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inDheart 08-26-2018 07:18 PM

Re: TWG CLXXX - OuO what's this? [Game Thread]
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by blindreper1179 (Post 4643556)
You're better than this.

lmfao fuck

i'm making a mq on blind for wolf interactions and this is super ballsy to say if it's more meaningful than just tilting sunfan

Celirra 08-26-2018 07:19 PM

Re: TWG CLXXX - OuO what's this? [Game Thread]
 
AlSo WhErE iS fUnNyGuRl AnD wHy Is ShE nOt DoInG aNyThInG

Celirra 08-26-2018 07:20 PM

Re: TWG CLXXX - OuO what's this? [Game Thread]
 
As a heads up I may pass out before eod

the sun fan 08-26-2018 07:23 PM

Re: TWG CLXXX - OuO what's this? [Game Thread]
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Celirra (Post 4646362)
Did prec just sheep me

what he proposed is really interesting and no one had talked about it

he did the exact opposite btw, he said Tps should not only always hide, but hide in a manner that attempts to incentivize the wolf and the serial killer to try and find him tonight. In short, and you just have to read it again to understand it, the incentive is actually a decentive because they can lose if they make their best play.

its very outside the box, and its not something I think I could've thought of without seriously dedicating time to it. It impressed me.

But no, he did not sheep you.

Precarious 08-26-2018 07:25 PM

Re: TWG CLXXX - OuO what's this? [Game Thread]
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by the sun fan (Post 4646359)
"You play to win the game" after all.

That's just it. I suppose it comes down to the idea that I view a 1:1:1 as a loss for everyone--which is why I keep referring to it as a draw-loss. No one achieves their victory conditions.

Under the NL approach, a 2:1:1 is relatively unpalatable to the bad guys, but they would still have a chance. I feel like the Hide strategy and its implications (potentially bringing about the 1:1:1 more quickly) would make them more likely to hunt each other. And even under the draw logic, I feel like it gives us a better chance of getting to the draw, rather than the loss.

I mean, under that logic, we might as well abandon the NL strategy altogether. At least one known town player has to survive until tomorrow, which means they could lead a self-vote and force the 1:1:1. That seems distasteful, and I was hesitant to point it out until now, but if we're arguing 1:1:1 is a goal state... (There's also no risk of it backfiring in a Tps as lone wolf world since this assumes multiple night kills, and multiple night kills confirms Tps as town.)

the sun fan 08-26-2018 07:30 PM

Re: TWG CLXXX - OuO what's this? [Game Thread]
 
man this is like so fucked
Precarious this feels townie but I feel like I have to lynch you anyways

Precarious 08-26-2018 07:34 PM

Re: TWG CLXXX - OuO what's this? [Game Thread]
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by the sun fan (Post 4646369)
man this is like so fucked
Precarious this feels townie but I feel like I have to lynch you anyways

Which is dumb but all the more reason to have the mechanics hashed out before I can't provide them anymore. I'll still argue my cases until the bitter end, but if I do get lynched, my flip should confirm that there's no ulterior motive to this proposal.

Tps222 08-26-2018 07:42 PM

Re: TWG CLXXX - OuO what's this? [Game Thread]
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Celirra (Post 4646336)
why did tps hide behind *me* anyways

I thought you weren't likely to be targeted at the time, I also wasn't as familiar with the implications of how the hider role worked and what the best strats/uses of it were.

Celirra 08-26-2018 07:42 PM

Re: TWG CLXXX - OuO what's this? [Game Thread]
 
This is why no lynching is good???

the sun fan 08-26-2018 07:49 PM

Re: TWG CLXXX - OuO what's this? [Game Thread]
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Celirra (Post 4646373)
This is why no lynching is good???

Read it again

Precarious 08-26-2018 07:56 PM

Re: TWG CLXXX - OuO what's this? [Game Thread]
 
If we No Lynch today, we gain no additional flip information. Everyone's suspicions stay the same.

In the night, there will be zero to two night kills. (Theoretically, both wolf and SK--assuming the latter exists--could target a Hiding Tps, or the SK could while the wolf targets an SK still wearing a vest. Actually, that raises a further complication--it's possible the wolf knows who the SK is if they previously attacked someone who isn't Tps and the attack failed). Assuming the SK scenario, that could leave us with a bunch of scenarios, but the presumable worst case would be 3:1:1.

N.B. I would strongly argue against my Hide strategy if we NL today, since there's no longer a risk of a 2:1:1 if we go into the night 5:1:1.

3:1:1 is uncomfortable. We would presumably be down to one remaining known town player, with two unknown town players, the wolf, and the SK. We would have made no progress on the game state from where we are now, and I feel like I'd be a probable lynch target still. Obviously 3:1:1 is a worst case scenario in this setting, but a mislynch at 3:1:1 puts us at 2:1:1 going into the night, which resembles the 2:1:1 + NL the next day strategy.

Basically, NL today kind of just punts the issue a couple rl days down the road, while giving the bad guys a slightly larger share of the voting pool.

the sun fan 08-26-2018 08:10 PM

Re: TWG CLXXX - OuO what's this? [Game Thread]
 
There's still the risk of a 2 1 1 tho, in fact I think its higher with ur plan

inDheart 08-26-2018 08:17 PM

Re: TWG CLXXX - OuO what's this? [Game Thread]
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by FreezinIce (Post 4644267)
Precarious and xiz any thoughts about the night kill and eod?

i keep finding things like this

h.

