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I think he's a false positive, but that could be it.

I just feel like wolf Plop would want to distance from FFA and hide in the forest of FFA voters.

I think Plop just legitimately want to figure things out.

Re: TWG Turbo 30 - The Nonary Werewolf Games [Game Thread]
 

can we stop entertaining "if ffa flips wolf" discussions
I'm town, and I really don't like our chances of winning if we lynch me first

whichever way you try to argue, I have several points nearly proving I can't be fake
CK, if you're confident that town wins a F3 with raeko/sunfan/plop, be my guest
but that seems like a really hard F3 to me
the F5 with 3 confirmed towns is a lot more luxurious

Re: TWG Turbo 30 - The Nonary Werewolf Games [Game Thread]
 

i can't be sure of anything until i see flips




someone who's not ffa tell me what the best mechanical move is here lol

Re: TWG Turbo 30 - The Nonary Werewolf Games [Game Thread]
 

If ffa does turn out to be a wolf then that means either sunfan or raeko bussed him last EOD, putting or otherwise keeping him in a KITB scenario. Or it means haku really did get coverup'd. But none of that seems likely.

Re: TWG Turbo 30 - The Nonary Werewolf Games [Game Thread]
 

If ffa fakeclaimed, why do you think he decided to out himself right then and there?

Re: TWG Turbo 30 - The Nonary Werewolf Games [Game Thread]
 

FFA is a wolf (lol), TWGma is town:

Lynch twgma first, ck dies in the night, ffa is lynched, haku dies in the night > F3 raeko/sunfan/plop where ugh as soon as I hit this point my brain stops working because how can any of them be a wolf when I flip wolf? It's not possible. But like, I guess plop is the best lynch there and is probably the best odds at being my partner from your guys' pov?

Lynch FFA first, TWGma either succeeds in a block or dies and clears a townie, lynch plop anyway

The order doesn't matter in worlds where I'm a wolf, you see? Can you agree with this statement, or do you have other ideas

Re: TWG Turbo 30 - The Nonary Werewolf Games [Game Thread]
 

i'd have to go back and read (can't right this second, but i can in a lil while if you'd like me to) to try and find out. i hadn't really thought about why he chose when he did.

Re: TWG Turbo 30 - The Nonary Werewolf Games [Game Thread]
 

TWGma is a wolf (duh), FFA is town:

Lynch twgma first, FFA either succeeds in a block or dies and clears sunfan, lynch the fallout (mechanical victory)

Lynch FFA first, CK dies in the night, TWGma is lynched, haku dies in the night > F3 raeko/sunfan/plop where plop is probably town, you guys probably end up lynching sunfan?

The order here matters a ton, as it changes who you guys actually lynch meaningfully

so tldr it's higher EV to lynch TWGma first, even if he ends up being town, but he's not, because I wouldn't have claimed to block him in any scenario where I am a wolf

Re: TWG Turbo 30 - The Nonary Werewolf Games [Game Thread]
 

I'd suggest it just so you can get an unbiased look at how it all went down. It seemed really out of the blue.

Also, while ffa is the type who can plan out a fakeclaim well in advance, he admittedly softed while twgma, who suspected he might be lynched, only offered a brief reads list.

Re: TWG Turbo 30 - The Nonary Werewolf Games [Game Thread]
 

nothing about the timing was super specific
I just realized that the time I claim today doesn't matter if I'm the lead wagon anyway, so I'd better give town time to reread with that knowledge
I'll be honest, I wasn't expecting a fake claim because it isn't lylo, but now I'm realizing it's not as much of a throw as it looked, since that F3 is really hard to win.
A factor in my claim timing was you coming to the terms that I looked town by threadspew, but couldn't get over my soft yesterday.

