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FreezinIce 08-23-2018 04:07 PM

Re: TWG CLXXX - OuO what's this? [Game Thread]
 
Prec that post is pretty gross

the sun fan 08-23-2018 04:08 PM

Re: TWG CLXXX - OuO what's this? [Game Thread]
 
Xiz u spent an awful lot of time in tinfoil land there bud I'm not sure if that did u any good.

Precarious 08-23-2018 04:10 PM

Re: TWG CLXXX - OuO what's this? [Game Thread]
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by FreezinIce (Post 4645094)
Prec that post is pretty gross

Do you mean in format or content? If you don't like how it's presented, sorry. If you disagree with the content, well, I suspect you can understand the situation you're in mechanically. Either you're a wolf, or you're a town power role whose power only activates when you're lynched.

Tps222 08-23-2018 04:26 PM

Re: TWG CLXXX - OuO what's this? [Game Thread]
 
Ok, I'm caught up now.

I see that we're claiming, I'm a blue role. I was hoping to not have to be put in a situation to claim and didn't realize there was a hidden quality post requirement when I began operating under my current posting habits.

Our best chance of winning now appears for me to avoid being modkilled and for a normal phase to play out, I have 3 hours of availability for posting right now and I am compiling my town/scum leans list and will be posting it shortly.

Precarious 08-23-2018 04:28 PM

Re: TWG CLXXX - OuO what's this? [Game Thread]
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Tps222 (Post 4645104)
Ok, I'm caught up now.

I see that we're claiming, I'm a blue role. I was hoping to not have to be put in a situation to claim and didn't realize there was a hidden quality post requirement when I began operating under my current posting habits.

Our best chance of winning now appears for me to avoid being modkilled and for a normal phase to play out, I have 3 hours of availability for posting right now and I am compiling my town/scum leans list and will be posting it shortly.

That's not going to fly. What is your specific role?

Precarious 08-23-2018 04:32 PM

Re: TWG CLXXX - OuO what's this? [Game Thread]
 
Actually hold that thought for a moment.

the sun fan 08-23-2018 04:33 PM

Re: TWG CLXXX - OuO what's this? [Game Thread]
 
Prec is right TPS, we need ur specific role.

the sun fan 08-23-2018 04:33 PM

Re: TWG CLXXX - OuO what's this? [Game Thread]
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Precarious (Post 4645107)
Actually hold that thought for a moment.

No we need it from him.

Precarious 08-23-2018 04:41 PM

Re: TWG CLXXX - OuO what's this? [Game Thread]
 
I've been reviewing the game rolls. The Gunsmith RR appears to be the only time where two points are used to generate only a single role. An additional I, P, H, K, or R would generate one additional blue role, which means (assuming Tps' truthfulness), we're at KRRXTTT, where X isn't a T--which doesn't implicate Freezin.

I think it would still be better for Tps to fully claim, but I'm still trying to wrap my mind around the potential implications of doing so.

Precarious 08-23-2018 04:42 PM

Re: TWG CLXXX - OuO what's this? [Game Thread]
 
There are other instances where that happens (e.g. three I's generates two trackers) but none are relevant to the existing body of claims. If Tps and Freezin are telling the truth, then it seems to be TTT.

Precarious 08-23-2018 04:52 PM

Re: TWG CLXXX - OuO what's this? [Game Thread]
 
Thoughts on this? I can see a bunch of you viewing the thread.

inDheart 08-23-2018 04:53 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by inDheart (Post 4644781)
ok so like, when blind said this:



i thought he was saying 6 or 7 Ts was low% enough that it wasn't worth considering, and that's why i went and ran the numbers

idk when i read his posts i think there's space for him to think the MS original setup is in play, but also think you're saying something useless, prec

prec didn't respond to this at all :(

Precarious 08-23-2018 04:57 PM

Re: TWG CLXXX - OuO what's this? [Game Thread]
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by inDheart (Post 4645119)
prec didn't respond to this at all :(