(also i was looking for freezin discrediting one of blind's posts but it's actually just that freezin changed his read, oop)

Precarious 08-26-2018 08:17 PM

Re: TWG CLXXX - OuO what's this? [Game Thread]
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by the sun fan (Post 4646379)
There's still the risk of a 2 1 1 tho, in fact I think its higher with ur plan

Quote:

Originally Posted by Precarious (Post 4646377)
N.B. I would strongly argue against my Hide strategy if we NL today, since there's no longer a risk of a 2:1:1 if we go into the night 5:1:1.

Basically, NLing today doesn't really help us, but it does remove the opportunity to use the Hide strategy.

I'm not in favor of it.

Precarious 08-26-2018 08:21 PM

Re: TWG CLXXX - OuO what's this? [Game Thread]
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by inDheart (Post 4646380)
i keep finding things like this

Post some of the others then. Although if I actually was a wolf, I can assure you I'd be telling them in wolfchat not to do that in the first place.

the sun fan 08-26-2018 08:23 PM

Re: TWG CLXXX - OuO what's this? [Game Thread]
 
should town be in f5
if you fuckers sleep I'll be so disappointed
at that point, you try and lynch one of the two scum, and pray if you miss.

if its f3 and tps is alive but the game is still going and we haven't lynched any scum between this post and f3, obviously just lynch tps because the game hasn't ended in a draw and that would happen if a serial killer is alive.

inDheart 08-26-2018 08:27 PM

Re: TWG CLXXX - OuO what's this? [Game Thread]
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by blindreper1179 (Post 4642184)
I was always caught up with that game... there's no correlation here.

Quote:

Originally Posted by blindreper1179 (Post 4642198)
That's what i was saying had no correlation.

xiz making a sorta lazy meta case on blind not being able to find anything posted in the game thus far/griping about speed, refuted like so

Quote:

Originally Posted by blindreper1179 (Post 4643107)
Im agreeing with you on dbp. Although his push towards gradiant had a good theory, i think he put too much into it.
Fg just says she's wolf, ok bye no matter what. And everything she's said is blah.
InD and yourself know what and when to say it, so i'd have to iso you guys for a more confident answer. But right now i'd go wolf, but i don't necessarily see you guys on the same team. Killing one gives the other imo.

once upon a time xelnya quoted someone else's reads to comment on them while making his own reads and it made me think bouncing off reads posts like this is wolfy, because there's a lack of originality in the construction, reducing reads to a task of agree/disagree. that probably doesn't apply to posts as short as these (long boi posts provide more data) but it's the thing i always think of when someone goes "ok here are my thoughts" and someone responds with "here are my thoughts based on yours"

Quote:

Originally Posted by blindreper1179 (Post 4643208)
You can at most be right on two of those.

throwaway, but it's to xiz. good ol' rule of 3 would suggest a wolf in prec/blind/tps, though it's not an arbitrary grouping of 3, it's an activity thing

Quote:

Originally Posted by blindreper1179 (Post 4643209)
Mostly. It's like he's that porn channel you tried to watch as a kid and sometimes you'd see something relevant like a boob but most of it was static.

he's agreeing with freezin here about xiz

Quote:

Originally Posted by blindreper1179 (Post 4643212)
Can you not rely on meta.


=P

not happy with cel meta reading xiz town, apparently

Quote:

Originally Posted by blindreper1179 (Post 4643540)
What is?

Quote:

Originally Posted by blindreper1179 (Post 4643551)
What mistake?
I think you misread what i said.

freezin would just kinda have to let his partner get embarrassed here

Quote:

Originally Posted by blindreper1179 (Post 4644038)
So.... right now TTTRR. Correct?

ehhhh

from later posts blind seems to think this is 3 VTs, i just can't get over it being the dominant thought for how many Ts were in the setup at the time when most town couldn't know any more than RR for sure

it's an issue of the setup doc more than anything and rolling for "town" and having it be the scum rolls is kinda stupid naming iyam

Quote:

Originally Posted by blindreper1179 (Post 4644281)
Precarious is definitely wolfing imo. Didn't vote him over dbp because I would of been pulling an omgus, and that wouldn't of helped me at all. I'd rather go dbp since he would actually of been useful had he flipped. He flipped anyways and it did help, so in hindsight i should of stayed on funny.

it might be "useful", but from what i could tell, you voted him because of tonal issues around how he agreed with you on funny, so what was the use there?

Quote:

Originally Posted by blindreper1179 (Post 4644720)
kinda late bro. Fess up your role then.

would be calling out partner for being late to the role claim party

Quote:

Originally Posted by blindreper1179 (Post 4644978)
Yeah, the freezin idea might work, since that makes sure he's vengeful, and gets a kill. I was gonna say why not lynch the person he's gonna shoot, but that leaves open that he may be lying. But if he's not lying, he gets bought killed so his power is useless anyways. It's a pretty tough predicament we're in right now. Tps really needs to show up.

Quote:

Originally Posted by blindreper1179 (Post 4645004)
What doesn't make sense? And yeah, i am. Or else how would i make comments on things?

Quote:

Originally Posted by blindreper1179 (Post 4645127)
Oh, ok. You just don't know how to read then.

I said "I WAS gonna say" as in, instead of lynching you, we lynch your kill instead. BUT, I don't like that idea too much because you could be lying, or the wolves night kill you and we lose your power. Comprehensible enough for you now?

entertaining the freezin tinfoil-lynch idea, which i don't think he'd want to draw attention to if he knew the claim was fake

Quote:

Originally Posted by blindreper1179 (Post 4645160)
xiz is one I've yet to learn to read. I don't like that he is all about tinfoil worlds, and not much else.

