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Also, the fuck will you be scumhunting or not? |
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And also holy shit I just realized I completely missed a Pazzaz read list
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I mean, it's kind of hard to miss their roles in the OP. They're even colored in so nicely. Green for town, yellow for third-party, red for scum. See? Just like a stoplight. At the same time, though, I don't know what you'd stand to gain from lying about that, except for maybe trying to look like you're working hard reading up on thread. I guess it's not really alignment-indicative at this point, but it's definitely weird. Also, spoiler tags are [spoiler] -text- [/spoiler] You can also label the spoiler by using [spoiler="Dicks"] -text- [/spoiler] If you're curious, tag I used to stop that code from disappearing is [nobbc] -code- [/nobcc] |
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Trying to determine if DFR was trying to spew clear GS or just tried to sound legit
It was probably to sound legit. Hm. I don't think a push on Pazzaz will accomplish anything. Pressure on mellonxcollie will, though. People are conveniently forgetting how easy she slipped out of the spotlight as SK last game even as someone who was habitually absent. |
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If she doesn't appear a considerable amount of time before EoD (as in sometime today 11/15/2016), I have a knife and she's my most likely target. Just putting that out there. |
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There's not enough posts from mellonxcollie yet imo to determine alignment, but I'm almost certain that there's a wolf between Precarious/Vendetta, being inactive little shits and all.
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But I totes agree with you on that Shado. I wouldn't mind seeing a knife fly loose if mellon does not post one bit.
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its definitely just a derp for being new here/not recognising people's names. but i think my analysison that post from tokzic was by far the most important. did you have any thoughts on it? |
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I trust the vigi, you iced Haku last game. Also it aligns with my read so yeah |
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Precarious I'm really wary of right now. He's in a precarious position for me right now because he posted a lot more in his other games, and would at least chime in about his thoughts on mechanics (to establish a framework for hunting) if he didn't have a lot of time to push or hunt himself.
There's a lot of people on the shitlist this game, though. lol. Precarious, Vendetta, theknightsofneeee, mellonxcollie, and Tokzic all are conveniently inactive. Wabby is starting to post more, which is a good sign, but inDheart and XelNya are also lagging. inD made it seem like he was going to be here because of how he spent all of last phase "catching up", but he's conspicuously absent as of yet. Like, you guys should know you're in a bad spot when gold stinger and his dicks have (plural) more thread presence than you. |
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I don't know his meta, so I'm going mostly off a toneread for him (still mindmelding into D2 despite not knowing him at all) |
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Not the "defense" part, I mean the "you iced Haku last game" part.
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My only problem with it was that it accompanied a vote on juckter instead of Tokzic, but you remedied that in the next post. Also, Tokzic is weird like that, but usually not this weird. |
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Seems counterintuitive, i know, but I like to pressure people who are not providing info/reads more than people who are, in the hope that a) if they are a wolf it will pressure them into posting and b) if they are villa prompting them into action so they won't get unnecessarily cfd'd/wagoned late in the day for lack of activity. I hate losing to innactivity (whether wolf or villa) than anything else. |
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*more than anything else
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How are you coming along with your reading? |
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so not very well. read up to where I stopped for that last MQ, just kinda refreshing this page to interact with people every now and then. |
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I was speaking relatively of course (one contentful post from tokzic > no contentful posts from juckter)
but if tokzic hasn't produced any other meaningful content since then, lets lynch him |
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hi i'mreading
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oh yoshl was a rb
it looked to me like he was laying down a peek earlier which is part of why i was towning him, so coolish |
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finding the source of the arrow is cool though
i wanna see if anyone else was talking about the yoshl post i was thinking of or taking it similarly |
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mml's reads/pushes probably useful then too it's my birthday and i'm not on my computer so this is more like work for me to do later, can't mq on phone |
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to your fifth, all mml needs to care about is his own win con, and it seems like he could learn enough people's names at night anyway, but there's probably something in there |
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if you mean mml, i don't think he could make a kill by that point if i'm understanding his role |
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i think the way that thing is worded is just to rule out things like corpselooting and just handing other people items freely without it being part of your role andy's like a mtg card |
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you're clear and andy's clear today because it's probably worth watching this go down |
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i like this logic |
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but i do find it a little odd that xel wasn't around much to actually help put his plan in to motion, y'know? of your "inactive" list though, nee exists and i don't think i want to port forward that onto his slot. haku's content is what makes him scummy, but he had an excuse for his thread presence |
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in this game his posts practically read normally compared to that one lol |
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but plan in motion? |
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gonna be back later to actually put in reading work i mentioned
anyone know a good hard drive summoning ritual? |
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you asked everybody those A/B/C/D questions in your big post and i thoght you were planning to follow up on people's answers |
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It was a tool for generating discussion, not a tool for a plan. We probably could have hit a scum role had I executed it better.
