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you know whats been bugging me. why did dfr vote MML? like he clearly realized that he was going to be lynched, yet instead of trying to self pres with a vote he instead places his vote on some random person and tries to claim seer. its starting to make me think that there is atleast 1 woof between mellon and andy.
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MixMasterLar, a Third Party, has achieved his win condition and has been removed from the game. The game will continue as normal. MixMasterLar, you are Volke. You are a mysterious Thief, without any desire for human communication and an obsession with gathering as much wealth as you can. You have been given a strange contract, one to kill any member of the camp of the Greil Mercenaries after determining the identities of four members. It doesn’t make any sense, but damn, does it pay well. You have even already been given a sizable downpayment. Each day phase, you may guess the identities of four living players by PMing me your guesses without any penalty to yourself, and you will learn how many of these, if any, are correct. Should you get all four guesses correct, you must kill one of these four players in order to finish your contract. Each night phase, you may follow someone to their bunks, where you will learn any action they perform, as well as the identities of this person as well as their two nearest bunkmates. Doing so means you cannot be targeted at night, but if the person you are tailing is killed, you will die as well. You win when you have finished your job. Should you finish your job, you will be removed from the game as their is no purpose to you remaining. storn42, you are Largo. You are a behemoth of a man, a Berserker to be more specific, who claims to have wrestled two tigers at once and won. You are the mate of Calill, a Sage. You both seem to be pretty content with your accomplishments, no matter how farfetched they seem, one thing is for sure, you and Largo enjoy each other’s company. You are masoned with [REDACTED], who is Calill. You may discuss whatever you want with them in your private chat, which may be anywhere, so long as I may be present as well. You may discuss here only. You should discuss with one another using whatever means you wish where you want this private chat to be during the pregame phase. |
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Hey I'm sorry for not being around at EoD as promised. I just forgot while revising my report among other things.
Few initial thoughts: - lol replacement got replaced, sup - Yoshl's death kind of expected for me since I believe most people were leaning town on him. - I am curious why dfr was so adamant on GS being town early into the game now. - I'm pretty safe reading rb town now, I don't think he pushes dfr like that if he's also scum - Would have been real helpful for MML to help town out at EoD... if he already knew the guesses before n2 that is. Hurrr... |
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If nobody else does it, I'll analyze DFR's posts tomorrow (sleeping now)
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Andy, care to explain your role? Don't quote your pm at all, but explain what your role does because it still sounds a little shady. |
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Hi everyone, i'm theknightsofneeee. I'm an experianced mafia/WW player, at least 15-20 long forum games under my belt, and alot more mafia from like epicmafia/DM/resistance and so on.
subbing in cause why not. :) Some quick stuff about me, I consider myself a really good player in both alignments, especially because I am able to get cleared as town easily in either alignment. I kinda wanted to sub in for a wolf, because pretending you are solving the game is much easier than ACTUALLY trying to solve the game with a bunch of people you don't really know. But unfortunately I did not. Stuck with being a villager. :/ Obviously we got some good stuff at EoD yesterday (just to let you know, i have read approximately nothing of the game; I read the flips, saw a mafia flipped day 1, and I read the EoD. Thats it) some quick reactions to the fake cop claim by the mafia. Quote:
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the sorry homie feels like he's distancing himself from the act of voting dfr, and it also leaves a bit of hesistancy so that perhaps he could go back on the vote. Quote:
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MML has guaranteed check results in his last phases's posts, I guarantee it.
He took out storn, so I'm assuming he guessed all VTs or something? This would be my best guess. Unless his guess is PURELY identity, then I have no idea. |
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POG/MU/Dailymafia/epicmafia/townofsalem/SC2mafia sc2 mafia and daily mafia are where I started tho. |
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holy shit, there was just 2 more deaths/victories.
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It's also interesting why MML would choose storn kill if he knew the identities of all the people he guessed.
I'm a little curious about how the guesses work. I assume what happens is he submits 4 guesses together, and he gets x/4 like mastermind-ish style. Does he get unlimited guesses during the day though (no penalty?)? Or just one set of 4 guesses per day? And it looks like he only guesses the name of the character (identity)? And not the team? Which means he may not have known which characters on his list were scum or town. If sunsfan is allowed to clarify on this role, I would definitely like that. |
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Did he not end up killing him because of his claim? |
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Lar won by guessing player identities, ie were guessing me valid, he would be 1/4 if he guessed I was Ike
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I don't think there's any info we can garner from it, so it seems kinda fruitless to to delve into it. |
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Since identities AFAIK are not alignment indicative, he must have picked the scummiest out of the most? He seemed to be playing in the interest of town.
He must have discovered storn and his partner's identity and thought they were wolves as they were bunkmates. I could probably find out storn's mason bro through deduction. I'm gonna read MML's reads, YoshL's reads, and storn's reads. brb |
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Also can we speculate why YoshL died over Pazzaz? Unless there was knowledge of his roleblocking power to the wolf crew, I don't see a major reason to pick YoshL over him.
