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Cold Kitten 05-24-2009 01:34 AM

Too fat or attention-seeking?
 
Have any of you ever noticed that it seems like a lot of our world tends to revolve around looks and/or how much they weigh? If so, you should read this:

http://41010.deviantart.com/art/I-m-Too-Fat-106416404

I personally think that everything in our world that people see, is revolving too much around looks. Example: Next time a commercial is on, take a look and see what the people in the commercial look like. If it's a commercial that is supposed to be funny, well, that's a different story. However, say it's a commercial for a new drink. I've noticed that the people in the commercial tend to be what most people consider "hot" or some other form of good-looking. Yes, they make the soda sell better, but why is that? This comes back to my original statement. Everything revolves too much around looks. People would rather buy something that has been advertised by a better looking person then, say, an average looking person.

It's the same thing with clothing and what-not. You've seen ads in magazines for clothing and accessories. What do the people who are modeling the clothing normally look like? Once again, good-looking, usually pretty slim people. I would like to hear all of your opinions on this.

TK_goelo 05-24-2009 01:52 AM

Re: Too fat or attention-seeking?
 
You're obviously fat

On Topic: I totally agree with this, thay alwas put ¨hot¨ people in the ads and stuff, but when its trying to ridiculize something they put ¨fat¨people for us to laugh.
Society is sh*t.

Coolboyrulez0 05-24-2009 01:57 AM

Re: Too fat or attention-seeking?
 
Sex sells, ladies and gentlemen.

That is just how the world works.

And yes, I hate very attractive girls that say "Oh I am fat, look at me, I am so hideous."
I don't know why they do it, attention, or other reasons but it's highly annoying.

Cold Kitten 05-24-2009 02:14 AM

Re: Too fat or attention-seeking?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Coolboyrulez0 (Post 3083346)
Sex sells, ladies and gentlemen.

That is just how the world works.

And yes, I hate very attractive girls that say "Oh I am fat, look at me, I am so hideous."
I don't know why they do it, attention, or other reasons but it's highly annoying.

We already knew that's how the world worked. You might hate very attractive girls saying for attention, but would you hate if someone you personally thought was fat/hideous, just for attention? No, you probably wouldn't, because you, also, care about looks more then anything. I am not judging you, but that's what it seems like from your post.

Quote:

Originally Posted by TK_goelo (Post 3083345)
You're obviously fat

On Topic: I totally agree with this, thay alwas put ¨hot¨ people in the ads and stuff, but when its trying to ridiculize something they put ¨fat¨people for us to laugh.
Society is sh*t.

Thank you for judging me on something you know nothing about.

On topic: Exactly, the "hot" people end up making millions because they're good-looking. Wonderful. The "fat" people make millions because they let the world laugh at them. Even better.

[TeRa] 05-24-2009 02:31 AM

Re: Too fat or attention-seeking?
 
There's nothing to this thread other than sex sells, which you say you already knew, so I don't see what you're asking for us to give opinions on.

We're naturally attracted to good looking people, it's human nature, so they, the media, use it to their advantage. The main point of using an attractive individual to advertise is to draw attention to the product, after they have your attention, then there's the advertisement.

Cold Kitten 05-24-2009 02:38 AM

Re: Too fat or attention-seeking?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by [TeRa] (Post 3083390)
There's nothing to this thread other than sex sells, which you say you already knew, so I don't see what you're asking for us to give opinions on.

We're naturally attracted to good looking people, it's human nature, so they, the media, use it to their advantage. The main point of using an attractive individual to advertise is to draw attention to the product, after they have your attention, then there's the advertisement.

Yes, I did already know the sex sells. That is not what I was asking for an opinion on. I was asking if you thought that the world cared too much about looks and what-not.
The media does use it, yes. But they tend to use it throughout the whole advertisement, which is distracting to the actual product. I'm not saying it's wrong to use good looking people for that reason, just that the media uses them too much throughout one advertisement.

