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I'd rather talk on mic, i can't take you guys' and your keyboard trolling serious, add me if you're able to, skype name is L2eality.
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Pop: need a spot to isolate discussion when other religious threads devolve into the same old debates
take it here instead |
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I'm actually pretty curious as to why people still believe in higher powers.
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I'll start off by saying historically, more bad things have come from religion than good, therefore it is an infectious disease that we seeminly get within the first few years of our lives that lasts until high school/college for most people (nowadays). It does more harm than good, and while the philosophies might be good, we don't need religion to teach us them. |
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RB, if you're a christian I suggest reading the Bible.
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Half the shit in the bible doesn't even apply to modern christianity anyway. Most of this is the damning anti-gay crap along with the silly haircut laws etc.
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Reading the Bible will make you an atheist, if you're religion's main book is the Bible, anyway.
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My religious beliefs are pretty... arbitrary. I won't bother mentioning it here though since I have a hard time seeing people here respecting what I truly believe. I have only mentioned it to two people, whom are my closest friends of the many that I have made in my life.
I will say that I am not atheist though. |
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like many belief systems or political ideologies, they are usually passed down from family to family if you remain ignorant as to not build your own viewpoint but rather blindly accept the beliefs of your ancestors or local communities to be true. what's the term for this passing down of belief systems via family, reincarnate? It eludes me right now. |
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I respect people's right to believe what they want to believe.
I don't respect religion. (o: |
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It's really, really hard to be both scientifically literate and theist at the same time because you start to see why religion simply isn't needed to explain anything you think it might
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I would like to take this moment to formally apologize for any batshit crazy arguments I made in the past. I am definitely not atheist, but all the logical evidence is on that side. I wish Christians could just accept the Bible is flawed beyond repair and just focus on the basic tenants, i.e. God made us and wants us to love everyone so we can all live in paradise. The end. |
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don't equate atheism to science tho lol
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Beliefs are beliefs. I can't call myself atheist, more agnostic really. Pure atheists annoy me more than the average religious person does btw since they scoff at any other belief other than "there is no god/deity/supreme being"
To me if you have your own beliefs and they allow you to live a happier and fulfilled life then who the fuck cares. Just don't go cramming it down other people's throats or judging someone on what they believe, regardless of how wrong it might be. |
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On a less serious note, something that I think all "camps" (atheists, agnostics, theists) can laugh about:
http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/checkmate-atheists |
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There are plenty of atheists who are still dumb as shit when it comes to scientific literacy -- in which case I would say they are right, but for the "wrong" reasons. Of course I fall into the camp of those who think that people should be able to back up why they believe what they do. |
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@Reincarnate
I take a pragmatic stance because we haven't attained an answer to confirm or deny a supreme being. That would be my why anyways :p |
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Well, facts are facts. You can't dispute facts. They're the same for me, the same for you, and the same for everyone -- considering that we all share the same reality. As for "solid evidence," there's plenty of it. We know for a fact that our Earth formed from accretion, and this is something you can even look out and see happening in space. The cool thing about astronomy is that you can look back in time due to the way the speed of light works. You can see galaxies/planets/stars undergoing all sorts of different stages of life. Our planet is no exception, as we're just one of many, many, many, many. |
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Then I kindly ask you to read this and get back to me (it's one page and will take you no more than a couple minutes) http://www.godlessgeeks.com/LINKS/Dragon.htm |
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It pisses me off when I'm at my aunts house because she's so adamant about "setting me right again with God." But my mom's just like "hey I respect your beliefs but I'll still pray for you," and leaves it at that. |
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I call myself agnostic so I can say a hail mary on my death bed and at least have a shot at getting to heaven.
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Overly athiest people annoy me more than overly religious people I respect any one thats a part of a religion or belief and respects other peoples religions or beliefs even if they don't agree Hate those fucking athiests that are the most retaliative elitist people in any instance that religion is even mentioned lmao. Got their own stereotype |
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IMO it comes down to what you mean by "respect."