Speaking of xiz, Yes, all I did say was you're still wrong and went about my business. It may look scummy, but I'm not changing pre's mind, and I'm town read by mostly everyone else. I'm pretty safe when it comes to lynching, I'm not scared. So, why bother? I stated pre was a wolf way before the whole debacle between him and I. I would vote him with a safe bet of him being a hit for town.

Anyways, Xiz is a good target I THINK as of right now, but he's definitely a back burner vote. Unless something comes up. We have to decide what to do with our main concern right now. Which would be to lynch you IF you don't meet req, which I think is a safe bet so this may not be a thing to worry about, or lynch freezin and have him kill someone with this vengeful kill.

and then he'd have to be entertaining lynching between his partners after dispensing with tps as an option

Quote:

Originally Posted by blindreper1179 (Post 4645210)
You are really just being a pest, you know that?

Quote:

Originally Posted by blindreper1179 (Post 4645220)
Yeah, that's the thing. You've been wrong about a lot.

and no, you're not under my skin. lol

Quote:

Originally Posted by blindreper1179 (Post 4645225)
ok, so you were being sarcastic then?

god this goes like absolutely nowhere, freezin's asking him a question he doesn't bother to answer directly because he's reading it as sarcasm

Quote:

Originally Posted by blindreper1179 (Post 4645256)
I am the master baiter.....:chingrabemoji:

kinda throwaway, maybe because i can't tell what was being baited - blind's original paragraph is a statement of events more than anything in response to xiz

Quote:

Originally Posted by blindreper1179 (Post 4645276)
I haven't said anything to funny because she stood up. I told her to actually do something and she did.

I haven't talked to Ind, or tps, or xiz(more or less). I've talked with like celery, sunfan, dbp, and pre. That's about it. Put your baised views somewhere else

quoted mostly for names, has the xiz mention with more-or-less qualifier, freezin doesn't appear

Quote:

Originally Posted by blindreper1179 (Post 4645286)
Xiz and pre wolf partners, you heard it here first.

Quote:

Originally Posted by blindreper1179 (Post 4645296)
Prec is wrong because he's taking what i said out of context. I very obviously was direct with what i was saying. I don't get why he continues to say i pushed an issue already discussed when i wasn't even that far into the thread. He brought up shit that i've been called town for. I get using your own meta is bad, but i'm pretty much town to a T. Sun, inD, and freezing all agreed, until recently freezing.

this is true, freezin's read declines dramatically bc he has blind as top town d2 and winds up voting him

Quote:

Originally Posted by blindreper1179 (Post 4645321)
Pretty convenient i went from top town to top lynch :eyebrowraiseemoji:

this is to xiz

if prec is a wolf then it means wolves are extremely hard aligned against blind, with prec starting it and xiz+freezin joining up later
if blind is a wolf then wolves kinda did it to themselves, but maybe it'd get xiz some cred if they pull it off? but it'd have almost the same effect with a xiz lynch, just trading who gets the cred
if funny is a wolf then she locked in the bus early with her case and then coming in later just to vote

i've been favoring the latter two because it just feels so weird for no one to bus with how consensus-y that felt

Quote:

Originally Posted by blindreper1179 (Post 4645403)
Dude, i got this. I play and push when it's needed. Pre pushing and looking like he's doing something isn't worth my time.

main thing about this is xiz is asking a question to sunfan but blind does this step in almost like he's reassuring xiz, and drops prec's name fsr

Quote:

Originally Posted by blindreper1179 (Post 4645408)
xiz safety vote

bam


wow i quoted some posts in an order

obv i should read the other two but blind doesn't feel like a wolf from these (i talk out some game state stuff toward the end too). doesn't clear him from SK, but what would

inDheart 08-26-2018 08:30 PM

Re: TWG CLXXX - OuO what's this? [Game Thread]
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Precarious (Post 4646383)
Post some of the others then. Although if I actually was a wolf, I can assure you I'd be telling them in wolfchat not to do that in the first place.

i haven't been placing too much weight on them because i consider those two fairly good at coating the player list

i'm coming off a game where a wolf named all his partners and no town in saying "still waiting for x, y, and z to catch up" so list construction is something people intentionally foil sometimes

the sun fan 08-26-2018 08:32 PM

Re: TWG CLXXX - OuO what's this? [Game Thread]
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by inDheart (Post 4646388)
obv i should read the other two but blind doesn't feel like a wolf from these (i talk out some game state stuff toward the end too). doesn't clear him from SK, but what would

like I said, I believe him when he claimed vanilla town

inDheart 08-26-2018 08:41 PM

Re: TWG CLXXX - OuO what's this? [Game Thread]
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by the sun fan (Post 4646390)
like I said, I believe him when he claimed vanilla town

the 129003852th time thing resonated with me

he reacted to his vt rand in the turbo by first post claiming asceticizer lul

YoshL 08-26-2018 09:02 PM

Re: TWG CLXXX - OuO what's this? [Game Thread]
 
Votes from post 2564 to post 2820
Night in 1:58:44

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  • Votes -- Lynch -- Voters
  • 1 -- Precarious -- the sun fan (84)
  • 6 -- not voting -- blindreper1179 (36), Celirra (67), Funnygurl555 (14), inDheart (25), Precarious (20), Tps222 (8)

blindreper1179 08-26-2018 09:03 PM

Re: TWG CLXXX - OuO what's this? [Game Thread]
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by inDheart (Post 4646391)
the 129003852th time thing resonated with me

he reacted to his vt rand in the turbo by first post claiming asceticizer lul

I just wanna be a third party. =( i've never been one. But hell, being a wolf or a blue would at least stir things up for me.

inDheart 08-26-2018 09:07 PM

Re: TWG CLXXX - OuO what's this? [Game Thread]
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Funnygurl555 (Post 4645145)
ind celery xiz blind prec sunfan 3 woofs in here

soft clear the sunfan and we get ind celery xiz blind prec

3 wolves in there.. one's actually.. town

i'd include myself in that list, but.. like.. fmpov.. lol

Quote:

Originally Posted by Funnygurl555 (Post 4645148)
o * two's actually town since there's five in that list that's a good list

i would just like to paste these two posts on the wall

Tps222 08-26-2018 09:12 PM

Re: TWG CLXXX - OuO what's this? [Game Thread]
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Precarious (Post 4646381)
Basically, NLing today doesn't really help us, but it does remove the opportunity to use the Hide strategy.

