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Arch0wl 06-20-2015 08:14 AM

1017 in 60 seconds I did it I FUCKING DID IT
 


for context:

- this is bare-handed, this drumpad is way harder to hit than a keyboard key

- maintaining a bare handed rate of even 900 in 60 seconds is really difficult because the hits need to be clean

- only like 30 people worldwide have broken 1000 with sticks http://www.extremesportdrumming.com/...=20&dispnum=10

- the bare-handed world record is 1140, the sticks world record is 1210

and most importantly

wrist curls work

dynam0 I'm looking at you babe

god damn hands are still shaking

SHIT

SKG_Scintill 06-20-2015 08:15 AM

Re: 1017 in 60 seconds I did it I FUCKING DID IT
 
nerd and your real life

danceflashrevo 06-20-2015 08:24 AM

Re: 1017 in 60 seconds I did it I FUCKING DID IT
 


Alternatively,



But in reality,


Dynam0 06-20-2015 08:47 AM

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lmao

DossarLX ODI 06-20-2015 10:29 AM

Re: 1017 in 60 seconds I did it I FUCKING DID IT
 
If the sticks world record is 1210 that's 302.5 BPM 16ths, so that is quite an indicator on how hard it is to register a hit.

Arch0wl 06-20-2015 10:43 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by DossarLX ODI (Post 4328239)
If the sticks world record is 1210 that's 302.5 BPM 16ths, so that is quite an indicator on how hard it is to register a hit.

yes. it's not quite as hard as registering a hit on a rock band drum pad with your bare hands, but it's close.

keep in mind, also, that's 302.5 bpm 16ths for 1 minute -- clean hits, so like judge 5 comboing

doing 300 bpm 16ths for 1 minute is vastly different than doing 300 bpm 16ths for 20 seconds, or even 30 seconds. I'd often have no issue at 1000/minute speed for 40 seconds then stall at that point

a lot of index stream in stepmania is no more than 10-20 seconds long -- even if it were ten 10-second streams with breaks in between, those breaks make an enormous difference

if they had a competition for 30-second speed or 20-second speed I'm sure you'd see the record hit 340+bpm 16ths

PhantomPuppy 06-20-2015 12:21 PM

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1k in a minute...

what the hell.

Charmoeleon 06-20-2015 02:35 PM

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sweet Jesus the speed is real

Dynam0 06-20-2015 03:16 PM

Re: 1017 in 60 seconds I did it I FUCKING DID IT
 
Vertex would be able to break 1100, maybe even 1200 but it depends on the force required so I can't be certain. (He can do index streams at ~300 casually which is 1200 taps in a minute).

demonllama6124 06-20-2015 04:49 PM

Re: 1017 in 60 seconds I did it I FUCKING DID IT
 
video or gtfo

ShadowDueler97 06-20-2015 05:00 PM

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Goddamn that's insane

mrpreggers 06-20-2015 06:44 PM

Re: 1017 in 60 seconds I did it I FUCKING DID IT
 
time for some barehanded taiko

Arch0wl 06-21-2015 12:29 AM

Re: 1017 in 60 seconds I did it I FUCKING DID IT
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dynam0 (Post 4328348)
Vertex would be able to break 1100, maybe even 1200 but it depends on the force required so I can't be certain. (He can do index streams at ~300 casually which is 1200 taps in a minute).

I am confident that vertex could break 1100 bare-handed but beyond that I'm not sure, because the strokes you can make in 20 seconds are nothing like the strokes you can make in 40 seconds which are nothing like the strokes you can make in 60 seconds, so it's hard to predict. compare this to sprinting: Usain Bolt's 200m time is exactly double his 100m time, but his 400m time (45.28) isn't even in the top 3000.

I will say this though: I think the speed limit is way, way higher than we currently realize. my conclusion used to be the opposite, but that was before I knew how muscular endurance is trained. I started training my bare-handed speed in January, and in 6 months I've increased my speed from 900 to 1017 training this way -- I had plateau'd at 900/minute for five years prior to this year, so we're obviously not utilizing training techniques to the best of our ability.

(if my progression keeps going at the rate it is, I could break 1140 by January 2015, but I seriously doubt I can maintain this rate of progression. with that said, I think the potential world record for bare-handed speed is much, much higher than 1140.)

Rapta 06-21-2015 12:47 AM

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I predict that someone from fifty or so years from now will look at this and be like "this scrub couldn't even break 1500."

but keep in mind that is when all drugs are legalized like steroids and our robots do jobs for us so everyone can sit at home and do whatever they want (in this case someone who likes doing this) and get endless practice.

Quote:

January 2015,
Don't you mean 2016?