Do I "respect" your beliefs? Well, by this it means I won't treat you unfairly because you believe in God, because that belief in itself is harmless. It's not affecting me any more than your preference for ice cream. It's what you want to believe -- so be it. However, if your belief involves something where you think it's your "right" to impinge on me, or that your God "speaks to/for you" and justifies your ability to screw with me... there's no way in hell I respect that. Dawkins is an asshole, but basically this: |
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I wouldn't care if the universe were created or not anyways. It shouldn't influence how I live my life should it? I see direct physical consequences to actions, none of this 'fate' crap. No divine intervention here. Although as that article says, what is evidence anyways? In the end it's simply a belief and I am probably trying to impose mine on others too much now. See ya :p |
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This applies to infinitely many things. We can't disprove Thor, we can't disprove Zeus, we can't disprove Yahweh, we can't disprove the Flying Spaghetti Monster, we can't disprove the Parallel Dimension of Blue Hedgehogs, etc. There are many things we don't believe it because we have no reason to believe in them until shown otherwise. Most atheists are technically agnostic atheists -- "We don't believe in Gods, but we don't know for certain." Atheists don't know for a fact that there is no God, but they also don't know for a fact that we all aren't just brains in jars undergoing an Experience Engine Matrix, either. Again, though, until some reason presents itself, why give any one arbitrary evidence-less idea credence over another? |
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many would not consider me religious because i do not attend or belong to any church or formal religious organization, but i have had many religious experiences. i understand what many call "God". my experiences are very real, very concrete, tactile, actual, tangible. there is a fabric that holds us all together, this fabric is god. through god "we" have come into being and through god "we" will no longer be. god is us and we are god. our short earthly lives are filled with the majesty of eternity. we are vessels of god's almighty being. whether we are aware of it or not, we know the farthest stretches of the universe. we know what energies lie beyond, for we are the embodiment of this eternal energy. eternally changing, we are the sum of all existence. when you wake up on a sunny spring morning and the sun caresses your face, know that the sun knows you, for you are one with the stars and the sun.
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you might see more if you just close your eyes
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I like to think that there is a God.
I find it to be intellectually boring to use God as an answer for everything. And I kinda dislike the type of people that will try to convert you or whatever, I find this to be as scary than skinheads filled with hatred toward everything that is alternative to them. Still I use to think that there is a God. Also saying there are plenty of bad things that came with religion, implying that religion is more "bad" than "good" is a somewhat simple position to hold. I guess you think the "bad" you consider that emanated from religion had nothing to see with the ignorance of some people or merely the social context around it and all ; most of historical facts have a STRONG historical context to it and I don't think things would have been less... "bloody" if people didn't believed in a supreme being, they believed the beliefs at the time because they had no other way around. All that was about having beliefs about how the world was functioning ; Then people used religion to legitimate wars and genocides and some shit like that, it doesn't mean religion was essentially bad but that religion was usually used as a tool to serve the interest of the power that led a said country, region, etc. Rome was a super polytheist country and they didn't made their wars in the name of gods. Still their manners were VERY rough and all. tl;dr stop making historical reductionism/cum hoc ergo propter hoc sophisms. PLEEEAAASE The one and only problem I can see is how people can believe in something and force you to it, no need to believe in a religion to do that. As for me God can be a company. It's just there to fill the emptiness I can find sometimes. And I'm really hostile toward any so-called proof pretending that God exists. 100% of the arguments that are saying "IT'S THE ABSOLUTE PROOF OF THE EXISTENCE OF A SUPREME BEING" are bullshit. I don't know what exactly my definition of God can be, probably not a "supreme being that has all the powers", but this is still there and I like to preserve my belief. I also have a sincere sympathy for people that believe in god and all, I respect religion, I like the ideas religion can give, how it can make your mind think about new horizons and all. That's what I like about it. |
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all hail the almighty flying spaghetti monster
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never fear, adlp is here
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the people who say they are atheist because they read the bible are the same people who say they are christian because they read the bible
so im doubting any of you ever read the bible in full lol stop trying to be profound like that |
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if you read the bible as a non-fiction piece, I don't understand how you could possibly believe in it after finishing
it's obvious that god is not benevolent and all-powerful |
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Any rational reading of the Bible makes it pretty abundantly clear that if you take it as any more than mere allegory, you believe in some really weird shit
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I'd like to point out a few things that I noticed in the previous thread that bothered me.
