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RB_Spirit 02-14-2013 05:48 PM

Re: Atheism/Theism thread
 
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Originally Posted by Reincarnate (Post 3861527)
It's really, really hard to be both scientifically literate and atheist at the same time because you start to see why religion simply isn't needed to explain anything you think it might

I'm definitely open to atheism, i just find it rather hard to believe any given thing cited from a scientist, just as i find it hard to believe in any given religion thats' only supposed facts are from a book. Everyone in the lent thread definitely misunderstood me when i opened this debate, i meant to be as FAIR as possible, not rant about my religious beliefs(Which i don't have)

Coolboyrulez0 02-14-2013 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Choofers (Post 3861526)
I respect people's right to believe what they want to believe.

I don't respect religion. (o:

Also this, plus from my experience, at least in real life, if you out yourself as a an atheist, people wish to convert you or damn you to hell instead of the other way around.

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Originally Posted by MrPopadopalis25 (Post 3861531)
If you look at it purely as a work of literature, the bible is actually pretty cool.

Most definitely one of the best pieces of fiction ever written.

j-rodd123 02-14-2013 05:49 PM

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don't equate atheism to science tho lol

Dynam0 02-14-2013 05:49 PM

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Beliefs are beliefs. I can't call myself atheist, more agnostic really. Pure atheists annoy me more than the average religious person does btw since they scoff at any other belief other than "there is no god/deity/supreme being"

To me if you have your own beliefs and they allow you to live a happier and fulfilled life then who the fuck cares. Just don't go cramming it down other people's throats or judging someone on what they believe, regardless of how wrong it might be.

j-rodd123 02-14-2013 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Dynam0 (Post 3861535)
Beliefs are beliefs. I can't call myself atheist, more agnostic really. Pure atheists annoy me more than the average religious person does btw since they scoff at any other belief other than "there is no god/deity/supreme being"

To me if you have your own beliefs and they allow you to live a happier and fulfilled life then who the fuck cares. Just don't go cramming it down other people's throats.

and this post is pretty much me too

Reincarnate 02-14-2013 05:51 PM

Re: Atheism/Theism thread
 
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Originally Posted by RB_Spirit (Post 3861532)
I'm definitely open to atheism, i just find it rather hard to believe any given thing cited from a scientist, just as i find it hard to believe in any given religion thats' only supposed facts are from a book. Everyone in the lent thread definitely misunderstood me when i opened this debate, i meant to be as FAIR as possible, not rant about my religious beliefs(Which i don't have)

The difference is that science is based in hard evidence, whereas religion is not.

RB_Spirit 02-14-2013 05:51 PM

Re: Atheism/Theism thread
 
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Originally Posted by Dynam0 (Post 3861535)
Beliefs are beliefs. I can't call myself atheist, more agnostic really. Pure atheists annoy me more than the average religious person does btw since they scoff at any other belief other than "there is no god/deity/supreme being"

To me if you have your own beliefs and they allow you to live a happier and fulfilled life then who the fuck cares. Just don't go cramming it down other people's throats or judging someone on what they believe, regardless of how wrong it might be.

I 100% respect that about you, and i'm basically on the same boat as you as far as beliefs go.

Coolboyrulez0 02-14-2013 05:52 PM

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On a less serious note, something that I think all "camps" (atheists, agnostics, theists) can laugh about:

http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/checkmate-atheists

RB_Spirit 02-14-2013 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Reincarnate (Post 3861537)
The difference is that science is based in hard evidence, whereas religion is not.

Yeah, i understand that. But i'm not the kind of person that will take proclaimed facts word for word, i'm more of a hands on person, i would need solid evidence of my own to form a particular belief, guess i'm never going to have beliefs on how this world was formed. .___________.

Reincarnate 02-14-2013 05:53 PM

Re: Atheism/Theism thread
 
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Originally Posted by Dynam0 (Post 3861535)
Beliefs are beliefs. I can't call myself atheist, more agnostic really. Pure atheists annoy me more than the average religious person does btw since they scoff at any other belief other than "there is no god/deity/supreme being"

To me if you have your own beliefs and they allow you to live a happier and fulfilled life then who the fuck cares. Just don't go cramming it down other people's throats or judging someone on what they believe, regardless of how wrong it might be.