Red Blaster 06-21-2015 01:10 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by mrpreggers (Post 4328434)
time for some barehanded taiko

:cool:

Arch0wl 06-21-2015 02:30 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Rapta (Post 4328655)
Don't you mean 2016?

no I intended to travel back in time

Arch0wl 06-21-2015 03:09 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Rapta (Post 4328655)
when all drugs are legalized like steroids

steroids are estimated to have something like a 1.15x multiplier on maximum strength

which doesn't sound like much, but that can turn a 650lb deadlift into a 750lb deadlift. adding 100lb to your deadlift at that weight is, frankly, insane, and the multiplier becomes more advantageous the higher you go in the sport.

if this multiplier held for hand speed we'd be going from 1140/minute to 1311/minute -- lol.

anecdotally, going from 900/minute to 1020/minute felt like it did when I was improving my bench press from mid-100s to low-200s; as in, it felt like about the same amount of work. given that there are at least 50 people worldwide who have bench pressed over 600lb, I feel like we're drastically under our potential.

that's also because I suspect our training methods haven't been even close to ideally utilized. I suspect this because reverse wrist curls are in some ways analogous to grip training, which very few people in the lifting world do.

grip training is typically measured by captain of crush grippers. only something like 150 people worldwide have closed the #3, about a dozen have closed the 3.5, and like half a dozen people have closed the 4.

I recall an anecdote of a strength trainer who took a set of CoC grippers to a bodybuilding convention, and most couldn't close the 2.5 -- some couldn't even close the 2.

grip training is somewhat analogous to this game because lots of things improve grip -- namely, carrying around heavy shit. so, you'd think construction workers and such would have excellent grip strength, and compared to regular people they do. but past a certain point, as I've mentioned countless times in my "how to train your hands" posts, they won't have enough volume to continue to train their grip strength, and as such they won't develop past what they're required to do for their labor jobs.

my friend who does construction was able to close the same grip shit I was about 4 months ago, and I've been training considerably since then, so I could probably out-grip him now. since I know that the grip ceiling is way, way higher than my current grip strength (I'd be lucky to close a CoC 2.5) and I've experienced a similar phenomenon with training bare-handed stroke speed, I feel like the bare-handed speed ceiling is equivalently high.

the reason I feel it's high is because construction in this scenario is analogous to drumming. construction jobs probably have, on average, some of the most developed grip of most occupations, because it's used for their job. but past a certain point, their arms will have adapted to the loads and they won't get any additional volume required to develop their grip. you will use your grip to the extent it's useful to build roads or buildings or whatever, but you won't use your grip to develop your grip.

drumming is similar, because unless you deliberately train to do so you won't use your hand speed to a degree where it's non-musical. most of the fastest drummers are people who have not explicitly trained for WFD -- in fact, I'd be surprised if most of these guys have ever picked up a barbell. past a certain point, you won't get the volume your arms need to get faster merely by drumming for songs. you have to ignore musicality and go out of your way to give your arms that volume independent of your drumming practice.

so, I think a veteran construction worker could close a captain of crush #2, but not much more than that, because it's not required for the job. a CoC #2 is 195lb. if people can close up to 350lb of resistance, that says a lot about the ceiling for grip strength vs. grip strength when developed for practical purposes.

and since many of the drummers who break 1000 are completely untrained, and mike mangini (with resistance training) was able to break 1200, I think we are not even close to peak human potential, since there is an obvious break in the WFD rankings where one person has 1200 and the next highest guy has 1100 -- when you see that sort of thing, it's either (a) superhuman genetics or (b) a huge difference in training methods, but since hand speed hasn't been competitively trained whatsoever (nevermind to the extent that, say, bench press has) I think we're really, really far behind what's possible.

of course, there is a variable here: we don't know if the arm speed developed by drumming is comparable, relative to the ceiling, to grip strength used by construction workers. I suspect it's far less, actually, since construction workers have some degree of resistance (by lifting heavier objects) while drummers quickly meet a threshold of musicality where there is no purpose to drumming faster.

my reverse wrist curl strength is, maybe, 25% of the maximum reverse wrist curl (RWC) strength that's been performed. obviously we are not assuming a 1:1 between RWC and speed, but that I have so far to go and have been able to break 1000 should indicate that we are far from reaching peak hand speed.

personally, I think we are at maybe 75% of the maximum attainable speed for this sort of thing, and that's being generous.

(wow this is a lot of text -- probably gonna clean it up and repost it as a thread later, once I'm not drunk)

Rapta 06-21-2015 03:17 AM

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I honestly can't contain my hype for what the future holds in terms of progress!


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