A theory is just theory: A theory is a well-substantiated explanation accounting for a body of well-substantiated facts. (Someone in previous thread said "just a theory". As Asimov said once: "Creationists make it sound as though a 'theory' is something you dreamt up after being drunk all night". That's in no way the case.) Atheism is a belief/religion: Atheism is as much a belief/religion as non-existence is existence. The non-existence of a deity is implicit and inherent, the existence of one is yet to be proven. Believing in the presence is just that; belief. There's no belief required to not believe (herp derp). |
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Love and be loved. The Bible truly is a work of art and there is a reason why it is the greatest story ever written regardless if its content is accurate or fabricated. The Bible's purpose isn't to justify its validity as most naive people suggest, but rather to express the meaning of what 'love' really is and God's overwhelming abundance of it. "For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved." John 3:17 "We love, because He first loved us." John 4:19 A perfect example to understand this concept would be to imagine if you had a son or a daughter. Wouldn't you love your child? Wouldn't you do anything to protect your own flesh and blood and try to do what's best for them? That natural love that you feel for your children comes from the love that God has for us, for we are all children of God. Everything is connected. Do not deviate from one another, instead try to understand that we are all pieces of a whole. We must work together as a team if we are to ever experience true bliss. Isn't that what we all seek in life? |
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The internet is the only place I run into religion. I tend to avoid all things religion. I believe that it is a huge waste of time.
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And even so, there's nothing in your statement that proves that you're right about the existence of a god (or your reasoning for that matter). It's circular logic. edit: There's just so many things floaty about your statements I don't even know where to begin to counter it. |
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The Bible tells us to place our faith in God and not in ourselves. Man’s way is a road to death and God’s way is a road to eternal life. This is good enough for me because my faith creates a 'peace of mind' . This peace of mind leads to my happiness :) Do you agree that when ones mind is not at peace, one can not be as happy as one whos mind is at peace? |
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Top Ten Signs You're a Fundamentalist Christian
10 - You vigorously deny the existence of thousands of gods claimed by other religions, but feel outraged when someone denies the existence of yours. 9 - You feel insulted and "dehumanized" when scientists say that people evolved from other life forms, but you have no problem with the Biblical claim that we were created from dirt. 8 - You laugh at polytheists, but you have no problem believing in a Triune God. 7 - Your face turns purple when you hear of the "atrocities" attributed to Allah, but you don't even flinch when hearing about how God/Jehovah slaughtered all the babies of Egypt in "Exodus" and ordered the elimination of entire ethnic groups in "Joshua" including women, children, and trees! 6 - You laugh at Hindu beliefs that deify humans, and Greek claims about gods sleeping with women, but you have no problem believing that the Holy Spirit impregnated Mary, who then gave birth to a man-god who got killed, came back to life and then ascended into the sky. 5 - You are willing to spend your life looking for little loopholes in the scientifically established age of Earth (few billion years), but you find nothing wrong with believing dates recorded by Bronze Age tribesmen sitting in their tents and guessing that Earth is a few generations old. 4 - You believe that the entire population of this planet with the exception of those who share your beliefs -- though excluding those in all rival sects - will spend Eternity in an infinite Hell of Suffering. And yet consider your religion the most "tolerant" and "loving." 3 - While modern science, history, geology, biology, and physics have failed to convince you otherwise, some idiot rolling around on the floor speaking in "tongues" may be all the evidence you need to "prove" Christianity. 2 - You define 0.01% as a "high success rate" when it comes to answered prayers. You consider that to be evidence that prayer works. And you think that the remaining 99.99% FAILURE was simply the will of God. 1 - You actually know a lot less than many atheists and agnostics do about the Bible, Christianity, and church history - but still call yourself a Christian. |
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Damnit, this thread was getting juicy too....
0, you had to derail it you bastard... |
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Sanguinary circumstances will always exist because religion will always exist. Religion will always exist because humans are by definition capable of free will. Whether you believe in one God, multiple Gods, or no God, a belief is still a belief and when you get multiple people together who share a similar belief, that is what essentially makes up a religion.
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You say, "The non-existence of a deity is implicit and inherent, the existence of one is yet to be proven."
I say, the non-existence of a deity is also yet to be proven. |
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edit: "God's love" is killing millions of people in the bible due to their using of free-will (which he gave them) and sending countless people to spend eternity in hell, also for using free-will. |
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-Steven Weinberg Also see the video I posted earlier about why faith is a pretty dangerous concept |
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Asking someone to disprove something as a deity is virtually impossible btw
but so is proving a deity |
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But do you have any good reason to believe in them? How do you "prove" something doesn't exist? And once you answer that question -- what good is a belief in something that can't be disproven? Do you realize why this is worthless as a truth claim? |
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