If you've paid attention to the political landscape of the USA, however, it's pretty clear that the religious influence over things is a far, far greater evil than "the annoying atheist who makes fun of you."

There are plenty of atheists who are still dumb as shit when it comes to scientific literacy -- in which case I would say they are right, but for the "wrong" reasons. Of course I fall into the camp of those who think that people should be able to back up why they believe what they do.

iironiic 02-14-2013 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Dynam0 (Post 3861535)
Beliefs are beliefs. I can't call myself atheist, more agnostic really. Pure atheists annoy me more than the average religious person does btw since they scoff at any other belief other than "there is no god/deity/supreme being"

To me if you have your own beliefs and they allow you to live a happier and fulfilled life then who the fuck cares. Just don't go cramming it down other people's throats or judging someone on what they believe, regardless of how wrong it might be.

Bingo. And likewise for me. This sums up the thread well. Props.

Dynam0 02-14-2013 05:56 PM

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@Reincarnate

I take a pragmatic stance because we haven't attained an answer to confirm or deny a supreme being. That would be my why anyways :p

Reincarnate 02-14-2013 05:57 PM

Re: Atheism/Theism thread
 
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Originally Posted by RB_Spirit (Post 3861541)
Yeah, i understand that. But i'm not the kind of person that will take proclaimed facts word for word, i'm more of a hands on person, i would need solid evidence of my own to form a particular belief, guess i'm never going to have beliefs on how this world was formed. .___________.


Well, facts are facts. You can't dispute facts. They're the same for me, the same for you, and the same for everyone -- considering that we all share the same reality.

As for "solid evidence," there's plenty of it. We know for a fact that our Earth formed from accretion, and this is something you can even look out and see happening in space. The cool thing about astronomy is that you can look back in time due to the way the speed of light works. You can see galaxies/planets/stars undergoing all sorts of different stages of life. Our planet is no exception, as we're just one of many, many, many, many.

bballa48 02-14-2013 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Reincarnate (Post 3861542)
If you've paid attention to the political landscape of the USA, however, it's pretty clear that the religious influence over things is a far, far greater evil than "the annoying atheist who makes fun of you."

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Agreed, and it needs to stop.

Reincarnate 02-14-2013 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Dynam0 (Post 3861547)
@Reincarnate

I take a pragmatic stance because we haven't attained an answer to confirm or deny a supreme being. That would be my why anyways :p


Then I kindly ask you to read this and get back to me (it's one page and will take you no more than a couple minutes)

http://www.godlessgeeks.com/LINKS/Dragon.htm

Choofers 02-14-2013 05:59 PM

Re: Atheism/Theism thread
 
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Originally Posted by Dynam0 (Post 3861535)
To me if you have your own beliefs and they allow you to live a happier and fulfilled life then who the fuck cares. Just don't go cramming it down other people's throats or judging someone on what they believe, regardless of how wrong it might be.

I really wish this was the way religions worked but, unfortunately, a goal of almost every religion is to gather more followers.

It pisses me off when I'm at my aunts house because she's so adamant about "setting me right again with God." But my mom's just like "hey I respect your beliefs but I'll still pray for you," and leaves it at that.

rushyrulz 02-14-2013 06:02 PM

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I call myself agnostic so I can say a hail mary on my death bed and at least have a shot at getting to heaven.

Ohaider 02-14-2013 06:02 PM

Re: Atheism/Theism thread
 
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Originally Posted by Dynam0 (Post 3861535)
Beliefs are beliefs. I can't call myself atheist, more agnostic really. Pure atheists annoy me more than the average religious person does btw since they scoff at any other belief other than "there is no god/deity/supreme being"

Shit, this.
Overly athiest people annoy me more than overly religious people

I respect any one thats a part of a religion or belief and respects other peoples religions or beliefs even if they don't agree

Hate those fucking athiests that are the most retaliative elitist people in any instance that religion is even mentioned lmao. Got their own stereotype

RB_Spirit 02-14-2013 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by rushyrulz (Post 3861559)
i call myself agnostic so i can say a hail mary on my death bed and at least have a shot at getting to heaven.

lmfao dead!!!!


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