Coolboyrulez0 05-24-2009 02:45 AM

Re: Too fat or attention-seeking?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Cold Kitten (Post 3083360)
We already knew that's how the world worked. You might hate very attractive girls saying for attention, but would you hate if someone you personally thought was fat/hideous, just for attention? No, you probably wouldn't, because you, also, care about looks more then anything. I am not judging you, but that's what it seems like from your post.



Thank you for judging me on something you know nothing about.

On topic: Exactly, the "hot" people end up making millions because they're good-looking. Wonderful. The "fat" people make millions because they let the world laugh at them. Even better.

I believe every human being cares about what he/she looks like and what other people look like, it's just how we are wired.

I would say it's odd to find a person who does not care.

Cold Kitten 05-24-2009 02:49 AM

Re: Too fat or attention-seeking?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Coolboyrulez0 (Post 3083406)
I believe every human being cares about what he/she looks like and what other people look like, it's just how we are wired.

I would say it's odd to find a person who does not care.

Yes, everyone cares about what they look like. Does that mean we should post pictures of ourselves and say, "Oh, I'm so fat and ugly"? No. It doesn't.

I never said you wouldn't find someone who didn't care. I said, it seemed like you were the type of person who ONLY cared about looks. I'm hoping I'm wrong, but I'm just stating what I thought.

devonin 05-24-2009 11:39 AM

Re: Too fat or attention-seeking?
 
Everybody has insecurities, and some people are just a little less in need of reassurance than others. That marketing has developed in such a way to offer products that claim to reassure you about your looks and body and self-worth should be a surprise to nobody.

kommisar[os] 05-24-2009 01:49 PM

Re: Too fat or attention-seeking?
 
unless you have an illness, being fat is a choice and is seen by society as something unpleasant. of course commercials are going to put people who are more appealing to the public rather than showcasing the average consumer of their product.

Mech Dragon 05-24-2009 02:03 PM

Re: Too fat or attention-seeking?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Coolboyrulez0 (Post 3083346)
Sex sells

Quote:

Originally Posted by [TeRa] (Post 3083390)
We're naturally attracted to good looking people, it's human nature

Quote:

Originally Posted by devonin (Post 3083598)
Everybody has insecurities, and some people are just a little less in need of reassurance than others.

Quote:

Originally Posted by kommisar[os] (Post 3083771)
unless you have an illness, being fat is a choice and is seen by society as something unpleasant.

Nothing more need be said. It's simple, don't make it complicated, seriously

Cold Kitten 05-24-2009 02:05 PM

Re: Too fat or attention-seeking?
 
None of you are seeing the point I am trying to make, or the question I'm asking.

fido123 05-24-2009 02:05 PM

Re: Too fat or attention-seeking?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by kommisar[os] (Post 3083771)
unless you have an illness, being fat is a choice and is seen by society as something unpleasant. of course commercials are going to put people who are more appealing to the public rather than showcasing the average consumer of their product.

A lot of it is body type. I used to be 210lbs but then I started eating right and exercising religiously. I still do that to this day but I can never drop below 175 and I still look a little pudgy.

Mech Dragon 05-24-2009 02:09 PM

Re: Too fat or attention-seeking?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Cold Kitten (Post 3083794)
None of you are seeing the point I am trying to make, or the question I'm asking.

Then make your point, the only point/question I see is why is society using so much looks, and the posts already answered that

Cold Kitten 05-24-2009 02:11 PM

Re: Too fat or attention-seeking?
 
The actual point I was trying to make was that I thought that the world revolved too much around looks. If you disagree with that, then say so. But don't post something that we already knew. And as for the question I was asking, do you agree with that?

Mech Dragon 05-24-2009 02:16 PM

Re: Too fat or attention-seeking?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Cold Kitten (Post 3083805)
The actual point I was trying to make was that I thought that the world revolved too much around looks. If you disagree with that, then say so. But don't post something that we already knew. And as for the question I was asking, do you agree with that?

