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gnr61 02-14-2013 10:53 PM

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hahah its funny bcause u guys obv have a complex where u think uve disproved something as big as god on ffr like get over yourselves for real ur not that smart bros god is a tough subect to crack

Reincarnate 02-14-2013 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by adlp (Post 3861930)
seems there is a lot of things that you don't understand

enlighten me

adlp 02-14-2013 10:55 PM

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oh Shit did i just get Called Out

Xx{Midnight}xX 02-14-2013 10:55 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by adlp (Post 3861930)
seems there is a lot of things that you don't understand

There's a lot of things no one understands

goose_goldwing 02-14-2013 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by JJTrixX (Post 3861925)
Dawkins says he want a morality that can be discussed reasoned and so on based on "itelligent design". Yea that sounds good to a viewing audience being mindful and respectful to his response and so they clap as a reaction to the very first bias atheist who initiates the clap with intent of social support, but by who? Who will be this group of deciders who reason and discuss what the new form of morality will be? Who will be this new spokesperson for this so called 'intelligent design'? No man will be more perfect nor lacking of sin nor more loving then he who is Jesus Christ, the son of God.

2 Timothy 3:16-17 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for teaching, reproof, correction, and instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly equipped to perform every good work.

Thread # 136 bro.

Nullifidian 02-14-2013 10:58 PM

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It was fun while it lasted

Reincarnate 02-14-2013 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by JJTrixX (Post 3861925)
Dawkins says he want a morality that can be discussed reasoned and so on based on "itelligent design". Yea that sounds good to a viewing audience being mindful and respectful to his response and so they clap as a reaction to the very first bias atheist who initiates the clap with intent of social support, but by who? Who will be this group of deciders who reason and discuss what the new form of morality will be? Who will be this new spokesperson for this so called 'intelligent design'? No man will be more perfect nor lacking of sin nor more loving then he who is Jesus Christ, the son of God.

2 Timothy 3:16-17 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for teaching, reproof, correction, and instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly equipped to perform every good work.

It's pretty obvious you didn't really take in anything that's been said to you / the point of those videos.

Bah someone else can pick this up, I don't have the time/patience for this anymore, lol. Peace

Choofers 02-14-2013 11:03 PM

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Lol I'm not picking this up either, I got a sandwich to eat and a ton of family members to blow off because of my lack of morals

Reincarnate 02-14-2013 11:05 PM

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brb going to find/kill choofers for his sandwich because i'm a godless bloodluster

Choofers 02-14-2013 11:05 PM

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this sandwich will be eaten before you get here, hohohohoh !!

Nullifidian 02-14-2013 11:09 PM

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Then he'll just kill you for the hell of it cause fuck morals

Dynam0 02-14-2013 11:11 PM

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Basically in order to be theistic, you need to have faith in the divine. Thus, there needs to be a belief of the supernatural in order for divine intervention to occur. Look up James Randi or any other expert who deals with the supernatural (from a logical and evidence-based approach) and you'll find that there is no substantiated evidence to suggest any supernatural phenomenon.

That being the case, every damned word written in the Bible or any religious texts for that matter came from a HUMAN BEING. Thus all moral philosophies, whether you're Christian, Jewish, Muslim, or Peanut Butterist, come from human and only human origins.

/thread

JJTrixX 02-14-2013 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Reincarnate (Post 3861940)
It's pretty obvious you didn't really take in anything that's been said to you / the point of those videos.

Bah someone else can pick this up, I don't have the time/patience for this anymore, lol. Peace

I listened to what has been said and I watched a few of those videos, i just don't agree with everything those atheists have said. It's all good though, it's always fun for me to partake in these discussions but it's not like you're gonna disprove my beleif in God to me just like im not gonna convince you of my faith.

