK is leaving Europe
 
Was busy watching it the entire time, as well as stuff reddit was reporting.

some of the stuff pulled off of reddit:

Official results at http://www.bbc.com/news/politics/eu_referendum/results




storn42 06-24-2016 01:20 AM

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If the UK is no longer a part of Europe does that mean we have 8 continents now?

TheRapingDragon 06-24-2016 01:26 AM

Re: The UK is leaving Europe
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SpaceGorilla (Post 4444434)
riots in the streets

This will likely happen here. Put it this way, if there are riots when City Hall take down a flag then there are going to be riots over sovereignty.

Quote:

Originally Posted by storn42 (Post 4444450)
If the UK is no longer a part of Europe does that mean we have 8 continents now?

European Union /= Europe. Europe is the landmass whereas the EU is a collection of countries. Not every country in Europe is part of the EU.

ItsOnlyDanO 06-24-2016 01:32 AM

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To be honest, I was convinced last night that Remain was going to win, but waking up this morning and seeing that leave has won was a little bit of a shock. Most of the people that I know voted remain and now can't quite believe it and think the world is going to end. Think that's a bit of a overreaction but it's still early days yet so who knows. I guess now it's all about the following questions:

What happens to Cameron now? What will he do now knowing his campaign has lost?
UPDATE: He's resigning. Hardly a surprise considering the outcome. A new leader by october as well, no doubt planning for that will begin very soon.

What's going to happen in terms of the economy? Obvious the pound has already dropped, but for how long? What about jobs?

Will it spark a wave of referendums with other countries? France and Greece already came to mind, The Netherlands as well are also thinking about it, maybe it could be the beginning of the end for the EU?

Truly a day in history for the UK here, but I guess it remains to be seen if it's a good day in history.

bmah 06-24-2016 04:11 AM

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Keep in mind, the process of leaving the EU doesn't happen overnight. I heard it can take around 2 years, upon the duration of which Britain is still a part of the EU. Right now, stock markets are overreacting in comparison to the time it'll take for actual change to occur, but the effects will nevertheless be real and far-reaching beyond Britain's borders.

Also I think Cameron is resigning right around now...

MinaciousGrace 06-24-2016 04:16 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TheRapingDragon (Post 4444464)
European Union /= Europe. Europe is the landmass whereas the EU is a collection of countries. Not every country in Europe is part of the EU.

you should explain this to the person who made the thread

TheRapingDragon 06-24-2016 04:36 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by MinaciousGrace (Post 4444537)
you should explain this to the person who made the thread

Just a slip-up on the title. My mind isn't always fully awake at six in the morning. For those pernickety few it has now been fixed.

nolimits112 06-24-2016 05:01 AM

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Was so sure we would stay. Well, here we go I suppose. Such a massive mistake in my opinion. And Now BoJo for PM? God, I'm not optimistic at all.

j-rodd123 06-24-2016 06:40 AM

Re: The UK is leaving the EU
 
im not well educated on this at all but from my very limited knowledge it seems like a dumb decision

also shocked to see cameron resign

Soundwave- 06-24-2016 06:45 AM

Re: The UK is leaving the EU
 
There has and will be short term economic effects.

Long term economic effects will likely be null, only because economics doesn't really care about anything but money in the end.

Social effects are anyone's guess but mine.

Political effects outside Europe are basically non-existent, especially in the long term.

As for political effects in and around the UK, I don't know, I'm pretty sure the majority of people in the UK don't know. We'll see. Hopefully legal changes don't become too much of a problem for people over there.

EDIT: I also don't see any effects of this being good in the long run because most of the pro-leave points that I found in my albeit very limited research seem to be more towards fear-mongering then actually fixing real problems with real solutions but I have no idea what the political situation is over there so hey.

HeZe 06-24-2016 06:53 AM

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Fucking yes! About time to say goodbye to arbitrary directives and regulations from Brussels. Hopefully this will challenge the great politicians in EU to think what went wrong. In an ideal situation EU will change to be less dominative against it's member countries.

True independency is a great richness.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ItsOnlyDanO (Post 4444472)
Will it spark a wave of referendums with other countries? France and Greece already came to mind, The Netherlands as well are also thinking about it, maybe it could be the beginning of the end for the EU?

More possible candidates:
+ Danes
+ Austrians

In future, EU will split and there might come a new or possibly a few smaller free trade unions but let's see

Kekeb 06-24-2016 07:30 AM

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God save the Queen. One step closer to sovereignty.

Globalists literally BTFO.

Coolboyrulez0 06-24-2016 08:43 AM

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brexit boys

Gundam-Dude 06-24-2016 02:32 PM

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https://medium.com/@washingtonpost/t...053#.qp3gzpz6s

smh

also an interesting read of projected aftermath: http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...m-uk?CMP=fb_gu

dAnceguy117 06-24-2016 11:01 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Kekeb (Post 4444595)
God save the Queen. One step closer to sovereignty.