Ohhh, I apologize. Actually, yes, I do think the world is too revolved with looks.... as a matter of fact, humans themselves are too revolved around looks. For example, most people if you ask them what they look for in a relationship, more than half would say looks first. There sooooo many aspects you have to look at before you get into a relationship, looks are a plus, but there are many more important aspects you have to look at first before you get into a relationship.

Cold Kitten 05-24-2009 02:31 PM

Re: Too fat or attention-seeking?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mech Dragon (Post 3083815)
Ohhh, I apologize. Actually, yes, I do think the world is too revolved with looks.... as a matter of fact, humans themselves are too revolved around looks. For example, most people if you ask them what they look for in a relationship, more than half would say looks first. There sooooo many aspects you have to look at before you get into a relationship, looks are a plus, but there are many more important aspects you have to look at first before you get into a relationship.

Exactly. Thank you. You have made a post pertaining to the actual thread. Congrats.

dballin4 05-24-2009 05:06 PM

Re: Too fat or attention-seeking?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Cold Kitten (Post 3083794)
None of you are seeing the point I am trying to make, or the question I'm asking.

Oh... I'm sorry but the 90% of your post dealing with looks in advertising and lack of a clear cut question led me to believe you wanted opinions on looks in advertising. My bad.

Quote:

don't post something that we already knew
Then why did you post this thread? Look at how the beauty industry flourishes and then ask anyone if they think people are obsessed with how they look. There are always ads for a new cream to make you look younger or makeup for young people to look glamorous. The common definition of "attractive" is set by society and since that definition is what it is, you can offer up the opinion that society is currently (the definition of beauty is different depending on where in the world you are and has changed over time) obsessed with skinny people and that is how you should strive to look if you want to be beautiful. Does everyone think this way? No, but you asked if the world revolved around looks. While I don't think it REVOLVES around looks, it's pretty damn conclusive that you wouldn't be doing harm to yourself by fitting into the societal version of beauty.

Quote:

Originally Posted by http://www.thecrimson.com/article.aspx?ref=512621
Mobius’s study, published in The American Economic Review last month, builds on data that shows that workers labeled physically attractive earn about 10 to 15 percent more than their plainer peers.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mech Dragon
For example, most people if you ask them what they look for in a relationship, more than half would say looks first.

Time to be a devo: Where are you pulling these numbers from? Sure, people in high school who might just be looking to get off probably want to do so with someone they find attractive, but as you get older certain things become more important than beauty. Things such as money management, will they be a good parent, do they have a job, are they at least a little bit intelligent, do we even get along, etc? Looks don't matter nearly as much when you're considering living with someone and having kids together.

Quote:

Originally Posted by NFD
I'm damn sexy.

Right on brother!

devonin 05-24-2009 05:35 PM

Re: Too fat or attention-seeking?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Cold Kitten (Post 3083805)
The actual point I was trying to make was that I thought that the world revolved too much around looks. If you disagree with that, then say so. But don't post something that we already knew. And as for the question I was asking, do you agree with that?

You've said "Everyone is too concerned with their looks, here is a basic marketing issue that we're all aware of that shows we're too concerned with our looks, now...do you think we're too concerned with our looks?"

As a question, the response is "yes" with no real room for any further debate. I understand your potential frustration that the discussion deviated slightly from people saying "Yes, you're right" into a very related side issue, but that's also something that happens in this forum, discussions develop and evolve.

If all you wanted was a yes/no response to "Do you think we're too concerned with looks" you could have made a poll.

Mech Dragon 05-24-2009 05:37 PM

Re: Too fat or attention-seeking?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by devonin;3084032Y
you could have made a poll.

And you could have asked people to post why they said yes/no etc.

Ground_Breaker 05-24-2009 05:39 PM

Re: Too fat or attention-seeking?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Cold Kitten (Post 3083335)
Have any of you ever noticed that it seems like a lot of our world tends to revolve around looks and/or how much they weigh?

...

Yes, they make the soda sell better, but why is that?

...

Everything revolves too much around looks. People would rather buy something that has been advertised by a better looking person then, say, an average looking person.

...