I am glad to see these discussions can be held up with some form of decency rather then have it escalade to an aggressive hate/troll thread. I still find the world to be a much better place so long as your faith is in something good rather then excercising your religion as an excuse or a scapegoat to do something horrible. Most atheists seem to group true believers with those who falsely claim their faith.

peace n love

Ohaider 02-14-2013 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by adlp (Post 3861936)
oh Shit did i just get Called Out

i nostalgiad all over the place when i saw you avi

jesus christ

gnr61 02-14-2013 11:24 PM

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i've always been kind of baffled by the idea that atheists inherently lack a moral backbone. if the only reason for your morals existing is that they're written out for you from on high, then they must be intrinsically totally arbitrary. or else they must have some kind of extradivine rationality to them, in which case they can be realized and followed independently of whether someone ascribes to that theology. morality is a moot point in arguing for the existence of god

book 02-14-2013 11:45 PM

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rushyrulz 02-15-2013 05:29 AM

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Originally Posted by JJTrixX
faith and other words

I basically condensed and compiled some walls of text from other threads on this topic mainly from cry4eternity and rubix, here ya have it:


I'm Gonna talk a bit about faith as a concept. The dictionary definition of faith is “belief that is not based on proof.” Personally, when dealing with topics such as these I prefer to replace the word "proof" with "evidence," simply because somebody always pulls the "100% certainty" argument. For the purposes of this post, let's not assert anything with 100% certainty. Proof, or evidence, in this case would be anything that elevates the status of a claim so that it is not immediately dismissible.

Belief in a claim that has no support is faith, regardless of your reasons. Belief in a claim that has evidentiary support can also be faith, but then it depends on your reasoning. If you believe this claim simply because of the authority of who tells you, or some other similar fallacy, then you also have some degree of faith, depending on the trustworthiness of your source. However, if you decide to do a little research and evaluate the evidence firsthand, then your belief is not faith-based. Also keep in mind that the basis of your belief has absolutely nothing to do with its validity. That being said, here's what I want to say.

I don’t think a faith-based belief in anything is ever justified. Why do so many people feel that it is somehow innately "good" to have a faith-based belief? I see a faith based belief as simply "believing for the sake of believing." If this belief also happens to be correct, then it is simply a coincidence. The claim may have been made with the intent of figuring out the truth, but the belief is not. If at any point the belief does become supported by evidence, it is no longer faith by the definition I stated before.

"It's called faith because it's not knowledge." - Christopher Hitchens

Based on the above definition, this seems to follow logically. To me, this "argument" is similar to beating a dead horse that everybody claims is still alive. I’m just trying to gain insight on why so many people still disagree with me.



Any belief that isn't somehow ground in evidence is wholly arbitrary and has no bearing on whether something is actually true or false. Some people are OK with believing possible delusions if it means having a happier life. I don't see any problem with that unless they start forcing their views on others in some form.

Personally, I find the truth liberating. Knowing and understanding that there might not be an afterlife makes me realize how precious my time here is. It's pretty amazing; the parts that compose your body have basically been floating around for billions of years, and only now, for this short sliver of time, have they come together to make YOU. It's a pretty long time to wait for such an opportunity.

But for some people, that idea is scary. To those people, believing in an afterlife or a God or something faith-based is the only way to remain sane. That's fine. I think faith-based beliefs are completely OK as long as you aren't doing yourself or others a disservice. Some lies are harmless. Others aren't.

codcrille 02-15-2013 02:43 PM

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Never got why some people have to make not being religious such a big deal, if anything atheists who constantly brag about their intelligence and flashes The God Delusion around as their Bible are just as annoying as door knocking cult recruiters. Long ago I used to count myself an atheist, but I've realized I'm not, I simply don't care.

I hate it when people feel the need to bash passively religious people for their beliefs in the same way it annoys the shit out of me every time someone starts the "Why the fuck don't you eat meat, it's so stupid" every time a vegetarian is present at a dinner table.

0 02-15-2013 03:03 PM

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the flying spaghetti monster will smite you all


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