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sniper_wolf 06-14-2004 04:26 PM

Humans are monsters
 
What are we? Can we as humans really be classified as moral beings? I myself doubt it. I mean think about it for a moment. We are murderers. What do we do when we see a nastly little bug running around? Lets say it was a cockroach in your home. We see it and kill it without a single thought. Without hesitation. How about a mosquito sucking the blood from your arm. Our initial reaction is to slap the piece of $hit and kill it. Okay let me restate what I just said, our initial reaction to kill it, to bring death upon the poor creature. Poor? You may be asking yourself why did I use that sort of terminalogy. Well have you ever considered the fact that a mosquito is a parasite. Sucking blood from its victims is exactly what it does to live. It probably meant you no harm it was only trying to sustain its life. Sure it was only a mosquito but a life is a life no matter how big or how small. Most people don't seem to understand that. We also as a society have a tendency to murder our own kind for stupid reasons such as greed and envy. This further classifies us as the appelation that our society wishes to punish and eliminate.
Humans are monsters. We go around raping the world that we live in of its natural resources. Our population increases and we tear down forests (other living creature's habitats) to make more room for our accomodation. So I ask thee are humans really all that great?

GuidoHunter 06-14-2004 05:26 PM

Yes, we really are great. You must remember that humans are animals, too, and most everything negative you said about humans applies to the rest of the animal kingdom. However, we are great because of everything we've developed, including the ability and desire to undo negative things that we've already done. Also, one of the great things up with which humans came is morality itself, the very thing which you say we violate.

Another thing I'd like to mention is that I think we are better than all the other creatures of the world (i.e. cockroaches, mosquitos, etc.), so I have no problem killing them if they inconvenience me. We've come too far to bow down to the lower life forms.

In conclusion, humans rule.

--Guido

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dancingmaniac3 06-14-2004 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by GuidoHunter
In conclusion, humans rule.

very well put

aleco 06-14-2004 05:34 PM

Why are humans equal to other animals? Granted, we aren't close to perfect, but we do have dominion over animals
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Yes, we really are great. You must remember that humans are animals, too, and most everything negative you said about humans applies to the rest of the animal kingdom. However, we are great because of everything we've developed, including the ability and desire to undo negative things that we've already done. Also, one of the great things up with which humans came is morality itself, the very thing which you say we violate.

Another thing I'd like to mention is that I think we are better than all the other creatures of the world (i.e. cockroaches, mosquitos, etc.), so I have no problem killing them if they inconvenience me. We've come too far to bow down to the lower life forms.

In conclusion, humans rule.
Massive pride. Another side effect of hunger. Grab a Snickers.

alvask8er 06-14-2004 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by sniper_wolf
Lets say it was a cockroach in your home. We see it and kill it without a single thought. Without hesitation. How about a mosquito sucking the blood from your arm. Our initial reaction is to slap the piece of $hit and kill it. Okay let me restate what I just said, our initial reaction to kill it, to bring death upon the poor creature. Poor? You may be asking yourself why did I use that sort of terminalogy. Well have you ever considered the fact that a mosquito is a parasite. Sucking blood from its victims is exactly what it does to live.

Ok it makes sence, but you also realize how much they outnumber us? It really doesnt matter if one of us kills a cockroach or a mosquito. It really wouldnt matter if everyone did. Cockroaches already have the reputation of being "unkillable." Sure the mosquito it just trying to live, but what other things can it do other than just live to be a parasite? THat is what separates humans really. We have potiental to be more than just a life, going off of instincts. Like GuidoHunter said, we are just better than all the other creatures of the world.

DracIV 06-14-2004 07:32 PM

Life is a battleground. If that mosquito is drinking *my* life for *her* kids. I am definately gonna kill her! Tribal instincts make her an enemy automatically, survival instincts make her an enemy always. No animal would care if it killed us, excluding kin bonds formed from closeness, and so why should we care about killing an individual one of them? Animals routinely fight and kill because that's how you win the game. We're no different than them in our failures, but we surpass them because he *have* successes, and they do not.