It's the same thing with clothing and what-not. You've seen ads in magazines for clothing and accessories. What do the people who are modeling the clothing normally look like? Once again, good-looking, usually pretty slim people. I would like to hear all of your opinions on this.

I don't see much potential for discussion here.

You think too much emphasis is placed on aesthetics. Okay. You understand how much of the media appeals to people's sense of wanting to be beautiful. Okay.

You're asking us what we think, so you're going to get responses from people saying, "Well, I think you're right, too much emphasis is placed on aesthetics," or you're going to get responses that say something like, "The media's effect on you is directly related to your individual level of tolerance for that kind of advertising." In essence, the latter response means, "Get over it, because you're negatively affected by it." Neither of these responses are fertile ground for much discussion, really.

Your topic can best be summed up as:

Do you think skinny girls in advertising are good? Y/N

DJ_Swabber 05-24-2009 05:40 PM

Re: Too fat or attention-seeking?
 
What Kommi said.
Honestly, I only have a problem with people who choose to let themselves be overweight/unhealthy, and complain about it.
Quit it.
DDR, people. =]
I am for one of those few people who see beauty on the inside, and also the outside, where others would of overlooked peoples unique features. Rather than pointing out how society is, why don't you focus on complimenting true beauty's then?

kommisar[os] 05-27-2009 10:18 PM

Re: Too fat or attention-seeking?
 
of course personality has a huge effect on how people see each other, but in any relationship there has to be a physical sexual attraction. your girlfriend's gotta look hot to you if you want it to work for a long time.

men, animals like we are, are quite influenced by physical appearance and media is a factor also. in the middle ages being fat meant you were rich and could afford to make yourself so. different ideologies brings different points of attraction.

funmonkey54 05-27-2009 10:38 PM

Re: Too fat or attention-seeking?
 
I was so excited when I was overweight instead of obese this last year.
But yeah, just me.
My girlfriend is really skinny though. Like comfortably skinny, not like ribs skinny. That is gross. Although, if she had the same personality, I wouldn't care either way. =/

Bangcrashboom 05-28-2009 01:00 AM

Re: Too fat or attention-seeking?
 
Its also the fact that people think "Oh if i buy this product, it will make me look just as good as him or her" (referring more towards clothing). So the sellers naturally use more attractive people to advertise to grasp peoples attentions and to want to be as good looking as the advertiser

Mech Dragon 05-28-2009 01:45 AM

Re: Too fat or attention-seeking?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by kommisar[os] (Post 3087819)
in any relationship there has to be a physical sexual attraction. your girlfriend's gotta look hot to you if you want it to work for a long time.

I disagree to this, because I really don't care about looks when I try to find a girlfriend, I just care about the personality, wisdom, independence etc. Looks are a luxury, they're not necessary and therefore are not so important, to some men it is, but in the end, it's not so important.

Blue Bird 05-28-2009 04:21 AM

Re: Too fat or attention-seeking?
 
Of course looks matter. They're what cause the first impression. During your everyday life, the main factor determining what gets your attention or not, is how a person looks. Because until you know how they really are inside, looks are all you'll know. And until that point, it will be the only thing that matters.

I won't use the word "fat" here, because really... fat is pretty relative, and even "chubby" girls are able to pull off sexual attraction from guys. But picture yourself walking around somewhere filled with people. Who are the ones that usually catch your attention? It doesn't define who you are. It's not a flaw of yours that you're attracted to a certain type(s) of people, and not others.

As for girls going around saying they're too fat or whatever, you can sort of blame society. It's how they're raised to think. I know for a fact, the way someone looks has a major impact on their personality a lot of the time. Because the world revolves around looks in so many areas, people are always pushed to look acceptable. Except they can't get that acceptance from themselves, so they must seek it from others.

Of course, there will be some who won't care, or who are confident in how they look, and not ask for more. However, we are constantly being pushed at with "perfect" models in advertisement. And some people feel as though they have to look that good. It's nonsense, mainly because especially these days, what you see on television or pictures, is not how they look like in real life AT ALL! So people strive for looks that are nearly impossible to achieve in real life.