I'm not in favor of it.

I'm having a tough time wanting vote you, because I agree and I feel like you wouldn't say that if you were scum.

the sun fan 08-26-2018 09:12 PM

Re: TWG CLXXX - OuO what's this? [Game Thread]
 
I am confused by what you quoted there

Tps222 08-26-2018 09:12 PM

Re: TWG CLXXX - OuO what's this? [Game Thread]
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by inDheart (Post 4646394)
i would just like to paste these two posts on the wall

@indheart, I'm not sure what the take away is from those selected, am I missing something?

the sun fan 08-26-2018 09:12 PM

Re: TWG CLXXX - OuO what's this? [Game Thread]
 
^was at inD

Tps222 08-26-2018 09:12 PM

Re: TWG CLXXX - OuO what's this? [Game Thread]
 
nice ninja

the sun fan 08-26-2018 09:13 PM

Re: TWG CLXXX - OuO what's this? [Game Thread]
 
I am studying
I will be checking in from time to time but gotta cram y'all

the sun fan 08-26-2018 09:23 PM

Re: TWG CLXXX - OuO what's this? [Game Thread]
 
tps you fine with hiding behind fg if we lynch a scum?
do you want it to be someone else?

inDheart 08-26-2018 09:25 PM

Re: TWG CLXXX - OuO what's this? [Game Thread]
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by the sun fan (Post 4646396)
I am confused by what you quoted there

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tps222 (Post 4646397)
@indheart, I'm not sure what the take away is from those selected, am I missing something?

i'm suggesting it's a SK pov slip, before we knew there was a SK

5 people, 3 of them are wolves, 1 of them is town, so the fifth is ?

then walked back by not counting in the next post

inDheart 08-26-2018 09:49 PM

Re: TWG CLXXX - OuO what's this? [Game Thread]
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by YoshL (Post 4643717)
Votes from post 1214 to post 1811
Night in 0:04:39

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:00 good :01 bad

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Originally Posted by YoshL (Post 4643734)
Votes from post 1214 to post 1829
Night in 0:02:28

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:00 good :01 bad

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Originally Posted by YoshL (Post 4643758)
Votes from post 1214 to post 1849
Night in 0:00:17

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:00 good :01 bad



colorz leading up to d2 eod (only vote after this is dbp moving to wc) without any living players colored

in terms of looks, funny seems slightly better than blind and prec who are relatively equal; she hops off cel as dbp argues against the wagon and it fizzles, but xiz would have to be fine hanging out on funnywolf for the same reasons at a point when it seems like they could make a lot of lynches happen at an uncertain eod

inDheart 08-26-2018 10:04 PM

Re: TWG CLXXX - OuO what's this? [Game Thread]
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Funnygurl555 (Post 4641495)
wait wtf xiz has 2 votes too

in reference to her having the same amount as him, but they're joke votes, so

Quote:

Originally Posted by Funnygurl555 (Post 4641906)
xiz

Quote:

Originally Posted by Funnygurl555 (Post 4642624)
^ this gave me the same "????" vibes that i got in the jtwg. saying "i'm suspicious of everyone's" kinda like a "no shit" thing to say, yeah?

i'm not done catching up, but syhto's posts do look better going forward, so i might retract what i said

unvote. the xiz joke was a joke vote

Wow, Jokes

Quote:

Originally Posted by Funnygurl555 (Post 4642652)
there's wolf daychat like why would his comments matter

this is...validating xiz's interest in sunfan's comments about tps, i think. not much either way but it'd be funny to tell a wolf that wolf daychat exists as a wolf

Quote:

Originally Posted by Funnygurl555 (Post 4642975)
the main wagons at eod were gradiant and sunfan. syhto put a last minute vote on sunfan. with gradiant flipping town, voting like that to protect a wolf partner is off the table. if syhto is town too, perhaps the wagon on sunfan was clean? i dunno. i only see it as incriminating

i could be wrong about sunfan. i'm just paranoid after last game where we both read each other incorrectly, so i'm hesitant to try to lynch him.

strange thing about use of the word "incriminating" because "i think wolves are trying to incriminate sunfan with the syhto nk", i would think, is usually something you say when you think the person you're talking about is town, but afaict she's not townreading sunfan through this, and as a result feels weird about wolves trying to make sunfan look worse, but isn't discarding her wolf read there ("i could be wrong")

but the point of me quoting this was she's explaining it to a wolf and it's like freezin's right here to pounce

Quote:

Originally Posted by Funnygurl555 (Post 4642988)
gradiant liked wc's sunfan vote, and i thought sunfan was an opportune lynch for wolves. it wasn't a strong vote initially and it wasn't necessarily my intention to keep it there the entire time

as i was telling gradiant at eod though, i didn't like how he reacted to my vote.

the xiz post this is about is the kind of thing that is making this hard - the wolves don't seem to like her, but d3 they go after blind instead

Quote:

