Originally Posted by Charu (Post 4411825)

Really mad

Originally Posted by DaBackpack (Post 4411823)

it absolutely does

but iirc he's not even really considering AA's behavior here, which is lazy if he's "REALLY TRYING TO FIND THE TRUTH"

I will need to check that last point again

Originally Posted by Red Blaster (Post 4411319)

You misunderstand how badly I wanted/want to kill Zenith.

Originally Posted by fontisian (Post 4411827)

Oh, you're talking about Blaster, not me.

That's fine. He should have some thoughts on AA's behavior, as he's more caught up than I am.

AA: Yeah, rzr said that Zenith was against analyzing kills in a previous scum game of his.

Originally Posted by DaBackpack (Post 4411828)

yeah

Originally Posted by fontisian (Post 4411827)

Oh, you're talking about Blaster, not me.

That's fine. He should have some thoughts on AA's behavior, as he's more caught up than I am.

AA: Yeah, rzr said that Zenith was against analyzing kills in a previous scum game of his.

Originally Posted by AragakiAyase (Post 4411833)

and I already pointed this out but I don't see how his desire to kill zenith progressed, I'll find the post

Originally Posted by AragakiAyase (Post 4411369)

was digging through red blaster's posts and something doesn't sit well





these are the only two real posts where he mentions zenith. the first post he mentions zenith in the context of charu's case and doesn't seem to think much of it, in the next one he admits that zenith would be on his suspect list, and then for seemingly no reason zenith/me progresses more and more on the scum list until it gets to this



I see nothing that would make that happen especially since zenith hadn't posted at all after red blaster made those first posts

Originally Posted by _Zenith_ (Post 4408489)

like, I don't need to even look at xel until next phase or the phase after because he's null and bad at d1

Originally Posted by DaBackpack (Post 4411836)

couple that with a lack of visible development on Day 1 and he doesn't look good to me

Originally Posted by AragakiAyase (Post 4411834)

ah

well like charu had said zenith has been trying to change his meta a lot so I don't think that's a strong point either

Originally Posted by fontisian (Post 4411841)

I get that, but changing one's meta doesn't really change one's values, right?

Oh, and I apologize for using this against you. It really sucks to have defend the actions of your predecessor when you can't possibly know what they were thinking. I just can't not use it either, you know.

Originally Posted by DaBackpack (Post 4411840)

well, I should probably substantiate this before using it as a point against him

Originally Posted by fontisian (Post 4411841)

I get that, but changing one's meta doesn't really change one's values, right?

Oh, and I apologize for using this against you. It really sucks to have defend the actions of your predecessor when you can't possibly know what they were thinking. I just can't not use it either, you know.

Originally Posted by AragakiAyase (Post 4411843)

read the post I quoted I think I did it for you

Originally Posted by fontisian (Post 4411839)

Ok, so this was the reaction to pressure that bothered me.

It's not like he's calling Xel mafia for pushing on him, he's just calling him bad. I think a mafia who knows town (or an SK, I guess) is pushing on him is more likely to try to put down that person's reads whereas an anger prone town who gets pushed on tends to call that person mafia (Like AA just did with me actually. Hmm).

Originally Posted by fontisian (Post 4411839)

Ok, so this was the reaction to pressure that bothered me.

It's not like he's calling Xel mafia for pushing on him, he's just calling him bad. I think a mafia who knows town (or an SK, I guess) is pushing on him is more likely to try to put down that person's reads whereas an anger prone town who gets pushed on tends to call that person mafia (Like AA just did with me actually. Hmm).

Originally Posted by fontisian (Post 4411776)

Man, SKG has all this sketch vote placement.

Originally Posted by DaBackpack (Post 4411850)

you mean SKG is making sketchy votes, or sketchy votes are on him right now?

Originally Posted by AragakiAyase (Post 4411851)

can't believe red blaster is voting dbp

Originally Posted by fontisian (Post 4411852)

He's making sketchy votes.

There are a lot of places where there are 3-4 votes on someone I think is town, with a bunch of likely town and SKG voting.

Originally Posted by DaBackpack (Post 4411857)

I had a reason for thinking SKG was town, but that has been thoroughly discredited because of his insistent vote on botchi yesterday

Originally Posted by DaBackpack (Post 4411856)

why are they sketchy when SKG does them and not when likely town do them?

Originally Posted by fontisian (Post 4411859)

Ok, say you're mafia and you see a lot of town voting for a town? You're probably going to pile on a bit to make sure that town dies, then maybe use it against the voters latter.

So whenever I see a lot of town voting for a town, I have to ask what the mafia's doing. In most cases, I'm either wrong on someone, or that one null guy voting is just mafia. There are a number of votes where SKG is that one null guy.

