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Wayward Vagabond 02-18-2013 01:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Reincarnate (Post 3863827)
...but at the end of the day they simply don't care.

which is what makes arguments like this pointless to be in. watching them though is a completely different story

Reincarnate 02-18-2013 01:03 AM

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I don't even find them fun to watch anymore because they usually unravel the same way, and it honestly just makes me depressed that we're so far behind other first-world countries when it comes to this crap, lol. We'll get there eventually, but it's so long overdue.

FFRN00B90210 02-18-2013 01:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Reincarnate (Post 3863835)
I don't even find them fun to watch anymore because they usually unravel the same way, and it honestly just makes me depressed that we're so far behind other first-world countries when it comes to this crap, lol. We'll get there eventually, but it's so long overdue.

pretty much man

Choofers 02-18-2013 06:10 AM

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"Do not take the lord's name in vain" is pretty ironic considering how vain "the lord" actually is.

Choofers 02-18-2013 06:12 AM

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Also I want to post this.
http://www.fstdt.com/

There are some hilarious quotes on the top 100 page. Actually, they're all hilarious.

"Mathematics is also great proof of God. How is it possible that:

98
x72

can be figured out by carrying a digit over the top? What if that didn't work? How would we multiply without calculators?

If carrying over the one on top of the 9 did not work, how would we multiply? Seems awfully convenient to me that it "just happened" like that?"

xVaLoRx 02-18-2013 11:22 AM

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"No, God's Penis is not a biological organ. I never said God's Penis was the same as man's penis. Obviously it wouldn't be. That is why I pointed out God has a Holy, Righteous Penis. That is to say, it's not the same as man's corrupted, fleshy one. "

what

Cavernio 02-18-2013 01:37 PM

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"God exists in everyone. Do I think atheists are bad people? Absolutely not. Do I think they are currently lost? Absolutely."

If you didn't emotionally feel God's love, would you still believe in God? If you never felt good when you prayed, if you lost the ability to love, would you still believe in God?

I lost my religion not because I suddenly thought 'God probably doesn't exist'. I thought that God probably didn't exist long before. I believed in God because god felt so damned real. I lost faith because of physiological problems and I got very depressed. I looked for God for a long time after that, quite a few years, before having to accept that all that wonderful emotion I felt was NOT God existing in me but me fooling myself, or in others words me perhaps just me loving myself through imagination. Beliefs are very strong and they ultimately reside in your emotions. If you never got emotionally attached to God, you wouldn't have faith, and I can't imagine why you'd ever follow a religion. That becomes so clear when you lose your emotions or they go all wonky.

I'm sure at this point you're going to pray for my soul or some such no matter what I say jj, but I just can't believe such crazy stuff like Jesus was God's son and when he died our sins are forgiven. Am I lost? No.

Devonin, you have a very jaded view of belief in God, and you seem to fail to understand that most people who believe in God have the ultimate thing that everyone wants in life, love. Forever, always, undying love. Forget about all the bullshit, about all the rules and weird beliefs. All that matters to them is that they're in love with the supreme being of all existence, and they feel God's love back.
What you say about fear is true for some people and for much of christianity so I understand, but my church never fed us fear. Can't bring to mind a single instance.
If you want to make a religious person not have faith, it's like trying to tell someone not to love their kid. It's not going to happen unless some sort of serious bubble is broken for them personally.
I suspect that for most people there's the possibility that God may exist is more than enough to make someone believe the feelings they'd have planted in them since they were kids have to be because of God. Also doesn't help that there's plenty of mystique in existence.


JJ, I get that people aren't perfect, that we know next to nothing, etc, that we can't trust ourselves to possibly even know what the BEST thing is in terms of morality. I even get that that means we have to put our trust in God...if God were something that actually exists. Atheists can accept that we don't know, that we can't fathom so many things. But they don't accept that that means there HAS to be something out there that knows us and that has a plan. It seems like you're restricting your mind because it's too hard to not believe in God. If you can accept that God just exists and has no beginning or end, then it's no harder to accept those same things of existence.

One last thing, fundamentalist christianity's not going to die in the US. They don't believe in birth control.

BOSS_pjpaveloffga 02-18-2013 02:57 PM

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I want to tell you guys a little story.

Many years ago I got stranded in a parking lot because my car wouldn't start. I had no phone and it was a neighborhood that I was not familiar with. I had nowhere to go or call. All of a sudden after sitting in the parking lot for about 20 mins, a tow truck comes down the street and sees me.

The guy said to me, "Boy you are very lucky. I never ever ever ever come down this street. Usually I turn on the street before this one every night but I missed it tonight so I made the next right. This never happened in all my 20 years on the job."

To me, that was God sending me help despite the fact he is still remaining hidden and I can't see Him anywhere.

How else can someone explain that? A guy decided to come down a street he never turned down in 20 years and it just happened to be at the exact moment I was stuck? What if he turned down the street before that like he did every night for 20 years?

He even told me "I don't know how I missed that turn. Usually it's like clockwork and I don't even have to think about it."
Obviously god exsists.

Mollocephalus 02-18-2013 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Cavernio (Post 3864052)
Devonin, you have a very jaded view of belief in God, and you seem to fail to understand that most people who believe in God have the ultimate thing that everyone wants in life, love. Forever, always, undying love. Forget about all the bullshit, about all the rules and weird beliefs. All that matters to them is that they're in love with the supreme being of all existence, and they feel God's love back.
What you say about fear is true for some people and for much of christianity so I understand, but my church never fed us fear. Can't bring to mind a single instance.
If you want to make a religious person not have faith, it's like trying to tell someone not to love their kid. It's not going to happen unless some sort of serious bubble is broken for them personally.
I suspect that for most people there's the possibility that God may exist is more than enough to make someone believe the feelings they'd have planted in them since they were kids have to be because of God. Also doesn't help that there's plenty of mystique in existence.