Originally Posted by Funnygurl555 (Post 4643015)
I'm not following the thing about the Syhto kill



maybe, man. my logic at eod was clearly shit based on how things ended up, so

Quote:

Originally Posted by Funnygurl555 (Post 4643028)


(prolly not a fault on your part, tho. ya girl's brain has rip'd)

real weird interaction because she's just not really standing up for what she was saying anymore on gradiant while being pushed on it by xiz, because confusion, which is a CoNvEnIeNt way to answer but also doesn't make you look very good

Quote:

Originally Posted by Funnygurl555 (Post 4643362)
xiz...................................

what possessed you to do this?


i have no idea what this was about bc this video is unlisted. please stop me before i make unlisted video reads plz they are shallow and bad

Quote:

Originally Posted by Funnygurl555 (Post 4643575)
i have a feeling that celery forgetting about eod is actually not nai. if celery isn't here for eod i'm auto not voting for him.

sry paranoia

this post had a few too many nots for me to understand but i think it means she doesn't want to lynch cel

Quote:

Originally Posted by Funnygurl555 (Post 4643661)
uuuuuugggggggghhhhhhhh guys don't kill me im town

also @freezin oh. yeah in the cool event that i dont die this eod, ima look at w_c

this is about wanting to look at wc and freezin was like "hey i said that first" which isn't strong, but it's something

Quote:

Originally Posted by Funnygurl555 (Post 4644121)
oh ok freezin's like radiating town to me. im too lazy rn tho y'all it's been a wild ride of effort on my front for the past... hour

ima try to get myself back to the promise land of DEE SIX now

lolrip, back to back reading wolves (the xiz iso is the post before this), come away with one as wolfy and one super town

Quote:

Originally Posted by Funnygurl555 (Post 4644185)
y'all gotta read on xiz? xiz looks like a scum imo after that iso

iso's are effort guys yikes wow ugh i hate effort especially for ppl who post a lot

talked about the iso before but i like the look of this follow-up

Quote:

Originally Posted by Funnygurl555 (Post 4644821)
what goes around comes around



I swapped because w_c was just sitting there watching the EOD happen. He was clearly there because he was posting. It was shady, man.

the first thing is xiz picking on a bit of hypocrisy from her about hating people who say "i don't have many wolves" which seems like a good look

Quote:

Originally Posted by Funnygurl555 (Post 4644924)
i wanna kill xiz or maybe ind idk i didnt look at ind

hey nice xiz is top wolf

Quote:

Originally Posted by Funnygurl555 (Post 4645319)
xiz

quoted just for how far it is from the other posts, she literally popped in to do this even though prec dropped a case on her and then apparently fell asleep. chance it's like "oh i need some cred" but she seemed so strongly locked in on it and townreading blind who became the counter

Quote:

Originally Posted by Funnygurl555 (Post 4645943)
we have to have either an sk or a vig for that kill. freezin claimed something, so i bet the town wouldn't vig him. we prolly have a serial killer

so if the only prs we have is gunsmith and hider, then we have 4 T's, which would mean that we don't have an sk?

something's up

not reading the setup is up, apparently - this could contradict the SK pov thing i just said


man i know i'm late but the state of this day feels kinda sad

funny posts; they don't feel as clearing to me as the ones with blind but they feel good and i'm a lil worried that's most of what i'll find, is just varying amounts of WOW CLEAR on people and have to sort that out

so currently blind looks better than funny for not being a wolf

inDheart 08-26-2018 10:15 PM

Re: TWG CLXXX - OuO what's this? [Game Thread]
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Precarious (Post 4643433)
Okay, I'm basically going to just be posting direct reactions to the whole day basically.

My basic leans are:

Xiz, Cel, DBP, Sun, inD - town

WC, Freezin - null

FG, Blind, TPS - Wolfy

But these reads feel kind of shitty. They're more or less in likelihood of individual anti-town (e.g. someone wolfy is more likely to be a wolf than null, and null than town), but it's still largely just behavioral, and I wouldn't be surprised to find a wolf in my town group. But vacillating aside, that's where I'm at. I'll be making a lot of posts all in a row.

Regarding yesterday, I haven't really seen a lot of discussion regarding possible distributions. Only one NK makes it less likely that there's a SK, but obviously not impossible--a blocked kill could be a thing. At this stage, there's still too little info to piece together what the actual enemy state is, but this is something that should be considered as more information becomes available.

you seem

pretty high on xiz suddenly here, and reading it again you also seem pretty high on sunfan given your later posting is saying he's got the inconsistency thing going on with his read on syhto

i've basically said this before but i'm saying it again

inDheart 08-26-2018 10:19 PM

Re: TWG CLXXX - OuO what's this? [Game Thread]
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by inDheart (Post 4643475)
eh, it's important to reading funny though imo

i'm thinking about gradi's "people are ok with fg doing this stuff?" post which is like, people's eyes are glazing over it and it's going ignored, although when i went back i did find some people's reasons for that, like sunfan's confidence in his read on her

xiz/fg could be w/w since seems like xiz was trying to talk over gradi

i forgot this happened - freezin was choosing to ignore gradiant-related things and xiz was trying to make other things happen at eod1 by voting dbp - so yeah, add this to me not being able to clear funny from wolf as easily

the sun fan 08-26-2018 10:24 PM

Re: TWG CLXXX - OuO what's this? [Game Thread]
 
hello yes I am still bad at French

the sun fan 08-26-2018 10:25 PM

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can we get some votes down just so its more clear where people lie

Funnygurl555 08-26-2018 10:30 PM

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ayy i made an eod

the sun fan 08-26-2018 10:31 PM

Re: TWG CLXXX - OuO what's this? [Game Thread]
 
Tps if you're here 2 more posts would make me feel good and nice because right now I am slightly apprehensive

Funnygurl555 08-26-2018 10:32 PM

Re: TWG CLXXX - OuO what's this? [Game Thread]
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Celirra (Post 4646364)
AlSo WhErE iS fUnNyGuRl AnD wHy Is ShE nOt DoInG aNyThInG

sorry, laziness. it feels like the game's solved.

