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Funnygurl has died. They were...
It is now Night 2. Night 2 ends in roughly 12 hours, at 10:00 AM Central/Server time. |
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inDheart has died. They were...
It is now Day 3. Day 3 ends in roughly 12 hours, at 10:00 PM Central/Server time. ok pce fam |
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RIP.
I'ma reread FG on my first break to see if there's any other w/w tidbits she left but aorn my thoughts still land on sunfan. Xel I'ma need to see more from you today in terms of your thoughts on a game solution please and thank you As an aside, I hope ffa is alright cause the hour delay is worrying me. K see y'all in an hour or two |
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p sure its charu
not sure I can even lynch star for that eod xel /probably/ isn't going to vote for his partner like that kinda don't think that fg puts her partner in her scumreads like she put shado in and it really, really doesn't feel like town was just winning THAT hard yesterday |
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ever lynch star*
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I was actually expecting star to get kill there
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Anyways, I know the drill. I'm pretty much prime candidate for a lynch, so I hope y'all don't become complacent because the game ain't ending with my death. That's what happened last time when I decided to TWG hard.
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I tried to cfd her on d0 if you think i'm a wolf potential, you need your head checked I don't need to explain shit |
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Also thanks scum player ind was one of my worst reads so thanks for solving that for me
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Also gonna publically announce I think I am down to watch sunfam and charu dome it out
I find star being a wolf less likely rn but that may change on a reread when i get home |
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What, you think thesunfan is the last wolf if I'm not the wolf?
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Hey star how ya feeling today?
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I'm good, thanks for asking. Just glad my spark wasn't leading me in the wrong direction ;) |
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...Y'know, if thesunfan is wolf, this lead up actually makes absolute sense.
Something just clicked in my head after I read star's post. I don't know if he actually read Poptart as a hider if he is wolfing, but I do know that thesunfan is one of those folks who likes to put meta plays into the forefront when he's wolfing. I already mentioned in my last reads that thesunfan is reminding me of a moment back at Mafia Universe during a hydra. I think he was hydraing on AA, but it's been such a long time that I don't really recall what the beef was ever about. I just know it had to do something with a meta read or something. But star just brought up a very good series of posts that showcase something that thesunfan NEVER EVER does as a wolf. He will NEVER BUS. No matter the circumstances. ...It's odd, he's using meta and now I'm using a meta read, but I promise you that he has stated this as a fact in the many times he's played this game. He simply doesn't bus, it's not in his playstyle and he will tell you this 100% of the time. The fact he wasn't going all in on his own meta read against me about me randomly killing someone for the sake of randomness makes me think he hit a dead end with that call out. Oh my god... |
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Part of me wants yell out in joy that you guys are finally seeing what I've been saying, but a larger part is not liking the sudden unity on sunfan in a phase I think its crucial to reassess in.
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Xel voted for Funny, and well... Xel probably could bus, but he didn't look all that broken up about voting his own wolf. Granted he hasn't really given DEEP thoughts on the game as a whole, but the posting style he's given thus far has been pretty loose if he were to be wolfing. I mean, a theory could be had where Xel's and Funny's game plan was just the usual "let town implode" thing because that's been working awfully a lot recently. |
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TWG is hard. I could go on and on about why. I think the more I play, the more examples I have of myself being wrong - defending wolves and failing to reevaluate, misplaying as a blue, hanging blues while they are afk, etc. And in response to that, I have become my own worst enemy: I make myself miserable with worrying about how not to be wrong. |
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Has anyone actually seen Xel be a wolf or have any insight into how he might approach it (that hasn't been mentioned already)?
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Yesterday was unlike anything I've seen from you before, even in games I consider much harder to read than this one. That's why I had to ask for your take on your own mental space. Now this should probably a post game thing, but for what it's worth, I think the consensus is that you've by and large lived up to your name as a shining star leading town. That's definitely my thought as well. So don't beat yourself up over a couple mistakes here and there, it'll only cloud you up more |
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Man, if the wolf isn't thesunfan, then I don't see how we can win guys.
I'm assuming, if thesunfan is not a wolf, then star will die, and it'll be a F3 between me, Shadow, and Xel. There's no actual way for me to defend against this unless I dig really deep into... one of the two that have ample amounts of stuff I can probably turn about and actually try hard. Likewise, I'm assuming if some of you are thinking I'm a wolf, but then find out I'm not after the flip, you'll be stuck with thesunfan who now doesn't look too good either with star STILL probably dying with the same two folks at F3. I don't know, friends. |
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(I thought there was a post he had about being on FG's side of the rivalry but I can't find it, so maybe somebody else said it?)
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So, here's what I have to say. I think that, if I die, its not the greatest tragedy that the world has ever known. I'm not going to spend hours today, or in f3 if I'm there, defending myself and worrying about town winning.