Even if you assume I misinterpreted his explanation, and that his excuse is valid, it still doesn't explain the Whats post. That was an extreme overreaction to something relatively minor. If you had bothered to read my subsequent deep dive into Blind, you'd have also noticed that he sheeped other arguments at least twice during D2, leading me to suspect that my initial interpretation--that he saw people discussing the dumbtell, then went fully in on someone else's work--is correct.

inDheart 08-23-2018 04:57 PM

Re: TWG CLXXX - OuO what's this? [Game Thread]
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Precarious (Post 4645112)
I've been reviewing the game rolls. The Gunsmith RR appears to be the only time where two points are used to generate only a single role. An additional I, P, H, K, or R would generate one additional blue role, which means (assuming Tps' truthfulness), we're at KRRXTTT, where X isn't a T--which doesn't implicate Freezin.

I think it would still be better for Tps to fully claim, but I'm still trying to wrap my mind around the potential implications of doing so.

i think it is fine for him to full claim

wolves are already in a game where if freezin lives through this day (idk i saw chat about lynching him) then they need to decide whether they're going to kill him and hope he guesses wrong if he decides to take a shot

if they decide to play that game then it doesn't matter what role tps is

Precarious 08-23-2018 04:58 PM

Re: TWG CLXXX - OuO what's this? [Game Thread]
 
Now since you're obviously here, what's your take on Tps' claim?

blindreper1179 08-23-2018 05:01 PM

Re: TWG CLXXX - OuO what's this? [Game Thread]
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by FreezinIce (Post 4645007)
How are you going to lynch the person I shoot if you lynch me lol.

You didn't specify what the freezin idea even was

Taken as a whole the post is incomprensibile

Oh, ok. You just don't know how to read then.

I said "I WAS gonna say" as in, instead of lynching you, we lynch your kill instead. BUT, I don't like that idea too much because you could be lying, or the wolves night kill you and we lose your power. Comprehensible enough for you now?

Tps222 08-23-2018 05:01 PM

Re: TWG CLXXX - OuO what's this? [Game Thread]
 
Town Leans:

Cel, Freezn, inDHeart, Funnygurl

Neurtal:

Sunfan, Prec

Scum lean:

Blindreper, Xiz

I've had a town lean on sunfan all game so I'm honestly a little surprised to see that he isn't seeing the forest through the trees here.

Precarious worries me a little bit for his reaction, I agree with inDHeart that his delayed claim (yeah I know pot calling kettle black) was weird, and his back and forth with Blindreper seemed really forced after a while. I really get the feeling that Xiz is capable of coaching Blind up on that and was happy to take advantage of freezn bringing that fight back up yesterday, and that I'm relatively confident that there is 1 wolf out of Blind/Xiz/Prec.

Tps222 08-23-2018 05:05 PM

Re: TWG CLXXX - OuO what's this? [Game Thread]
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DaBackpack (Post 4643759)
wc to protect funny and cel ughhhh

Am I wrong in interpreting this post as an indication that DBP checked at least 1/2 of cel/funny and wanted to save one of them because of it? I re-read the thread and didn't see a mention of this which is why I was wondering if I misinterpretted the power. That's the major reason I'm putting them town lean right now and I want to make sure that's not with faulty logic at hand.

inDheart 08-23-2018 05:05 PM

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also i'm like ~certain at this point that no wolf fake claimed, bc they're rather sure of how many Ts are in the setup right now and fake claiming would require them to believe there's an SK, i think

the SK could know there's a fake claim but would never be able to express that because it's self-outing

the VT pool is the lynch pool

sunfan is probably just clear because peeking the counterwagon makes sense if you're dbp

Precarious 08-23-2018 05:08 PM

Re: TWG CLXXX - OuO what's this? [Game Thread]
 
EBWOP: Okay, I see you posted.

Here's how I'm seeing it: the wolves would be inclined to eliminate a power role given the opportunity, since most could either implicate or kill them, or block their own NKs. That would make Tps and Freezin likely night targets. But, things are complicated if Tps is a Hider or a Doctor/Jailkeeper. Attacking Hider Tps would result in a failed NK; not attacking him could allow him to protect or jailkeep depending on what if any JOAT powers have been used (TTT gives us two goons and a JOAT).

If Tps is an I or an R, he should imo reveal that and any investigative results.


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