Tps222 08-26-2018 10:33 PM

Re: TWG CLXXX - OuO what's this? [Game Thread]
 
Current vote count?

Funnygurl555 08-26-2018 10:33 PM

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i feel like ind's some sort of scum who thinks i'm an easy person to lynch

like every scum ever really haha

Funnygurl555 08-26-2018 10:34 PM

Re: TWG CLXXX - OuO what's this? [Game Thread]
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by YoshL (Post 4646392)
Votes from post 2564 to post 2820
Night in 1:58:44

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  • Votes -- Lynch -- Voters
  • 1 -- Precarious -- the sun fan (84)
  • 6 -- not voting -- blindreper1179 (36), Celirra (67), Funnygurl555 (14), inDheart (25), Precarious (20), Tps222 (8)

^ didnt really change from this man

Tps222 08-26-2018 10:34 PM

Re: TWG CLXXX - OuO what's this? [Game Thread]
 
1 vote on prec no others?

I feel worse about [TWGVOTE] funny [/TWGVOTE] than precarious

Tps222 08-26-2018 10:35 PM

Re: TWG CLXXX - OuO what's this? [Game Thread]
 
Funny

inDheart 08-26-2018 10:36 PM

Re: TWG CLXXX - OuO what's this? [Game Thread]
 
im back to the chat about the mass claim wondering out how wolves figured out there was an SK bc otherwise one of them would also have to fake claim or something or freezin's just outed as discussed

i don't think the posts about tps potentially not adding to the mass claim really hit me before

Funnygurl555 08-26-2018 10:36 PM

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woah woah woah wait tps don't do that

inDheart 08-26-2018 10:38 PM

Re: TWG CLXXX - OuO what's this? [Game Thread]
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Funnygurl555 (Post 4646427)
i feel like ind's some sort of scum who thinks i'm an easy person to lynch

like every scum ever really haha

i'm looking in a group that is literally 2/3 scum unless shenanigans

i basically have to baseline suspect you to do my due diligence

inDheart 08-26-2018 10:41 PM

Re: TWG CLXXX - OuO what's this? [Game Thread]
 
the last three to claim before tps were...me, prec and fg in that order

lmao that's not helpful at all, wolves had to know

Funnygurl555 08-26-2018 10:42 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by YoshL (Post 4645495)
Final Votecount

Votes from post 1861 to post 2558
It is night

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again, please message privately if there's something wrong with the votecount

well, yeah same. i'm kinda not thinking about who the sk could possibly be right now. based on eod though, blind's basically clear from being scum (sorry precarious) so the last wolf is between you and precarious

from there, there's a 50% chance that one of you's the sk due to pure chance

i'm fine with lynching either of you

the sun fan 08-26-2018 10:45 PM

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I really don't think I can support the fg lynch

Funnygurl555 08-26-2018 10:46 PM

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thanks for always having my back sunfan

the sun fan 08-26-2018 10:46 PM

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I'm honestly pretty frustrated that I'm not being listened to but w/e
I think several people have said that at least once this game

Precarious 08-26-2018 10:47 PM

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General thoughts:

From my perspective, there is a pool of three players which necessarily contains both a wolf and an SK.

My thoughts on Blind have been made clear, and I'm not going to reiterate them, save to note that his absence late is telling. Once he feels he's out of danger, he feels no further need to participate. In general, his actions have been self-serving, even if his activity level is apparently atypical of a wolf-Blind. In part, that's because I think he's the serial killer. He has repeatedly stated that he's not concerned about being lynched absent pressure--because the actual gamestate doesn't matter to him.

That leaves a wolf between inD and Funny.

inD is difficult to evaluate. I've been trying to ISO him (with time becoming an issue), and I feel my lack of meta-knowledge here is hurtful. His temperament has been pretty even--his tone was sort of aggressive in the joke phase, but since then has been even--almost too even. However, he seems to be really interacting with the content; he was the first person to meaningfully look at my Blind case; even if I didn't agree with all his conclusions, I feel like he read it. I'm not sure what to make of his late cases here; they seem well thought out, but this game has made me cynical and I wonder if they're a reaction to a gamestate dangerous to an anti-town inD.

Funny is...problematic. Upon review, none of her posts are actually that offensive to me. When I did the long post linking her to Blind, for example, I actually started by looking for wolf-tells, since I had them both linked at the time. But while I could do a few things, they ultimately felt flimsy.

The problem with Funny is that her overall performance doesn't fit a town player, even if her individual posts work. What gave her town cred in the mid game (late D2) is ultimately what leads me to believe she's the wolf--all that effort, actual reads and work, went out the window as soon as Funny ceased to be a viable target. There are other possible reasons for this, but to me it feels like she stepped off the gas once the pressure disappeared. Overall, I think she's the wolf.

I would lynch in the order Blind>Funny>InD.