I'm going to try of course. I think that the game is probably simple enough to where you can just kill me and charu in any order and win. I was playing video mafia last night and I was town. I was getting pushed on for (imo) mostly really bad reasoning, and I fought for an hour or so against my death, only to die and for town to get there in the end anyways. People were arguing that I HAD to die for reasons x, y and z (one of them turned out to be that I voted on a mafia, which is funny in hindsight) Obviously, its still good to try, but I do worry that my own words can get in the way of progress sometimes. Anyways I have been wrong on fg before. I think, if you look back, I had progression on her being scummy at like exactly the same time that inD did yesterday. I was honestly getting ready to vote her when I saw two people had done it already. Further, I was going to vote her at EOD and xel beat me to it. I know what that sounds like, but it is true. Believe me or don't. But I'll talk about where I think I went wrong on fg this game. T-Force might've hit the nail on the head, and maybe its easier (easIER and not EASY) for her to disguise herself when she is pushing on T-Force for meme reasons, but I still feel like I will usually find her. She had a good entrance in my opinion, and when she quoted one of my posts calling me town in all caps, I was pretty content with calling her town. When she and I interacted too, she felt in line with how she talks to me when she's town. Going back in time, I think that I would end up being right on fg on d1 a good bit above rand%, and I've been dead-ass wrong before on her (which T-Force mentioned even though I've really suppressed that game from my memory), I'm just USUALLY right. Once the votes came on her last EOD and she wasn't (pleading isn't the right word but I don't really have a better one) with her voters, I felt a lot better about voting her and with the wagon on her. I'd also said that it felt like wolves might've been getting buried by the postcount or struggling to voice their opinions or something, and I kind of still feel like that's it. Charu has (perhaps a bit less accurately than he realizes) said that I will never bus. I agree rather heavily with that, but if you look at the second EOD (don't look at that first one because it looks bad for me), I wasn't defending her. If I'm a wolf, I know that I probably need her alive at parity, otherwise its gonna be pretty tough for me moving forward. As you can probably tell, I haven't had the fight in me this game. I think that'd be kind of silly for me as a wolf, and I know its a bit sillier solely because I really was like about to vote for fg and then xel did it Looking at yesterday, I didn't really expect xel to vote for fg, and I don't think people would've super expected me to do it either, so I think wolves might've underestimated how likely it would be for fg to get lynched there over shado/charu (because at least one of them is always town). I think that this looks bad for Charu but w/e I also don't really have a backup lynch at the moment. Its probably impossible for me to get off of lynching Charu. If we do go to final 3, even if the Werewolf gods smite star-crossed today or something for the lynch, I will reevaluate everyone or w/e politician phrase you know I have to say here when my back is against the wall. I'm gonna try to have fun today in the meantime because I've enjoyed letting the game go, and not enjoyed trying to change the current (the star-crossed words per post analysis is the least I've enjoyed werewolf in a while). |
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(Sorry I will come back to analyze these, I just am trying to make use of the short time I have on my laptop)
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mr. sun, sun, mr. golden sun
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fuck, alright
well now I just deserve whatever happens to me |
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Let's also assume you're town. Do you see Star ever being a wolf here? How about Xel? Those aren't rhetorical lol I'd like you to actually consider that a world where it's town!you, star, Xel, and Charu in an F4 with NoLynch: Off. What percentage of the time do you not vote Charu, and in that case who do you vote for and why? |
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I don't ever see star being a wolf here, I think what I said earlier in the game was right; I don't think she was ever a beacon of towniness that she normally is in the early-game (at least I didn't see it), but with her posts at last eod, while voting fg with spanish question marks, I don't think its possible for her to be a wolf. your progression on fg on d0 looks good (hadn't gone back and reread but I read what star posted) and fg was also pushing you as well in a non-partnery way imo (she tends to not push on her partners) xel is, I guess, the remainder, but since I haven't used the word vintage today, I'll use it here. The way he reacted to people throwing out the idea of lynching him on d0 is the way that I associate town!xel with reacting. I could probably write 500 words on how he /could/ be a wolf, I just don't really think that it would be productive because its just charu. since we can't sleep in this bizarro f4 world you've given, I probably just vote for Charu, throw as many words at him while he and I are brought to the scaffold, and see who wins the thunderdome. numbers are arbitrary, but its a large percentage of the time that I vote Charu there, and it would take something pretty revolutionary to change my mind |
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you at least didn't flaunt |
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What?
I'm saying beak, BEAK! Not the other thing I think you're referring to! |
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I have a lot of respect for both wolves in this game. I think they are playing well. I just hope that town can play a bit better. |
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Hahahahaha omg you guys are too much
Thanks for entertaining the bizarro f4 funfam Bout to get on a laptop to reread funnys posts and then I think I'll have made peace with my vote |
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I think I can be as happy as I've ever been with being mislynched if everyone says that they'll kill Charu after they see that I'm town
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Same, to be honest. If I'm mislynched, they'll just go after you instead, I already outlined this, Mr. NotBigBeak
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But if I could explain my "defense". All of it was purely a meta/emotion read in regards to Funnygurl. She really did post differently this game than her other wolf games and you, the player, are free to look at the previous games if you so wish to. You can even look at the game that just got done and compare her posts.