RenmazuoGK 06-14-2004 11:25 PM

I don't think the case of the Mosquito is the best example you should be using. Sure, it's trying to live, but so are we. Some Mosquitos are known to carry deadly diseases, how do we know that that mosquito wasn't one of them. If, through some freak occurence, I accidently kill you for the survival of myself and others, would you think I am an animal?

Omeganitros 06-14-2004 11:29 PM

Once again, it comes back to the Good/Evil Paradox.

To the Good side, they think they are good and the Evil side are evil.
To the Evil side, they think they are good and the Good side are evil.

And the thing is, there's no way to tell who's right and who's wrong. There is no fact in either Good or Evil.


But of course, everyone knows all of that stuff.

DracIV 06-15-2004 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by RenmazuoGK
... would you think I am an animal?

You are an animal, and so is every single other human, but now you face manslaughter charges.

sniper_wolf 06-15-2004 10:34 AM

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Life is a battleground. If that mosquito is drinking *my* life for *her* kids. I am definately gonna kill her! Tribal instincts make her an enemy automatically, survival instincts make her an enemy always. No animal would care if it killed us, excluding kin bonds formed from closeness, and so why should we care about killing an individual one of them? Animals routinely fight and kill because that's how you win the game. We're no different than them in our failures, but we surpass them because he *have* successes, and they do not.
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I don't think the case of the Mosquito is the best example you should be using. Sure, it's trying to live, but so are we. Some Mosquitos are known to carry deadly diseases, how do we know that that mosquito wasn't one of them. If, through some freak occurence, I accidently kill you for the survival of myself and others, would you think I am an animal?
Okay it seems like everyone is against me on this one, but for now i'm just gonna respond to the two quotes above. First of all, what are you talking about Drac? Tribal instincts? Survival instincts? Its just a mosquito for God sakes. Even if it is "drinking your life" its pretty much impossible for it to kill you. Yes I agree with you that animals routinely fight and kill, but they do it for a good reason. They fight and kill so that they can provide food for themselve's or their young. In that sense its okay because its part of the life cycle. But when you compare them to us we kill for no good reason. If we're walkin outside and we see this nasty looking bug or even a spider our first reaction is to just step on it. It didn't harm us in any way, but we kill it regardless. Our race is the cause of the extinction of numerous species worldwide. Now I ask you why did we kill of these species? Was it for food or simply for greed? Most of the time it was greed. Our race would kill elephants, take their ivory tusks to sell and leave the rotting carcass in the sun. I don't see anything humane in that.

Now on to what Renmazuo said. I understand how mosquitos could carry deadly diseases but is it necessary to kill them? How do we deal with people in our society with STD's? We don't kill them we merely stay away from them. Now I know you couldn't do that with a mosquito but couldn't you merely shake it off and walk away. Why condemn things to death for problems that they DON'T intentionally bring upon us?

Jam930 06-15-2004 12:02 PM

It's just a mosquito, put it out of its misery.

It IS a life. But it's not really conscious and well... it's a bug.


Intelligent, self-aware animals like dogs should not be killed. That's just wrong, but when it's something like a mosquito... sigh*. Honestly, who cares.

You're saying a life is a life no matter how big or how small.

How about this. I will let 2 mosquitos live in exchange for your life.

PM me with your decision.

IAMTHEEVILBEAN 06-15-2004 12:05 PM

Your body is constantly killing things inside of you.

You can't help it.

Laharl 06-15-2004 12:22 PM

Re: Humans are monsters
 
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Originally Posted by sniper_wolf
What are we? Can we as humans really be classified as moral beings? I myself doubt it. I mean think about it for a moment. We are murderers. What do we do when we see a nastly little bug running around? Lets say it was a cockroach in your home. We see it and kill it without a single thought. Without hesitation. How about a mosquito sucking the blood from your arm. Our initial reaction is to slap the piece of $hit and kill it. Okay let me restate what I just said, our initial reaction to kill it, to bring death upon the poor creature. Poor? You may be asking yourself why did I use that sort of terminalogy. Well have you ever considered the fact that a mosquito is a parasite. Sucking blood from its victims is exactly what it does to live. It probably meant you no harm it was only trying to sustain its life. Sure it was only a mosquito but a life is a life no matter how big or how small. Most people don't seem to understand that. We also as a society have a tendency to murder our own kind for stupid reasons such as greed and envy. This further classifies us as the appelation that our society wishes to punish and eliminate.