But the questions were bad as someone else got me to figure out. |
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So I dunno what you wanna take from it.
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Not a bad way just, stuff.
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But it's worth noting he WAS scum hunting so I think there's something in there. Also why I'm not surprised is storn is kinda butt to read. Quote:
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Would like to denote he for a new player is also carefully wording his post to not touch the wording of his PM so coaching might be there. (He is new right, that's not a dumb misassumption on my end?) Why has no one asked Andy for the list of items given yet? (Not sure if it';s in town's interest to share the who.) Quote:
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This game would be cripplingly boring without a jester-like role in it. Mellon are you a jester? Is that why Zenith was being an insufferable pile of garbage? Quote:
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I think a kniffe on mellon BECAUSE OF ZENITH would be better than lynching her. |
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I'll try to pop in during work today.
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On the last part about knifing mellon, I have not again read EoD so anything she's said is NOT in my reasoning.
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Xel, read the first post. Isn't a fool/jester role in the game.
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I'll say this: the PM does not say, "if all wolves are killed, you win." And there is nothing else to suggest an alternative win condition. Town is the only way I can think to read it.
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It makes it hard to catch up because there are so many inactive players and substitutions though. I keep forgetting about people and there could definitely be some wolves in there just trying to slip by. So I do understand the suspicion. Anyways I'm starting to read the thread from the top now. This seems like a very confusing game |
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If you didn't get a PM saying "if all wolves are killed, you win"
What team do you think you oughta be on |
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WHAT THE FUCK IS YOUR WIN CONDITION
IF IT'S NOT "if all wolves are killed, you win." |
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You get that vote until Shado throws his knife you're welcome
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ALL of you need to stop basing your suspicion of him on untrue angleshooty nonsense. XelNya, you're totally wrong about the "standard" you spoke of. I just went back and checked the role PMs of every town who flipped, and none of them listed a wincon. Quote:
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See? Stop being angleshooty dumbasses and start doing something worthwhile in thread. His role is inherently town. He might be a third-party but I doubt it, and he's clearly willing to work for town after exposing himself like this and gifting me a knife. If you read the previous PMs I listed above, you can see that there's no explicit wincon. I can totally understand a new player reading their PM and not being able to place themsleves 100%. Especially if its something like Devdan, which just seems totally null even now. Now can we please stop talking about PMs entirely? |
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I wasn't trying to angle shoot intentionally, but in ANY other game the wincon is in your pm.
Its actually bad its not in this case. I also didnt state i thought he was scummy for it. Im not going to go further on it than that. Andy dude you put us in a good spot assuming you and shado are town. I'm waiting till that plays out to judge because what you did is townie in nature. But we cannot just clear you off it unless it plays out properly. That's all. |
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I was about to make that point, Shado. Thanks.