What you say about the emotional attachment to religion is quite interesting and also very true for many people, but please do remember that the same people who are in undying love with god may also fall prey to the fear of the punishment. The great love of god is even sometimes used to justify actions that are in normal occasions by the same people deemed as sinful. Coercition through emotional channels goes both ways.

The point is, whether one, or the other, or both are in effect for one person, that one person is in a big loophole. Moral values aren't really understood and radicated inside them, they are rather accepted as a whole with the faith, similarly to how you would accept a license of agreement. That's what makes it so dangerous.

noname219 02-18-2013 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by BOSS_pjpaveloffga (Post 3864081)
I want to tell you guys a little story...

You just got lucky. It's a coincidence.

I see religion is an anthropomorphic concept.
When one cannot understand something about life, it is rassuring to simplify by a notion you can understand such as christianity or God for example.

Reincarnate 02-18-2013 03:53 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by BOSS_pjpaveloffga (Post 3864081)
I want to tell you guys a little story.

Many years ago I got stranded in a parking lot because my car wouldn't start. I had no phone and it was a neighborhood that I was not familiar with. I had nowhere to go or call. All of a sudden after sitting in the parking lot for about 20 mins, a tow truck comes down the street and sees me.

The guy said to me, "Boy you are very lucky. I never ever ever ever come down this street. Usually I turn on the street before this one every night but I missed it tonight so I made the next right. This never happened in all my 20 years on the job."

To me, that was God sending me help despite the fact he is still remaining hidden and I can't see Him anywhere.

How else can someone explain that? A guy decided to come down a street he never turned down in 20 years and it just happened to be at the exact moment I was stuck? What if he turned down the street before that like he did every night for 20 years?

He even told me "I don't know how I missed that turn. Usually it's like clockwork and I don't even have to think about it."
Obviously god exsists.

Coincidence.

Believe it or not, rare events happen all the time when you have a sufficiently large number of trials. By that I mean if you were to just blindly throw a basketball over your head across the court many many times, you'd make a couple shots by sheer luck alone. Of course, you ignore all the times you miss, and only pay attention to when you make it and say that somehow God was involved.

Same applies to that situation you speak of -- it's lucky that the guy made a wrong turn when you happened to be stuck, but you are ignoring all the other times when no external help was present when you were in a bind (which happens a lot more often).

It's sort of like when people use this reasoning:
"I prayed for a sunny day and I got a sunny day. God responded to my prayer!"
"I prayed for a sunny day and got a rainy day / nothing changed. God works in mysterious ways and must be punishing me for my selfishness."

In the end, the entire framework is totally indistinguishable from chance, which means the situation with God is exactly the same as the situation without God.

BOSS_pjpaveloffga 02-18-2013 03:55 PM

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I do not demand evidence. If an atheist had my experience, they would chalk it up to an extremely coincidental coincidence and get on with their day while saying "still no evidence for God" while God does a facepalm.

Reincarnate 02-18-2013 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by BOSS_pjpaveloffga (Post 3864106)
I do not demand evidence. If an atheist had my experience, they would chalk it up to an extremely coincidental coincidence and get on with their day while saying "still no evidence for God" while God does a facepalm.


Do you understand what is meant by the phrase "the situation without God is indistinguishable from chance / a situation without God"?

BOSS_pjpaveloffga 02-18-2013 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Reincarnate (Post 3864111)
Do you understand what is meant by the phrase "the situation without God is indistinguishable from chance / a situation without God"?

Obviously just some atheist way of discrediting my miracle

Reincarnate 02-18-2013 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by BOSS_pjpaveloffga (Post 3864113)
Obviously just some atheist way of discrediting my miracle

Okay this thread is devolving into trollbait, fuck it lmfao
(as if it hadn't already)

Mollocephalus 02-18-2013 04:07 PM

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You guys... that was obviously a troll.

Reincarnate 02-18-2013 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Mollocephalus (Post 3864116)
You guys... that was obviously a troll.

Poe's Law, man.

It's seriously impossible to tell them apart anymore because so many of them actually use those arguments

BOSS_pjpaveloffga 02-18-2013 04:08 PM

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herp
http://www.freeratio.org/showthread....62#post6863162

JJTrixX 02-18-2013 05:48 PM

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When an atheist rejects belief in God, he rejects any source of confidence beyond his own level of reasoning or understanding. The thinking atheist will forever be questioning the origin of the universe, will be perplexed regarding morality, and will be unsure of his own destiny and purpose in life.

I know a Christian who had a friend who was an atheist. As the two discussed the issue of atheism vs. Christianity, the Christian man showed the atheist a passage in Romans 1. Romans 1 explains that so-called atheists, among others, actually “by their unrighteousness suppress the truth. For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them” (Rom. 1:18-19). How has God shown Himself to them? “His invisible attributes, namely his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse. For although they knew god, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened. Claiming to be wise, they became fools.” The Christian told the atheist, “The reason you don’t believe in God is that you don’t want to.”

Wayward Vagabond 02-18-2013 06:03 PM

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the reason i dont believe in god is because i have no reason to lol.


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