@Pazzaz Was your Day0 mute a result of your role or from one of DFR's arrows? |
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either they decide to out (which is fine, we get a clear town) or they don't (which means they may perhaps get nightkilled instead of a stronger town Power Role) why do you feel the need to go find it yourself? and why look through the two dead town's reads and the dead neutral's reads instead of looking through the dead mafia's reads? The mafia is the one who knows everyone's alignments. The dead towns did not. |
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i can tell already this is gonna be a pain trying to contain my spammy nature. I'm used to games where I personally post almost 800-1000 posts in a single game which takes 6 days.. lolme |
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I guess I can leave my mason deduction out of public for the time being (note: I have not made any guesses/deductions yet). |
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and okay then? so who do you think deserves credit for/should get essentially cleared for pushing on DFR/getting DFR lynched? and how is it that everyone else had enough time to wagon DFR and DFR had enough time to formulate a claim and then claim before you posted that one post about Andy? And why was one post about 'items' enough to rip you off of your scumread mellon? especially since mellon had been, as you claim, 'your wagon'? |
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Have we seen any benefit of these items? I don't feel like I've seen anything noteworthy. |
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Also @Shado
I believe the "items being passed" rule applies to players who receive an item to send it to another player in the night. I.E. a wolf receives it and wants a partner to have it instead, they cannot send it. I think item creators can still create + send their item, so I think his role is legit. His alignment is up for discussion, though. |
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something like gun/vest/crystall ball/bread? Here: https://epicmafia.com/role/2418 |
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YoshL was the recipient of one item which he could have used last night. His death renders the item I gave him useless.
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Okay, then. I had to be sure (hence the softer approach to andy today), but I currently possess a knife.
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And yes. That Santa role is very similar.
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Like, what made you choose to refrain from including that? |
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DFR = most likely candidate but it's almost too easy (it was, but we both panic swapped LOL) Pazzaz = curious reaction, but he wasn't responsible for the shot Shado = overly alarmist reaction, but he is confirmed to not have made the shot now Haku = also not the shot maker Unless one of these three that aren't DFR are trying to save face/suspicion, I'm not sure why they killed him? Quote:
YoshL's presence last day phase was very, VERY lackluster, so I feel like the wolf crew scouted his role the night before. I don't see any other reason to kill him over Pazzaz, a semi-confirmed town. Not sure if this will get us anywhere. It's still worth looking into mellon today, however. She's in a pretty suspicious slot. |
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I'm not sure how much I can say without being modkilled lol. First game excuse, etc, etc.
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Also, open-question. Does anyone know of a santa-type role that is aligned against town?
I was under the assumption that the inherent nature of choosing between four pro-town items to gift is generally pro-town. Also, if he were aligned against town, why would he gift me a knife? I'm inclined to believe andy and conclude that he's town for now. |
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YoshL lynch I think was either a confirmed role (more than just vanilla town) or residual top town rankings from d0. He was strong d0, lackluster d1, I agree.
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did people have an opinion on me prior to me posting today? or did my initial person not post? just curious |
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Like, I could claim to be santa, and say that I can send anyone a choice of either a knife, shield, crystall ball, or fortune cookie every night, and it'd be all above-board. |
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I'm reading it as a town role, so I'm trying to help you guys. I figured giving you the knife would hopefully clear up your suspicion of item gifting and help to clear me from MML's push. Which admittedly, I worded my reasoning poorly.
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i would think that the gift giver (or santa) being either a villager or third party makes more sense. Usually if its a wolf gift giver or something of the sort, they only give 1 bad item afaik. |
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I don't have a win condition inherent in the PM. So it feels VERY town to me.
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Explicit, probably is better than inherent.
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For my sanity, here are the LIVING PLAYERS:
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R.E. Aryxi was the original slot-holder. I pushed him, he promised to address my push, and then he replaced out. Hakulyte was the next slot-holder. His meta is generally (analytical, serious wolf, hesitant, shitposty town). In this game, he was entirely analytical and serious, and didn't shitpost at all (granted, he replaced into D1 and shitposting is generally most prevalent in D0). You replacing in is a breath of fresh air, so I'm gonna let you do your thing before making a judgment, but know that your slot is currently working against you. |
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You can say "I don't know my win condition" you can't say "blah blah blah PM" |
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I'm fine with that.
I knew i would have an uphill battle this game, regardless of what role I subbed into, because of the complete lack of meta and familiarity, as well as replacing after a lynch. I would have been surprised if I wasn't a scumread for most people. I was just wondering. Would you like to respond to my questions about why everyone else was able wagon/vote DFR, and you were not? and why you were okay with CFD'ing off of 'your mellon wagon'? |
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ya as a general rule, dont talk about the mod.
act like they don't exist and you'll be :thumb: |
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I'm not a very fast poster for the most part, but EoD I tend to use both my phone and my computer to make sure I'm caught up. If you look at the times, I posted twice about CFDing onto Andy (reasoning being his impossible roleclaim that he's since clarified) in one minute, and the whole DFR wagon happened in one minute the minute before. It wasn't a post about "items" that ripped me off my wagon. Items are on, so a post about them is alright, but I thought itemsharing/gifting was explicitly off in the OP until I received a knife this morning and went "oh". I started the wagon on andy because I thought he was lying about his role, so he had to be scum, and guaranteed scum is better than possible scum, hence my CFD. Also, if you have time to be asking me those questions, you have time to be reading D0 and D1. I think that'd be a more effective way to scumhunt than anything else atm. Unless, of course, you're not really trying to scumhunt and are just wanting to be visible and push around a little bit to make it seem like you are. |
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Okay. I don't know my win condition. But I am interpreting it as a town role and am trying to play it to benefit the town.
