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Re: Why is misanthropy not considered bigotry?
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Re: Why is misanthropy not considered bigotry?
Can you explain, in a non-assholeish way, what you think I'm not understanding? I honestly think you're deliberately ignoring a lot of the things I say.
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We're all legitimately trying. We're not trying to be rude, especially me. But every time we try to explain what you're not understanding, you go off in a tangent or say something that's not valid. You think you understand, but your rational discourse is unclear.
I'll try one more time. The original argument (even if you understood already I'm just gonna reiterate): - Logical hatred is possible. - Hate is a natural human emotion, and there's nothing wrong with hate itself. - If someone is harmed as a result of a feeling of hatred, that is wrong. - Therefore, misanthropy itself could potentially be justified. What you can't grasp: - When we compared two things, we explained how it applied to the topic. You said the analogy was not valid, but you didn't convince us how it wasn't valid. Like the human/oyster example, you said humans are different from oysters, but then you don't ever compare it back to the oyster. I turned your human argument into an oyster one by changing a few words, and you never addressed why that wasn't valid. - A generalization about an entire group does NOT necessarily apply to each individual of a group. Whether or not the generalization is negative is irrelevant. - Just because one has a negative generalization of a group of people does not mean they will treat this group unfairly. They can draw conclusions about what is likely, but ultimately give each individual person a fair chance. This is possible. |
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If you claim that the human case is different, then there should be something that you can say about humans that does not apply to oysters.
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Try the following exercise: Take any argument you think applies to humans but not oysters. Change the wording like I did here so that it applies to oysters in the context of our discussion. Challenge yourself to see our position. You may find that almost everything you say about one you can about the other (in relevance to the topic). |
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You can also do that exercise the other way around to see what we're trying to say. Here's the point Rubix was trying to make that you called a straw man:
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faulty_generalization http://www.logicallyfallacious.com/i...generalization I'll just be clear: you can generalize all you want if the only results that come from your generalization are in the form of safety for you. Like in the case of the oyster. That's reasonable. It needs to be questioned if it can have other consequences to other people, and hateful ideals often have physical consequences, unless the person keeps their feelings to themselves. Quote:
I don't have a problem with misanthropes that just want to avoid people and live their lives, but if they try to spread hateful notions and use poor justifications for it (like many bigots do in reality, as you surely know) I will question them. So, is there any other problem? |
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Notice how while we agree with your concepts, we don't agree with how you present them. You need to work on your rational discourse. |
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Alright. Now, the question I must ask is: if hateful ideas against people can cause problems if they spread, isn't it better to question the motivation behind the hatred of people whenever possible?
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And to this I say of course, but unfortunately hate is just as natural a human emotion as happiness, sadness, pain, sexual arousal, etc. You can't possibly stop a human from feeling hatred. The only thing you can realistically do is prevent people from acting on it negatively. So while I agree with what you said, I think it's totally unrealistic. |
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Totally aside to the current arguing, what I find weird about what you've said, Zaevod, is that you've stated that to use your emotions for views is somehow the incorrect way to do it.
I mean, if I were to only use logic when determining values, and everyone else were to also do the same thing, humanity itself wouldn't give a shit if it lived or died. You simply cannot and -should not- discount emotions or emotional arguments when it comes down to such discussions, because they are integral to it. |
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