They're so much more "happy" in tone rather than the latter. Maybe it was the fact she was gonna get a first phase lynch on T-Force with no work, but no one can deny if they compare this game to the others on this site. The only thing she, once again, is guilty of is not giving a whole lot of her opinions except for select few. She never provided a reads list, but that's just her no matter what. It's why I defended her and decided to vote Shadow because I really, truly thought the circumstances surrounding her posts and her "slank" were both town and valid. Stinks to be wrong |
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I'm kind of confident the other wolf didn't bus. And one of the three nonfg voters is dead So my reads reset and i think a reread plus a dome results in a stronger town circle. |
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I wonder if I would have been the nightkill if I had just managed to hold it together a little better at the day end.
Anyway, my brain is a bit of mush at the moment. If the team is Shado and Funnygurl, then their strategy on end of day 0 was ultimately probably to get T-Force hanged, maybe Subaru if they are lucky. There is a decent amount of bickering and putting negative attention towards each other, I guess the reason to feel the need for that if they are wolves would be that they are not as active as others. But if that is the case, Shado waiting until :00 to self-pres is pretty absurd to me. If he dies, FG isn't getting most of the credit. Her happily lolling around fits better with her having a partner in less danger at the time, I think. To me those interactions are more relevant than the end of next day. If they are partners at that point they definitely should vote each other to get credit. So it is kind of whatever. Overall, based on that I do not currently feel that we should not be using a lynch on Shado. |
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And yes, i am arrogant enough to assume I am not on the table
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Don't TELL him.. He'll become insufferable |
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ahhhhhh, see
isn't this a pleasant phase? this is what we all needed, I think |
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Look, if you're town, that means both of us are town.
That means one of these other three in the background are wolves smirking as wide as they can at the moment and counting their hours before the game's over. And like... there's no question. It's either Xel or Shadow doing the smirking and I have a high suspicion that if it's not you, then it's, in fact, Shadow. |
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Too bad this game won't go that route at all, there's just no way after both me and you have rubbed at each other and have both defended funny through meta reasonings.
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We goof'd, thesunfan, if you're town that is.
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I really, really was about to vote fg btw
take that from me regardless of my alignment if I had done that 30 seconds sooner instead of just say that I was going to do it, the game would be in such a different space (with xel probably still being fairly townread given his d0 progression on fg) |
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I mean, I ain't disagreeing the best course of action is a lynch between you and me, but I'm looking ahead because, as any good birdy knows, you should take in account the scenarios that could be playing out right now.
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Like, Xel could be a wolf because the only good feeling I have for them is purely through emotion and meta, not so much at actual concrete evidence that they'd definitely showcased town game play. Xel is a wildcard as far as I'm concern. What he says never really correlates to what his alignment is.
It could be Shadow because Shadow's just been in the background and trying to be everyone's friend. That still is the part that concerns me more than anything else he has done, which is unfair because it is yet another emotion read rather than concrete evidence of their alignment. They seem to be the only one who believed I was town too, which I suppose if you want to go REALLY HARD you could assume it's because he knows I'm town through being, well... a wolf. And maybe, JUST MAYBE star could be a wolf because star decided to become a monster and trash everyone emotionally and logically just because she could. |
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However, the easiest ones CURRENTLY are me and you, thesunfan.
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There's concrete evidence to showcase I was trying to protect my partner, same thing for you. We're both guilt of this and there's nothing either one of us can do to change that logical progression no matter how many words we throw at it.
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So, Mr. thesunfan, if we are to win this game, I think the most logical play should be one of us and hope that one of us is the last wolf and be done with it.
HOWEVER, I think the BEST play is throw a lynch at either Xel or Shadow. Preferably Shadow because I think they're the most likely to turn up positive for being a wolf than Xel does. But that also means putting trust into someone that's already seen as a shady birdy, so uh... I'm gonna hope it's sunfan, and if it's not, gg town, wolves win. |
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paired with whisperings of knowing star *is* perfectly capable of wolfing well and that I'd expected her first wolf game to be one where she crushed town and that her initial wolfgame was exactly the kind of failure that would prompt her to not allow herself to make that mistake again, even at the cost of making the emotionally manipulative posts she made last phase but then I breathe and refocus and just convince myself that all the evidence points in one, maaybe two directions and that the one direction that has screamed out to me the loudest this whole game was an FG/sunfan combo and that I should just stick to my guns and not let my overactive imagination talk me out of it like I said, welcome to the dark, tinfoil-wrapped side of my mind |
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[12 angry men.gif] "I'm not convinced. I need to hear it again." I absolutely think Charu can go either way here. And I think if you are town you probably can show me why I shouldn't waste a lynch on you. Not going to lie, at 2am yesterday I was all ra ra ra this is my moment in my TWG career where I finally may catch sun fan wolfing and drive the game home. Or just get sent to dead chat. But now that I am actually here, fired up is not my primary emotion. For Charu, my main focus is for end of day 2, and if it is the most plausible scenario that they thought how they were behaving was the best play for their wolf team. I think their team makes a certain amount of sense for Day 0, in terms of explaining Funny's behavior. But he is playing this eerily similarly to when WV/FFA were wolves in jTWG and no one on the wrong side of the vote could trust each other. |
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