Globalists literally BTFO.

I will probably never know if u are serious

MixMasterLar 06-24-2016 11:43 PM

Re: The UK is leaving the EU
 
I hate to comment on the subject because A-I'm in Florida and have no real life experience anywhere near there and B-while I have made an effort to read up on the subject most of what I have been, cough, fortunate I'll say, to find online is hella biased in one direction or the other. I did find one link that seemed to put it as plainly as can be:

http://webcache.googleusercontent.co...trip=0&vwsrc=0

TRD, can you confirm that this is pretty much what the talking points are?

MrPopadopalis24 06-25-2016 12:05 AM

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They are still a part of nato. I dont think they will have much to worry about.

Kekeb 06-25-2016 09:00 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by dAnceguy117 (Post 4444932)
I will probably never know if u are serious

My post was facetious, but I do think this was the best outcome for Britain.

A vote for remain was a vote for the merchant bankers.

God save the Queen.

MarioNintendo 06-25-2016 04:13 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by MrPopadopalis24 (Post 4444964)
They are still a part of nato. I dont think they will have much to worry about.

holy fuck popadop <3

j-rodd123 06-25-2016 04:14 PM

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thats not plopadop

MixMasterLar 06-25-2016 07:36 PM

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non-Plopadop makes a good point though.

Honestly --- without commenting on what the best choice was --- I don't see this has tearing down the entire UK. I think after 5 years it'll be fine for them. 5 years for a country ain't that big of a deal.

V-Ormix 06-25-2016 10:41 PM

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Soundwave- 06-25-2016 11:38 PM

Re: The UK is leaving the EU
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by MixMasterLar (Post 4445468)
non-Plopadop makes a good point though.

Honestly --- without commenting on what the best choice was --- I don't see this has tearing down the entire UK. I think after 5 years it'll be fine for them. 5 years for a country ain't that big of a deal.

Tearing down a country is kinda hard tbh. I don't think anybody should be legitimately worried about that.

Reach 06-26-2016 11:37 AM

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I'm Canadian, but the EU looked like a sinking ship to me for quite some time.

Also, the pound has since stabilized at the same level it was in about April. It has been going down all year anyway. Given the likely monstrous amount of money that was lost on bets on top of people completely overreacting to the market consequences of this move, a drop seemed pretty inevitable.

I'm not worried about the UK. Could be good in the long run to get out early if the entire thing goes tits up. Trade will be fine.

There's also lots of time to fuck this up and prevent the UK from leaving anyway. Guess we'll see what happens.

kommisar 06-27-2016 09:10 AM

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The markets will recover over time anyways. I personally had little to no opinon about the brexit since both sides had sensible arguments (aside from racist scare tactics the leave camp used which is nothing short of tyrannical).

Their success apart from the EU will ultimately depend on how they approach new trade deals with everyone and overall relationships with countries heavily invested in their markets. I don't personally agree with the way the EU does things since they don't cater well to members proportionately. Greece was the best example of this; they needed reform and stimulation, not austerity. Germany benefits from other countries cutting spending but it's not representative of the needs of other countries that could use a boost (I realize things are different for the UK since they didn't use the Euro, but other regulations imposed by the EU could be detrimental if it doesn't answer the needs of the country).

What interests me is what will happen to northern Ireland and Scotland. Another Scottish referendum is inevitable at this point since their initial reason for voting to stay last time was due to EU membership. Now that's out the window, how high will the next results for independence be?

Northern Ireland even considering joining the mainland is unheard of. The catholic/protestant fight may take a new chapter or maybe they'll set differences aside and finally sort of coexist.

lofty rhino 06-27-2016 09:16 AM

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whats the yuck without ew?

j-rodd123 06-27-2016 09:52 AM

Re: The UK is leaving the EU
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Reach (Post 4445793)
I'm Canadian, but the EU looked like a sinking ship to me for quite some time.

Also, the pound has since stabilized at the same level it was in about April. It has been going down all year anyway. Given the likely monstrous amount of money that was lost on bets on top of people completely overreacting to the market consequences of this move, a drop seemed pretty inevitable.

I'm not worried about the UK. Could be good in the long run to get out early if the entire thing goes tits up. Trade will be fine.

There's also lots of time to fuck this up and prevent the UK from leaving anyway. Guess we'll see what happens.

And that's why you always can move into gold before something like this happens and it almost always goes up. People love gold, which only really has historic value now that we print money based on GDP since like the 70s. But most ppl don't know that and feel it synonymous with value so gold always rises in uncertain times

j-rodd123 06-27-2016 09:53 AM

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Also my friend made 9k betting on this outcome, must be nice


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