The fact remains though - looks matter. Maybe not in the long run, but until you get to know someone's personality, until something else besides a person's appearance is put into the equation, it's all they'll have to attract attention.

kommisar[os] 05-28-2009 07:34 AM

Re: Too fat or attention-seeking?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mech Dragon (Post 3087999)
I disagree to this, because I really don't care about looks when I try to find a girlfriend, I just care about the personality, wisdom, independence etc. Looks are a luxury, they're not necessary and therefore are not so important, to some men it is, but in the end, it's not so important.


give it a few years you might change your mind. most people are too young to understand the effects of long-term relationships including myself.

jellygod 05-28-2009 07:28 PM

Re: Too fat or attention-seeking?
 
yes we care too much about looks. society does as well, its just the way it works. As was said earlier in this thread, being fat is a choice as is good looking to an extent. It's your choice to eat all that crap and put it in your body without caring about yourself then blame other people for not liking you because of it. I think that everyone can be decent looking to an extent. If you are too fat then lose some weight and get a haircut or try changing your clothes or something. If you are too skinny then lift weights and workout. It really isn't too hard for everyone to look decent. sorry if this makes me sound like somewhat of a prick. oh and btw

omgawd why i so ugleh?

dsliscoo 05-29-2009 10:35 AM

Re: Too fat or attention-seeking?
 
much like beauty this topic is shallow. lawl.
Like everyone said.
There isn't anything to debate or really talk about.
Being good looking isn't bad. Trying to be good looking isn't bad either. There is nothing wrong with trying your best in everything you do and why would it matter with looks/weight/anything else besides murder. And as for placing emphasis on perfection, I think it is only healthy. It is unhealthy thinking if you satisfied with something you are discontent with.

and another thing to think about, 90% of why people communicate is all about being responded to.. it rarely has to do with the information they are sharing.

VulcanRevenge 05-29-2009 03:06 PM

Re: Too fat or attention-seeking?
 
"90% of why people communicate is all about being responded to.. it rarely has to do with the information they are sharing."

Hit it right on the head, dsliscoo. I'm not sure where you got that statistic but it makes sense. I think mostly Cold Kitten's just trying to make a plain and simple point that we shouldn't judge people or treat them differently according to looks only, which I think most of us can completely agree with. Nuff said.

thechild 05-29-2009 10:50 PM

Re: Too fat or attention-seeking?
 
You can't blame the world for being over-weight. Besides, if you are over-weight, make sure you don't smell bad, clean yourself, and wear some 'in' (lol) clothes such as aeropostale, american eagle, etc. then you will be fine.

Frozen Beat 05-31-2009 07:03 PM

Re: Too fat or attention-seeking?
 
I personally would view that as a simpleton attempt to fit in, and try to be someone that they're not.

Frankly, looks are important because it's wired in our heads, and it's human nature.

If i flashed two photos of random people in front of you, one being a hot girl, the other being a fat girl, which one would you rather stare at?

~kitty~ 05-31-2009 08:51 PM

Re: Too fat or attention-seeking?
 
When it comes down to it, everyone's a failure. The End.

EDIT: Frozen Beat, I wouldn't stare at either. It's rude either way.

thechild 06-1-2009 04:42 PM

Re: Too fat or attention-seeking?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Frozen Beat (Post 3091833)
I personally would view that as a simpleton attempt to fit in, and try to be someone that they're not.

Well, this should atleast boost confidence then people will actually talk to them. After that they just be themselves, I don't see where someone is being who they're not.

Cavernio 06-2-2009 03:57 PM

Re: Too fat or attention-seeking?
 
I think that media and selling things is based too much on looks, and that it can have a seriously negative impact on people, particularly tween girls who seem prone to being obsessed with their weight.