Celirra 08-26-2018 10:48 PM

Re: TWG CLXXX - OuO what's this? [Game Thread]
 
I woke up

Funnygurl555 08-26-2018 10:48 PM

Re: TWG CLXXX - OuO what's this? [Game Thread]
 
but like also think about it fmpov guys. if im wrong and we lynch the other town in the pool of me ind prec and blind, then i know who the wolf and sk are next phase

i guess we also could... lose if that happens

Funnygurl555 08-26-2018 10:49 PM

Re: TWG CLXXX - OuO what's this? [Game Thread]
 
precarious, you remember danganronpa right????

that was my last wolf game. consistent effort the whole time. i was *never* on the chopping block

inDheart 08-26-2018 10:50 PM

Re: TWG CLXXX - OuO what's this? [Game Thread]
 
man i'm not gonna finish in time

post inc with what i do have ig

Celirra 08-26-2018 10:50 PM

Re: TWG CLXXX - OuO what's this? [Game Thread]
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Precarious (Post 4646441)
General thoughts:

From my perspective, there is a pool of three players which necessarily contains both a wolf and an SK.

My thoughts on Blind have been made clear, and I'm not going to reiterate them, save to note that his absence late is telling. Once he feels he's out of danger, he feels no further need to participate. In general, his actions have been self-serving, even if his activity level is apparently atypical of a wolf-Blind. In part, that's because I think he's the serial killer. He has repeatedly stated that he's not concerned about being lynched absent pressure--because the actual gamestate doesn't matter to him.

That leaves a wolf between inD and Funny.

inD is difficult to evaluate. I've been trying to ISO him (with time becoming an issue), and I feel my lack of meta-knowledge here is hurtful. His temperament has been pretty even--his tone was sort of aggressive in the joke phase, but since then has been even--almost too even. However, he seems to be really interacting with the content; he was the first person to meaningfully look at my Blind case; even if I didn't agree with all his conclusions, I feel like he read it. I'm not sure what to make of his late cases here; they seem well thought out, but this game has made me cynical and I wonder if they're a reaction to a gamestate dangerous to an anti-town inD.

Funny is...problematic. Upon review, none of her posts are actually that offensive to me. When I did the long post linking her to Blind, for example, I actually started by looking for wolf-tells, since I had them both linked at the time. But while I could do a few things, they ultimately felt flimsy.

The problem with Funny is that her overall performance doesn't fit a town player, even if her individual posts work. What gave her town cred in the mid game (late D2) is ultimately what leads me to believe she's the wolf--all that effort, actual reads and work, went out the window as soon as Funny ceased to be a viable target. There are other possible reasons for this, but to me it feels like she stepped off the gas once the pressure disappeared. Overall, I think she's the wolf.

I would lynch in the order Blind>Funny>InD.

Your accusations of ind and funny dont really match the ones you gave to blind, even if I agree with the end order it doesnt feel organic still, which is the big vibe I'm getting

the sun fan 08-26-2018 10:50 PM

Re: TWG CLXXX - OuO what's this? [Game Thread]
 
my order rn is lynch prec, reevaluate potentially, if I don't need to reevaluate I'd lynch inD

Tps, plz hide behind funnygurl tonight if she is not lynched today and we lynch a scum today

if she is lynched today and is scum, plz hide behind inDheart

Celirra 08-26-2018 10:51 PM

Re: TWG CLXXX - OuO what's this? [Game Thread]
 
I am going to sheep whatever sunfan says this phase about voting.

inDheart 08-26-2018 10:51 PM

Re: TWG CLXXX - OuO what's this? [Game Thread]
 
think i'm gonna take notes on prec's posts with postnums instead

922 xiz as null->wolf but reads like a meta read mostly, freezin as the most null, syhto's the main wolf here

Quote:

Originally Posted by Precarious (Post 4642632)
Of course you're not, I have you listed as wolfy. But I'd actually agree it's a bit mushy--this game kind of sucks right now, since everyone is sort of blending together.

xiz wasn't a fan of prec's reads and got this in response

Quote:

Originally Posted by Precarious (Post 4643588)
FG certainly looks a lot townier after that case, anyway.

O_O

Quote:

Originally Posted by Precarious (Post 4643669)
This is actually a valid point.

O_O

Quote:

Originally Posted by Precarious (Post 4643739)
I'll vote Cel over Funny, who has sold me on her game, but there is a better option.

O_O

(my eyes aren't actually widening but i'm having fun following the progression i know is going to happen)

2162 (i'm finding less interacty stuff than i expected tbh) he uses freezin's comment as leverage to continue his case on blind

Quote:

Originally Posted by Precarious (Post 4644646)
What I'm saying is that Blind reacted extremely harshly to the original statement, a minor mechanical elaboration in the middle of a much larger post. That's fine on its own, even if it feels unwarranted.

But virtually every subsequent reaction Blind had with me yesterday hammered home the idea that he didn't understand what the problem was with my post, which calls into question the sincerity of his criticism. He also argues that he never read the discussion concerning the post (mostly by DBP), having reacted immediately to it after seeing it. Yet if he didn't understand what was wrong with it, how could he have found reason to attack it if he hadn't read everyone else's commentary on the subject? This is particularly true since my own initial reaction post, which he quoted, made note that said discussion existed.

just kind of an explainer. to borrow a word this feels even-keeled in how he's handling non-blind people and things

Quote:

Originally Posted by Precarious (Post 4645099)
Do you mean in format or content? If you don't like how it's presented, sorry. If you disagree with the content, well, I suspect you can understand the situation you're in mechanically. Either you're a wolf, or you're a town power role whose power only activates when you're lynched.

ok here's something

like if wolves know an SK exists then tps is just always a town power, and the world he's setting up is there's """2 town powers""" alive as ideal world 1. it's the woodenly mechanical treatment in response and freezin just calls it gross, which is kinda lol

Quote:

Originally Posted by Precarious (Post 4645105)
That's not going to fly. What is your specific role?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Precarious (Post 4645107)
Actually hold that thought for a moment.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Precarious (Post 4645112)
I've been reviewing the game rolls. The Gunsmith RR appears to be the only time where two points are used to generate only a single role. An additional I, P, H, K, or R would generate one additional blue role, which means (assuming Tps' truthfulness), we're at KRRXTTT, where X isn't a T--which doesn't implicate Freezin.