Re: TWG Turbo 30 - The Nonary Werewolf Games [Game Thread]
 

boo, this is bad
you've never played a game with me

Re: TWG Turbo 30 - The Nonary Werewolf Games [Game Thread]
 

so this is where i think i'm getting confused. i legitimately don't understand why lynching twgma first is the best plan.

if we lynch twgma first (and you're lying), it goes as you said.

if we lynch you first (and you're lying), twgma either saves me or haku, or tries to roleblock a wolf. does a jailkeeper die if their target is "killed" by a wolf? (i legitimately do not remember, sorry)

if he doesn't die in that case: either haku/i die or neither of us do (depends on who the wolf targets) and if neither of us died, we have a chance of having extra people around

if we lynch twgma first (and you're not lying), haku or i will still probably die in the night

if we lynch you first (and you're not lying) then haku or I die in the night anyway and we're back to where we started.

Re: TWG Turbo 30 - The Nonary Werewolf Games [Game Thread]
 

This was at 11:58, technically before but really at the same time the CFD onto bolth happened:

So while it was ffa[3] and twgma[3] at that time, the speed of the thread means we can say twgma thought it was different. But either way, he knew he was up there, and at two mins to EOD, why would the non-1 shot PR not claim to save themselves?

But then again, why wouldn't ffa either?

Re: TWG Turbo 30 - The Nonary Werewolf Games [Game Thread]
 

twgma always needs to go for the roleblock, he can't target himself so the wolf is always going to kill him
the wolf will not even begin to entertain killing you or haku first in worlds where I'm a wolf, because he's confirmed town already and is the only PR able to win the game at that point

Re: TWG Turbo 30 - The Nonary Werewolf Games [Game Thread]
 

I would have claimed at 4
I didn't think I was in any real danger of dying if I wasn't at 4
I was only in the kitb because I couldn't vote fast enough

Re: TWG Turbo 30 - The Nonary Werewolf Games [Game Thread]
 

Compare this to my prior game where I did the exact same thing.. this isn't out of the realm of normalcy for me to do as a blue.

Re: TWG Turbo 30 - The Nonary Werewolf Games [Game Thread]
 

maybe you can explain to me
how do you think I arrived at a fake claim of "roleblocker, targeted twgma"?
I'm interested in seeing what kind of bull you can concoct actually

Re: TWG Turbo 30 - The Nonary Werewolf Games [Game Thread]
 

As boomer? Didn't the opposite happen? You thought you were gonna be insta'd so you claimed early into the phase. Here you thought you might be lynched but you didn't claim anything.

Re: TWG Turbo 30 - The Nonary Werewolf Games [Game Thread]
 

taking a break from assembling a desk for danceguy to pick up our food (gonna be a bit)
will catch up

Re: TWG Turbo 30 - The Nonary Werewolf Games [Game Thread]
 

I eagerly await sunfan's analysis

Re: TWG Turbo 30 - The Nonary Werewolf Games [Game Thread]
 

I haven't really paid much attention to him, I'll admit
I tend to always think he's scummy, even last game before he claimed I thought he was very lynchable

this is fairly partnery, I'll admit

I think ffa is also more right than wrong when he says that plop's reaction to his claim was not super partnery, it was like reverse partnery, because partners usually apply early pressure after the claim battle begins

Re: TWG Turbo 30 - The Nonary Werewolf Games [Game Thread]
 

no, the jailkeeper doesn't die in that scenario

Re: TWG Turbo 30 - The Nonary Werewolf Games [Game Thread]
 

you know what

yeah i forgot about that, my bad dude

Re: TWG Turbo 30 - The Nonary Werewolf Games [Game Thread]
 

thanks

Re: TWG Turbo 30 - The Nonary Werewolf Games [Game Thread]
 

tiffany, you (should) always die before haku in those hypothetical worlds, because haku is a wolf in at least some of them, whereas you are a wolf in none of them

Re: TWG Turbo 30 - The Nonary Werewolf Games [Game Thread]
 

but that's on the night following tonight, of course
not tonight

Re: TWG Turbo 30 - The Nonary Werewolf Games [Game Thread]
 

I think ffa, regardless of his alignment, is getting a lot more wrapped up in how townie he thinks he's being, which means that his posts in the postgame are going to be a bit tough to read
I don't look forward to this, even if I do end up reading things correctly

Re: TWG Turbo 30 - The Nonary Werewolf Games [Game Thread]
 

something I'm very confused on is why Trevor would fakeclaim here
seems like a very strange spot