However, if you think about how you look as an art, then I've got a whole other perception of things. I almost think we don't care about looks enough when I think about it this way, or at least we perceive looks differently from how I think we should. Our society, in general, doesn't care enough about looks beyond 'fitting in'. It seems that very few people take their looks and make themselves look the way that THEY want themselves to look. We're told we can and can't wear certain clothes to work and school, people will look at you weird if you're wearing something outside a pretty small fashion window. Fashion designers almost invariably care about their looks in a 'good' way, but they will also always see looks and fashion as art too, and they make it their life and career. People forget that changing your look can be fun.
There's nothing wrong with having a look simply so you can 'fit in', but it's kinda sad that we make ourselves so busy that real fashion is only for special events, and that for most of us, fashion is strongly dictated by the media.

Also, comments like "you're clearly fat because you thought of something that's bad for fat people" really are retarded. I've had my share of comments in the same tone of "well, if that's what you're saying, that means you're such and such", when they're not true. People have brains you know. We can think about things that concern other people.

Frozen Beat 06-2-2009 10:04 PM

Re: Too fat or attention-seeking?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by thechild (Post 3092840)
Well, this should atleast boost confidence then people will actually talk to them. After that they just be themselves, I don't see where someone is being who they're not.

Really? I see people like that pretty much all the time. How do you not see it?

Nu0n 06-4-2009 12:04 PM

Re: Too fat or attention-seeking?
 
The ideals of what man and woman should look like are posted all over adds, TV shows, commercials, and put into are head as a bench mark for what is "best and worse". We then take that public view and start to rate looks by decent, bad, alright, etc. These are all just insecurity, the world has no effect on what you think of yourself. If you allow the worlds views and ideals of what the "best and worst" is and allow it to control your own thoughts of yourself, then you have been living a lie. Live your own life, and let your own ideals be the ones you abide by.

-Nu0n

ledwix 07-1-2009 07:41 AM

Re: Too fat or attention-seeking?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Blue Bird (Post 3088121)
Of course looks matter. They're what cause the first impression. During your everyday life, the main factor determining what gets your attention or not, is how a person looks. Because until you know how they really are inside, looks are all you'll know. And until that point, it will be the only thing that matters.

This is a good point. Looks set the tone in any conversation. Based on how people look when we meet them, we judge them and expect their personalities to slightly resemble the personalities of those we've met earlier who look like them.

And it makes sense; sight is pretty much the dominant perceptive tool in our human perspective of the world. It's the most powerful and longest ranging sense. After all, touch extends only a few feet, taste a few inches, smell a few hundred meters, sound, a few miles at the most. But sight...that extends for light years. Because of its range and strength, it's clearly the dominant way for us to perceive nearly everyone and everything in the world. So most of the data about every person we ever see on the roads, at a large school, in a packed stadium or rally, and on TV is based on their appearance.

It's hard to ignore the vast majority of the data, so it is only logical that we value appearance so much. Personally, I think looks and personality are heavily correlated in the majority of cases. (majority, not absolute, of course) By this, I don't mean that good looks indicate a good personality; I just mean that certain personality types happen to bear certain physical traits and clothing types. Looks are certainly a useful part of the equation to take note of.

When it comes to being good friends with someone, looks don't really affect our ability to stay good friends with them, help them with their experiences, etc. People really don't need to be insecure about their looks with good friends and family; and in the end these are the only ones who are actually very important to us: the ones who will examine our personalities in the greatest detail and really figure out who we are. If people are extremely insecure about their appearance in the presence of close friends due to the influence of advertisements, I believe they are mistaken, since good friends aren't shallow with each other.

But at the same time, we can be very shallow when it comes to light acquaintances or strangers. Advertising is one of the situations where we happen to be shallow since we rarely personally know the people we are seeing in advertisements; most of our information comes from their looks. What I'm trying to say is that I can check girls out all the time while at the same time maintaining a strict standard for what type of personality I am interested in, because they are two different realms. In a more serious situation, I can preserve the quality of my relationships by having a different standard for good friends than for acquaintances. So shallowness doesn't have to preside. For ads, sex just sells a little too well, but that's just how our world works.


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