About killing bugs:

Mindless insects replenish at such a rate, it's absolutely insane. If you feel remorse for crushing a cockaroach, you've got issues. Hell, if there was a nuclear winter, they'd be the only creatures left on earth. If it's easily destroyable and bothers you, destroy it. It's the nature of things. Immoral? Hah. You realize mosquitos are responsible for the deaths of thousands of people every year? Go look at all the deadly diseases rampant in the Amazon, among other areas. Most of them are transferred via *gasp* parasitic creatures.

And as for killing other people, that is not a trait found in all humans, and it is something we can just as easily NOT do. The fact we can make that choice makes us moral creatures, should we choose to be.

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Humans are monsters. We go around raping the world that we live in of its natural resources. Our population increases and we tear down forests (other living creature's habitats) to make more room for our accomodation. So I ask thee are humans really all that great?
You're damn right we do. Survival of the fittest and all that. We are also the only creatures capable of replenishing all that we destroy, should we try hard enough.

pxbluesoul 06-15-2004 12:30 PM

And how the hell do you shake off a mosquito? It's got it's whatever-it-is buried into your skin, drinking your blood. Sorry but I'm not just gonna wait on it, who does?

aleco 06-15-2004 02:29 PM

So we eat bugs, on purpose or not. Are we cannabils?

alextrebek 06-15-2004 02:46 PM

Re: Humans are monsters
 
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Originally Posted by sniper_wolf
Humans are monsters. We go around raping the world that we live in of its natural resources. Our population increases and we tear down forests (other living creature's habitats) to make more room for our accomodation. So I ask thee are humans really all that great?

Before you decide to completely be against us, and for mosquitos and such, you should remember the vast number of parasites out there. They often kill or injure their host for their own needs. So you can't say we're lower than them for doing the same thing.

As for whether humans are great or not, we're capable of having this argument, which requires complex thought, weighing advantages and disadvantages, using proper words, etc., and that is a very large task, so we're pretty awesome for being capable of that.

NOTE: The last paragraph doesn't apply to 50% of the population.

trillobyite 06-15-2004 03:27 PM

I agree with drac. For example, there is bacteria inside someone and if it isnt treated with antibiotics soon, the person will die. But we can't kill it, right? I mean, all it is trying to do is live! So I guess that means we should all go into a swamp naked and have the native organisms kill us so that they can live better.
Oh wait, no. Every species' purpose is to live, to live to reproduce and to live to battle predators. Humans are living by the same code as every other living thing- Survival of the fittest. If a jaguar corners us, it isn't going to have pity on us. If we corner a source of food for ourselves, we also shouldn't have pity for it. Killing for sport is something I am against, but killing animals in the first place for food is a need that is our duty to accomplish.
Unfortunately, our extreme advances in technology have made us able to destroy all habitats and this whole world, including ourselves. I guess in a way you can call us evolution's mistake, but then again, the fact that we are alive makes us natural. Anything we do is natural. Now it's up to us to not be stupid about it and try our best to prevent global warming, ozone depletion, and loss of biodiversity. Maybe our species was meant to be the last species, who knows? But like I said, its up to us to prevent ourselves from destroying this world.

Edit: Jam, dogs aren't self aware. The only animal, I believe, that is self-aware is a certain species of monkey in Africa, where they put a mirror in front of one and it realized that the mirror was depicting itself. But I still agree that dogs should not be killed if they pose no threat :wink:

sniper_wolf 06-15-2004 05:25 PM

Okay, since everyone seems to be against me on this one i'm gonna just let it go...

sparkplug 06-19-2004 12:22 PM

"human are monsters" no shit.

trillobyite 06-19-2004 08:31 PM

Humans are monsters in the sense that we destroy otyher species' habitats and kill animals for sport, even if they are harmles. Fighting back against other organisms that try to attack us is a different story. That is basically what I was saying before. So sniper, I agree with you that killing the cockroach is useless, but I disagree about the mosquito.


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