And to Xel, I don't expect to be cleared because of it immediately. But I am trying to help town win, so let's lynch some wolves! -o24 |
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This game just has pages and pages of people who are already dead talking to each other. It wasn't too bad to catch up compared to other games I've played actually. I’m going to look into what each player were saying but for now I’m going to focus on people who are still alive
I know I forgot a few people. my reads and thread-read is not 100% complete but I have to get going now just wanted to post this. There are definitely wolves in my ??????/inactive category. |
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I shouldn't have gotten so triggered but goddamn I didn't wanna see a modkill happen if that line of questioning continued. Andy's role makes him vital to town even if he were TP, which I don't think he is. Watch me say all this and then die when I use the knife lmao Nahh but at least I'll have caught a scum if I do. |
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Good hot post @mellon, especially sections on Precarious and Andy. I obviously disagree with your conclusion on Andy, but those are valid points. I had even thought that I should've asked him who he had gifted that phase before outting my knife, but I had already hit send on my knifeclaim. I don't think it's terribly important, though, because it was clear that I was going to pressure him on nonexistent items this phase, so his gift makes sense to me.
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gs's reaction to andy's post seems a bit extreme to me, blown way out of proportion.
I looked back on Precarious's posts and there's really not many. I can buy that he's busy but the posts that he did put up didn't really say much. He's not really looking for reds and puts up a bunch of half-this, half-that. (I might be guilty of the latter too though lel) Going to keep a vote on Precarious until he responds I liked mellon's latest post and that she's challenging the status quo of andy's "lock-clear". Town lean for now. I don't have much of an opinion on knight for now. --- For DFR's posts, he very early on reads gs as town from the one good he made prior to this comment. It's suspect but I actually did like gs's post (#301 for reference). I think he overly defends him, probably attempting a pocket Of else to note is that he expresses his opinion of Wolfe as town (#601), but switches in (#1327). GS stayed the same, doesn't change for the entirety of his posting lifetime. As storn mentioned, he votes MML at eod. He expressed his interest in voting for him but it would be easier for him to self pres by switching to mellon or andy. He said he wouldn't vote andy, and gave mellon the benefit of the doubt for subbing in. I think given what he said, if he voted for either of them and lived to the next day, it would look extremely hypocritical of him and he'd get grilled to oblivion if he got iso'd. So the fact that he defends/doesn't vote on andy and mellon are not indicative of their alignment, in my opinion. That's all from me for now folks |
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Oh in case it wasn't explicit in the above, I'm still a bit spooked on why dfr defended specifically gs so adamantly
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Of course, it's possible this was his intention, but I'm inclined to think he was genuine. |
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The R.E. Aryxi/Hakulyte/theknightsofneeee slot is pretty interesting.
Nothing to say on Knights at this point, but I think I gathered some decent Haku stuff for analysis. Please use this as a springboard for further discussion. The layout is a little ass, but I think the content is there. -o24 |
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@mellonxcollie Nice read-list. It seems the knife threat worked. I'm missing me though, any thoughts on me?
Also, lets put some more pressure on _Zenith_ |
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I also... Can't comprehend how Andy is alive right now...
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Just joking, haha.
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WHOOPS
ok legit this time ill bbl |
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Also before I forget Tokzic
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You are a hard one because of your small amount of posts. My biggest thought on you right now would be "post more". I know you couldn't post on D1 but you haven't posted much since then either. It seems like a lot of the posts you do have are about your role and not very scum-hunting. And your role is a bit useless now so it's possible that you are not being entirely truthful. I think it's likely that most of the wolves are hiding among the inactive/low-posting players so this doesn't really look good from my perspective. You realize that I am Zenith now right? You can put some pressure on me if you want but I'm not Zenith :P |
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I'm on phone so I can't really check the names, but I would assume no one who voted dfr is scum. People who voted me after my admission are probably scum because they could easily hide their reasoning behind my scummy d1 play. ShadoWolfe and mellon are the only ones I think I remember, but I really doubt ShadoW is scum. Mainly because of Zenith I think mellon is scum, so a red flip there might make my logic of where the scum voted check out. It's worth considering when I get the chance. -o24 |
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Also I wouldn't just assume that no one who voted for DFR is scum. It's possible that a wolf slipped in there to try to hide due to exactly this type of reasoning. |
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welp
the forum ate a pretty big post of mine RIP |
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the gist of it is, I'm sick, but I'm here. i'll be reading shortly, and i'll be here most of the day.