Re: TWG Turbo 30 - The Nonary Werewolf Games [Game Thread]
 

ffa had practically been doing everything but claiming for the entire game, so that one makes sense regardless to me

Re: TWG Turbo 30 - The Nonary Werewolf Games [Game Thread]
 

I meant hiding until I felt I absolutely had to claim.
In this phase, that's obvious why.
In this one, I didn't think I was in that much danger D0 and could slip through the cracks despite being up there near the end.
If I was still heavily on the block with about 2 minutes left, that might have been different, but with votes flying around with 5 mins left or so, I was fine staying silent.
In AC, I was getting heavy pressure, but also needed to curtail it early on instead of having a scramble later on, and potentially dealing with a false claim.

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lmao

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I'll wait

Re: TWG Turbo 30 - The Nonary Werewolf Games [Game Thread]
 

AS IS TRADITION

Re: TWG Turbo 30 - The Nonary Werewolf Games [Game Thread]
 

that's how you know I'm not lying tbh

Re: TWG Turbo 30 - The Nonary Werewolf Games [Game Thread]
 

I have to admit, if you're fake, you're doing a good job of making it seem real, you even would've had to have been faking that shit about twgma and the dream

Re: TWG Turbo 30 - The Nonary Werewolf Games [Game Thread]
 

idk man
why did trevor fakeclaim, ffa
that's what I don't get

Re: TWG Turbo 30 - The Nonary Werewolf Games [Game Thread]
 

obviously I can't say for sure
and while I think the fakeclaim is slightly suboptimal it's not terrible
it's good odds that it ensures I get mislynched and then sets the wolf team up for a really solid F3

btw you slipped and implied you know twgma is the fake claim realread/10

Re: TWG Turbo 30 - The Nonary Werewolf Games [Game Thread]
 

Common sense would say; "to make ffa die".

Re: TWG Turbo 30 - The Nonary Werewolf Games [Game Thread]
 

maybe twgma was hoping I was VT actually
that works

Re: TWG Turbo 30 - The Nonary Werewolf Games [Game Thread]
 

PoE might be too easy if PR was allowed to live.

Re: TWG Turbo 30 - The Nonary Werewolf Games [Game Thread]
 

naaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah

Re: TWG Turbo 30 - The Nonary Werewolf Games [Game Thread]
 

ok yeah that must be it if he's fake

Re: TWG Turbo 30 - The Nonary Werewolf Games [Game Thread]
 

gotta clarify that "if" man

Re: TWG Turbo 30 - The Nonary Werewolf Games [Game Thread]
 

consider it clarified

Re: TWG Turbo 30 - The Nonary Werewolf Games [Game Thread]
 

idk
its really stupid but the thing I keep thinking about is how much more likely it is for ffa to fakeclaim than for trevor

Re: TWG Turbo 30 - The Nonary Werewolf Games [Game Thread]
 

tbf
I've only ever fake claimed as town, barring one time I counter claimed cop in lylo, that was basically forced
given how safe I play as a wolf, I'd argue that I don't make a fake claim like this to begin with
then you start adding the mechanical soundness of my claim and twgma's starts to fall apart

Re: TWG Turbo 30 - The Nonary Werewolf Games [Game Thread]
 

wait I forgot about the ZD game
that was also forced because character identities were alignment indicative AND I had no idea what characters could or couldn't be in the game
for reference, in the TPB game, I literally claimed 1x strongman, which was what my power was
I even claimed to be orange, which was also true

Re: TWG Turbo 30 - The Nonary Werewolf Games [Game Thread]
 

I unlocked terraforming in animal crossing today and it's the best thing ever

Re: TWG Turbo 30 - The Nonary Werewolf Games [Game Thread]
 

Why is it more likely for ffa to do it?

Re: TWG Turbo 30 - The Nonary Werewolf Games [Game Thread]
 

I'm looking forward to unlocking it! I wanna make some pathways so badly.