I have seven hours of class Tuesday, so I'm trying to make some kind of contribution before I go to bed. Probably won't see much from me the rest of the day. Here's me spitballing (kinda WIFOM-tier) dfr was wolf and was protecting me because I'm new and a bad player. Begs the question for me if that was the wolves strategy all along: take out the strong town players and even go so far as trying to protect the bad ones until late game. That doesn't seem to follow though as dfr was the only one explicitly trying to defend me from my recollection. That could suggest disorganized wolves, because if they fell in the inactive/low post slots they probably weren't theorizing how to approach the game. YoshL vote suggests there is at least one active wolf still making that call. If all were inactive, there would have been no kill that night, right? While YoshL is a kill that makes sense, especially based on d0, it seems maybe too obvious especially with roundbox's sleuthing as of late. That could suggest the replacements that had to skim the thread saw in the early game AA/YoshL as top towns and would choose the one still alive as their kill. TL;DR: inactives/replacements are what I want to look into. Quote:
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1-shot seer.
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You're saying you have a giftable item that allows the recipient to investigate a player of their choice? When can it be used? Is it a day-use item? That sounds really useful.. |
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I sent it to him night 1, he could use it night 2 and we would know the results this day if he used it and told us. Unfortunately he was killed and the item is not refunded, so it was wasted. I can no longer gift a 1-shot seer.
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Okay, so I did some research on what a scum-aligned santa-type role would entail. Essentially, the scum-aligned equivalent is known as a "Fabricator".
Basically a fabricator can send a fake item to a player of their choice. When used, the fake item backfires on its recipient. So, if the knife that I currently possess is fake, I will end up stabbing myself. At some point in this phase, I will announce that I'm ready to use this knife, and declare a target (input would be appreciate from the rest of town). I will not use this knife without first announcing it and declaring a target. At that point, if I were to die instead of my target, andy should obviously be lynched at the conclusion of this phase. I doubt he's a fabricator (because he took responsibility for the gift), but I felt this had to be said since it is still a distinct possibility. |
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I really need to go to bed though. I'll try and get a response out to any questions directed toward me before class. Keep it up, Shado.
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Hi Xel, Pazzaz.
I assume you'll each have some thoughts to share after reading up? I mean, it's hard to imagine you wouldn't. There's the NK flip and a new face in thread. |
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I think both andy & Shado are lock clear town after the latest interaction, at least until Shado does something with the knife. If knife doesn't backfire or something, then yeah it would make sense that andy would be wolf in this case. But at the same time, Mad Dummy says that usually the similar scum-aligned role usually only has 1 or 2 of those items, where andy says he's got 4.
I'm inclined to believe that Shado & andy are both town here, and andy just outed himself hardcore. Both Precarious, and vendetta are being inactive as fuck and look super scummy as fuck that it's d2 and still neither of them have got a fucking reads list going for themselves. I like both inDheart & wineandbread's reads and are both being super analytical of the game in nature, so I don't really think either of them are wolves, but one could be copying the other since they have both crazily similar read styles. I'd town-lean both of them for right now. I honestly think my top scum read right now is Pazzaz. Some people have said earlier that his role is more often than not scum-aligned, he hasn't made all that good of counterarguments against AA dying, and still doesn't drop me some fucking critical information regarding his d0 thoughts, although he should have been bursting out the oiseau with them. Will probably be reading over roundbox's and Xelnya's stuff today, although I will say that I feel a little bit better about roundbox after tonight's lynch. |
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oh fuck I didn't use size 5 like I said I was going to rip my life
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shitposting in day 2 ladies and gentlemen
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Xelnya come Xelnya go
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and then he proceeds to call out 3 people (just bold) with no reasoning other than 'eh i didn't like their entrances' (which seems even odder to me, cause xelnya's shitposting was higher quality/townier than goldstinger's imo) And then we get to where he votes storn (flipped town) for 'gut read'. cool. so, in summary, he town read a mafia for sketchy reasons, mafia read a confirmed town for sketchy reasons, and had a list of reads where he gave no reasoning or substantiation past 'good entrance' 'bad entrance' and 'gut reads' 10/10 would lynch again. |
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scum: juckter, tokzic very very light town: freeze light town read: charu strong town read: andy-o24 |
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btw I replaced juckter
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freeze & charu are dead
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I'm also pretty willing to believe Andy's claim now too. However I will be more convinced if/when Shado uses his knife. I'm curious what other items he has, but I don't think it's in his best interest to answer.
Pazzaz had a few looming suspicions, on top of the fact that he basically said he was VT after the swap. Would probably be better for wolves to hit people that they suspected had power roles, which Yoshl ended up having. |
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Right now I think pressure on precarious/mellon would be best
If they're inactive though then ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ |
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