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back, i'm gonna dig thru mml's posts now
wednesdays are patchy for me, as was on display when people were reading into my time between posts in w15, but i should be here for eod after i turn in my project, and i'm here now for sure |
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this was a topic in *pregame* i'm pretty sure |
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Andy probably lived because it's likely wolves scoured out YoshL and the fact he was a roleblocker, something quite disadvantageous to wolves.
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gonna go to lunch with people but not done yet
my quote pile is mostly from d1 and looks like: #788, #986, #1083, #1150, #1171, #1175, #1241-2 |
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tokzic
Read storn posts. Nothing too crazy, but I definitely can deduce Tokzic is in no way connected to him. Also Tokzic is spookin me |
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Why were you so eager to have me knife mellon when you hadn't even read EoD? Also wtf dude, you bringing up the possibility of a fool now is pretty bad.. Have you read EoD yet? Reach any meaningful conclusions? |
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I don't know if anyone has mentioned this yet, but is Calil the sage our seer?
I don't know what is outside the scope of the game, but is there some way we could figure out who storn was in a private chat with to conclusively clear a town? If they are seer, who has the strongest conviction in their reads? That could lead us to our answer. -o24 |
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but back to the analysis I was just doing on posts that happened since I left.
there's two that I kinda want to talk about. Andy's analysis of my slot, and Mellon's reads list. first let me start with the analysis from andy.. While I like where he was going/what he was doing wrt to trying to /solve/ my slot, the fact that it doesn't have any conclusions drawn whatsoever seems really odd to say the least and makes me wonder why he went through the effort of making the post if he isn't even going to say what he thinks about it? I'd also argue that its a bit odd to have nothing at all to say about my participation so far, but i don't think i've done too much alignment indicitive personally, so i'll let that slide I guess. Next up, mellon's reads list. LOL. it legit feels like he/she only read the last like 5 pages. Their town reads straight up have no reasoning AT ALL (and if you'll look closer, they're the top posters in recent pages, so it looks more like an attempted pocket of the active people than anything) the ???? reads are the weirdest tho imo. from mellon's reads list "Tokzic - I didn’t like his opening post and the way he just voted for Storn off of a gut read. This seems like he just wanted to get a vote out there to avoid suspicion from not voting, without any actual reasoning behind it. This would not be super suspicious on Day 1 normally but it was weird because he popped in and did that but didn’t come back until EOD. And he’s been largely absent ever since. However this doesn’t seem too out of character for Tokzic " first off, this read on tokzic is very wish washy (which is i guess implied in putting him in the ??? area, but still). But when you actually read it, it doesn't sound like it should be wishy washy. It reads like it should be a cut and dry scum read. re: the bold blue, look at how much negative and scummy stuff mellon points out about tokzic? if that is stuff that they think about tokzic, then why not just put him in the scum reads? the bold purple is supposed to be why he's not in the scum reads, but that is flimsy weak reasoning at best, and is nowhere near enough to prevent mellon from having a scum read on them (imo). The listing of alot of bad stuff, with the 1 qualification to be able to put them in null reads is very wolfy/mafia'y, and it makes me think that the two of them could easily be W/W. also, the bold at the beginning seems odd to me as well, because I used that exact reasoning in my scumread of tokzic, and if mellon was sheeping me on it, thats fine; but if they were sheeping me on it, then why do they not have any semblence of a read on me at all? seems like they are picking and choosing who to talk about, which is inherently scummy. |
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sometimes mason pairs get a seer check, but it would probably say so in his flip, and if they had a seer check, i would assume that the mason partner would have outed already. |
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