Re: TWG Turbo 30 - The Nonary Werewolf Games [Game Thread]
 

I made a little shrine on an island for satoru iwata and I surrounded it with like waterfalls and crap, it's lovely

Re: TWG Turbo 30 - The Nonary Werewolf Games [Game Thread]
 

just from knowing both of them

Re: TWG Turbo 30 - The Nonary Werewolf Games [Game Thread]
 

Well,

Re: TWG Turbo 30 - The Nonary Werewolf Games [Game Thread]
 

ffa agreed with it, if that helps

Re: TWG Turbo 30 - The Nonary Werewolf Games [Game Thread]
 

I'm dying to know what's next

Re: TWG Turbo 30 - The Nonary Werewolf Games [Game Thread]
 

Oh, I forgot that's an inside joke, lol

"Well," = loss for words type of response

Re: TWG Turbo 30 - The Nonary Werewolf Games [Game Thread]
 

I don't think that's stupid at all

Re: TWG Turbo 30 - The Nonary Werewolf Games [Game Thread]
 

Vote Count

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the sun fan, TWGma

TWGma (2)
fatfuck42, flashflash account

the sun fan (1)
Hakulyte

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Re: TWG Turbo 30 - The Nonary Werewolf Games [Game Thread]
 

you know what

twgma/sunfan wolf team

twgma

Re: TWG Turbo 30 - The Nonary Werewolf Games [Game Thread]
 

think it's pretty interesting that FFA still hasn't moved his vote off me despite having a "confirmed" wolf counter claim him

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I'm just gonna do it cause if insta happens I don't really care, I don't know how much more we are going to get out of this thunderdome

FFA

Re: TWG Turbo 30 - The Nonary Werewolf Games [Game Thread]
 

it's funny cause that's your boyfriend's fault

Re: TWG Turbo 30 - The Nonary Werewolf Games [Game Thread]
 

whatever

Re: TWG Turbo 30 - The Nonary Werewolf Games [Game Thread]
 

Our fate's in haku's hands now.

Re: TWG Turbo 30 - The Nonary Werewolf Games [Game Thread]
 

I still think there's a chance town sunfan comes back and votes for twgma
or I hope there's a chance

Re: TWG Turbo 30 - The Nonary Werewolf Games [Game Thread]
 

Vote Count

flashflash account (3)
the sun fan, TWGma, mellon_collie

TWGma (3)
fatfuck42, flashflash account, Cold Kitten

the sun fan (1)
Hakulyte

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Re: TWG Turbo 30 - The Nonary Werewolf Games [Game Thread]
 

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Insta is 4.

It's 3:3 heh ?

Well, before the claims I was more leaning toward TWGma/Sunfan.

Re: TWG Turbo 30 - The Nonary Werewolf Games [Game Thread]
 

wait
what about bus driver

Re: TWG Turbo 30 - The Nonary Werewolf Games [Game Thread]
 

The amount of blatant defending of FFA by his partner is astounding. I don't know why I bothered trying to defend myself to Plop. In my eyes there's no way it's not FFA/Plop and if it is, wolves fucking deserve this game.

Re: TWG Turbo 30 - The Nonary Werewolf Games [Game Thread]
 

real talk... I got called out for defending multiple people and what I was doing was NOTHING compared to this

Re: TWG Turbo 30 - The Nonary Werewolf Games [Game Thread]
 

does roleblocker have priority over bus driver


also twgma if it's me/plop then it's never anything else, so you win anyway if I'm a wolf
I did the math dude

Re: TWG Turbo 30 - The Nonary Werewolf Games [Game Thread]
 

Like, if FFA and his partner (if somehow NOT Plop) distanced themselves THIS well, like, full kudos, that's some masterwork. But this is just..

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Re: TWG Turbo 30 - The Nonary Werewolf Games [Game Thread]
 

The last time a wolf tried to do math to discredit me, town fucking lost anyway, so please excuse me as I disregard your statement.
(still salty over that liveTWG, Mashi. Still salty)

Re: TWG Turbo 30 - The Nonary Werewolf Games [Game Thread]
 

I wouldn't go so hard defending ffa if, prior to CK, I wasn't the only one who believed him.

Re: TWG Turbo 30 - The Nonary Werewolf Games [Game Thread]
 

I guess it's easier to believe me when you're not biased by history and just look at me how I am now
cough cough

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