Originally Posted by AragakiAyase (Post 4411858)

what was it though

Originally Posted by AragakiAyase (Post 4411858)

what was it though

Originally Posted by DaBackpack (Post 4411045)

WHY DID YOU COME OUT FUCK DUDE

i was trying to cover you dude

Originally Posted by DaBackpack (Post 4411102)

Originally Posted by Red Blaster (Post 4411867)

This is in response to Haku



Obviously this is to Xiz


So please explain dap considering you said you were only covering xiz

Originally Posted by DaBackpack (Post 4411868)

"covering" has two meanings here

the first, in steering the lynch away from him

the second, in actually taking a nightkill from him

Originally Posted by thesunfan (Post 4411057)

Votes from post 977 to post 2152
Night in 0:05:07
---

• Votes -- Lynch -- Voters
• 4 -- botchi246 -- Charu (236), YoshL (83), Xiz (56), DaBackpack (180)
• 2 -- danceflashrevo -- Vendetta21 (9), Red Blaster (46)
• 2 -- SKG_Scintill -- rzr (135), AragakiAyase (86)
• 1 -- AragakiAyase -- danceflashrevo (36)
• 1 -- Red Blaster -- Hakulyte (112)
• 1 -- Charu -- botchi246 (73)
• 2 -- unvote -- SKG_Scintill (39), reuben_tate (5)
• 2 -- not voting -- cedolad (1), Sinistrosuede (0)

:00 good :01 bad

Originally Posted by DaBackpack (Post 4411864)

popping in the thread suddenly, and then getting frustrated that he's behind, and then immediately leaving don't sound wolf to me

Originally Posted by thesunfan (Post 4411103)

Votes from post 977 to post 2200
Night in 0:00:45
---

• Votes -- Lynch -- Voters
• 3 -- Red Blaster -- Hakulyte (114), Xiz (63), DaBackpack (194)
• 3 -- danceflashrevo -- Vendetta21 (9), Charu (251), rzr (143)
• 2 -- SKG_Scintill -- AragakiAyase (89), YoshL (89)
• 1 -- Charu -- botchi246 (76)
• 1 -- AragakiAyase -- danceflashrevo (37)
• 3 -- unvote -- SKG_Scintill (39), reuben_tate (5), Red Blaster (53)
• 2 -- not voting -- cedolad (1), Sinistrosuede (0)

:03 good :04 bad

Originally Posted by Xiz (Post 4411877)

This can be viewed both ways.

Originally Posted by DaBackpack (Post 4411876)

red blaster, can you say your thoughts on SKG?

Originally Posted by Red Blaster (Post 4411872)

Out of curiosity do you remember who was pushing the Botchi lynch in D2?
Given we know he was human and a blue the people pushing on him (there were quite a few iirc) need to be looked at

Originally Posted by Red Blaster (Post 4411872)

Out of curiosity do you remember who was pushing the Botchi lynch in D2?
Given we know he was human and a blue the people pushing on him (there were quite a few iirc) need to be looked at

Originally Posted by Red Blaster (Post 4411882)

I think it's odd that you and Xiz voted for botchi then both hopped to me.

Originally Posted by DaBackpack (Post 4411887)

This is weird

In the midst of the chaos, RB had his vote on DFR

and when botchi claimed, he unvoted DFR for some reason

and you didn't vote again

why was that?

Originally Posted by Red Blaster (Post 4411892)

I just didn't like the events spiraling out of control I wasn't going to have any part in it.
If I was getting lynched I was going down with some sort of guaranteed town tell - my lack of self-preservation in this case.

Originally Posted by DaBackpack (Post 4411888)

maybe DFR was a wolf

Originally Posted by storn42 (Post 4411740)

gut read dedede + SKG woof team

Originally Posted by DaBackpack (Post 4411893)

going to take a shower, but I don't think I believe you

Originally Posted by AragakiAyase (Post 4411900)

I'm confused why not self-preserving is a town tell because as a town I would always self-pres because I trust myself over everyone else

Originally Posted by Red Blaster (Post 4411902)

I view it reverse.
it would be wolfy to vote for someone for no other reason then to survive.
I also saw dfr casted no other vote in his final post about his reads being wrong, which solidified him as human in my mind.

But of course dap is trying to now skew us as w/w for not voting.

Originally Posted by Xiz (Post 4411897)

don't leave yet DBP tell me what you think of this lol

Originally Posted by AragakiAyase (Post 4411474)

what do people think of the dfr lynch? I know red blaster mentioned him not self presing but I think the votes at the end were really confusing so idk how much weight to give that

if I ignore the lack of self preservation then dfr was more likely a hit

Originally Posted by Xiz (Post 4411910)

Would anyone consider a storn lynch? I'm kinda feeling it more then an SKG.

Originally Posted by Red Blaster (Post 4411892)

I just didn't like the events spiraling out of control I wasn't going to have any part in it.
If I was getting lynched I was going down with some sort of guaranteed town tell - my lack of self-preservation in this case.