I think it would still be better for Tps to fully claim, but I'm still trying to wrap my mind around the potential implications of doing so.

muscling into world 1, but more importantly, i'm not sure he was thinking about the ~20% chance that his team just gets owned when he posted this

man i didn't realize i got "this is actually a good point"ed too in 2306


tl;dr prec doesn't seem to talk to the wolves much; would need to see how much of the reverse happens with more time besides them just saying his posts are gross without much else

the sun fan 08-26-2018 10:51 PM

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again, can we pls get some votes to know where people stand thanks

the sun fan 08-26-2018 10:51 PM

Re: TWG CLXXX - OuO what's this? [Game Thread]
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Celirra (Post 4646448)
I am going to sheep whatever sunfan says this phase about voting.

please vote for Precarious thanks

Precarious 08-26-2018 10:52 PM

Re: TWG CLXXX - OuO what's this? [Game Thread]
 
So, assuming I'm lynched, the above is my best guess. Obviously it deviates from the norm. I would emphasize following the Hide plan, and that TPS commit to it publicly.

YoshL 08-26-2018 10:52 PM

Re: TWG CLXXX - OuO what's this? [Game Thread]
 
Votes from post 2564 to post 2865
Night in 0:08:37

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  • Votes -- Lynch -- Voters
  • 1 -- Precarious -- the sun fan (96)
  • 1 -- Funnygurl555 -- Tps222 (14)
  • 5 -- not voting -- blindreper1179 (37), Celirra (70), Funnygurl555 (23), inDheart (36), Precarious (22)

:00 good :01 bad

Celirra 08-26-2018 10:52 PM

Re: TWG CLXXX - OuO what's this? [Game Thread]
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by the sun fan (Post 4646447)
my order rn is lynch prec, reevaluate potentially, if I don't need to reevaluate I'd lynch inD

Tps, plz hide behind funnygurl tonight if she is not lynched today and we lynch a scum today

if she is lynched today and is scum, plz hide behind inDheart

tps if you can please verbally agree to this

inDheart 08-26-2018 10:52 PM

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i feel best about blind not being a wolf, at least

i am prepared to vote prec, i was just hoping i could get that out to give him some chance of response

Celirra 08-26-2018 10:53 PM

Re: TWG CLXXX - OuO what's this? [Game Thread]
 
precarious

Precarious 08-26-2018 10:54 PM

Re: TWG CLXXX - OuO what's this? [Game Thread]
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Funnygurl555 (Post 4646444)
precarious, you remember danganronpa right????

that was my last wolf game. consistent effort the whole time. i was *never* on the chopping block

That you're aware of that suggests that you're capable of subverting it.

Celirra 08-26-2018 10:55 PM

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btw if it goes to 2-1-1 make sure to sleep
Or if it goes to 3-1-0

Precarious 08-26-2018 10:56 PM

Re: TWG CLXXX - OuO what's this? [Game Thread]
 
Blind

I will change my vote to avoid being lynched if that becomes a thing, but I doubt it. TPS, please commit publicly to hiding in the event of my lynch and town flip.

Celirra 08-26-2018 10:56 PM

Re: TWG CLXXX - OuO what's this? [Game Thread]
 
Didnt wolf precarious give up at this point when he had so much pressure on him in the last game? him still fighting makes me think he may be ok..

the sun fan 08-26-2018 10:56 PM

Re: TWG CLXXX - OuO what's this? [Game Thread]
 
if we miss, don't hide Tps, but I think you wanted to do that already

YoshL 08-26-2018 10:56 PM

Re: TWG CLXXX - OuO what's this? [Game Thread]
 
Votes from post 2564 to post 2874
Night in 0:04:32

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  • Votes -- Lynch -- Voters
  • 2 -- Precarious -- the sun fan (97), Celirra (74)
  • 1 -- Funnygurl555 -- Tps222 (14)
  • 1 -- blindreper1179 -- Precarious (24)
  • 3 -- not voting -- blindreper1179 (37), Funnygurl555 (23), inDheart (37)

:00 good :01 bad

Celirra 08-26-2018 10:56 PM

Re: TWG CLXXX - OuO what's this? [Game Thread]
 
Well actually I guess that may just be because hes the only chance he has now idk

the sun fan 08-26-2018 10:57 PM

Re: TWG CLXXX - OuO what's this? [Game Thread]
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Celirra (Post 4646460)
Didnt wolf precarious give up at this point when he had so much pressure on him in the last game? him still fighting makes me think he may be ok..

that's always a dangerous read to use, if I used that on Xiz then that would've been pretty fucky

Funnygurl555 08-26-2018 10:57 PM

Re: TWG CLXXX - OuO what's this? [Game Thread]
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Precarious (Post 4646457)
That you're aware of that suggests that you're capable of subverting it.

you just want to believe what you want to believe

it's okay though. if i were scum i'd be trying this hard too to implicate someone

Celirra 08-26-2018 10:57 PM

Re: TWG CLXXX - OuO what's this? [Game Thread]
 
Prec not self pres'ing is :thinking:

Celirra 08-26-2018 10:57 PM

Re: TWG CLXXX - OuO what's this? [Game Thread]
 
Funny who you voting for


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