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mellon_collie 06-25-2019 04:38 PM
Re: jTWG LXXXIV: 8 New Players and Raeko Game Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by gold stinger (Post 4679988)
@MN what's your thoughts on my dragonmega read? ShyYoshiGuy didn't really see it and thought it was out there enough to vote me, Raeko can't see it
I just think you're putting a bit too much stock into wolf chat interactions. Shadow wouldn't have been able to predict that happening after his own flip, there's no way he could have coached dragon on what "read" meant if it just hadn't come up in their chat

especially if they are both clueless wolf chat wouldn't really help much.

I think being clueless is pretty NAI in itself, since someone wouldn't know any better just by rolling a certain alignment other than a few things from wolf chat (but again I don't think we should put too much stock into that)

MarioNintendo 06-25-2019 04:40 PM
Re: jTWG LXXXIV: 8 New Players and Raeko Game Thread
 
Yoshi is worrying me a lot

Sanzath, I try to see GS's world, but I feel you are zoning out too much. From what I recall, he made some believable calls. I don't know how to interpret his vote on h&h, and I'm very afraid of his wolf game so I try to keep my eyes peeled... There are just so many more things sticking out from other players that I have a hard time focusing on sanz. Again, I can see him being wolf. That's because he plays exactly the same, whether he is wolf or town. We will catch Sanz by understanding the intent of his posts.

Honestly, Antori and dragon voting each other makes me think "Confused towns". It makes me want to focus my attention elsewhere

MarioNintendo 06-25-2019 04:41 PM
Re: jTWG LXXXIV: 8 New Players and Raeko Game Thread
 
NAI = Not alignment indicative

mellon_collie 06-25-2019 04:42 PM
Re: jTWG LXXXIV: 8 New Players and Raeko Game Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by MarioNintendo (Post 4679995)
NAI = Not alignment indicative
sorry, I'll try to stop using so many random terms I keep forgetting this is a jTWG

gold stinger 06-25-2019 04:45 PM
Re: jTWG LXXXIV: 8 New Players and Raeko Game Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mellon_collie (Post 4679983)
@gold stinger

I get the idea of a lynch order based on votes, I think it's a good idea but just not with me at the front :mrgreen:

I think yoshi or even dragon would be better for first choices
Honestly I just can't.

I truly think dragon didn't know enough about the game going into d0 eod. A lot of their posts give off generic wolf vibes and bad suggestions for game plays, not to mention a lack of TWG lingo.

And Sanzath wolf leaning Yoshi and then exerting pressure on Antori via possible back & forth with shadowgod, which:

Quote:
Originally Posted by gold stinger (Post 4679974)
if you're willing to consider the scenario that the conversation between Shadowgod and Antori is fabricated, then you should also take into consideration the possibility of the conversation between Shadowgod & Yoshi being fabricated, which didn't even happen because Yoshi was not around to post.

scum leaning Antori from that back and forth would mean town leaning Yoshi for me.

dragonmegaXX 06-25-2019 04:45 PM
Re: jTWG LXXXIV: 8 New Players and Raeko Game Thread
 
My dumbass also just realized GS was talking to Raeko and not me nice

gold stinger 06-25-2019 04:47 PM
Re: jTWG LXXXIV: 8 New Players and Raeko Game Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by MarioNintendo (Post 4679994)
Honestly, Antori and dragon voting each other makes me think "Confused towns". It makes me want to focus my attention elsewhere
This.

gold stinger 06-25-2019 04:48 PM
Re: jTWG LXXXIV: 8 New Players and Raeko Game Thread
 
Add Yoshi in there y'all a buncha confused af towns

dragonmegaXX 06-25-2019 04:50 PM
Re: jTWG LXXXIV: 8 New Players and Raeko Game Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by gold stinger (Post 4680001)
Add Yoshi in there y'all a buncha confused af towns
I feel like this is the whole point of hosting a jTWG

gold stinger 06-25-2019 04:52 PM
Re: jTWG LXXXIV: 8 New Players and Raeko Game Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by sanzath (Post 4679891)
AND WHY WOULD I THEN PROCEED TO NIGHTKILL H&H?????
btw this is quality wifom material

sanzath 06-25-2019 04:55 PM
Re: jTWG LXXXIV: 8 New Players and Raeko Game Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by MarioNintendo (Post 4679936)
Alright, done for now. Excited to hear what you guys think
wow

cool post

Regarding thought #1:
Quote:
Was Shadow_God_10 protecting his wolf partner?
That's the million dollar question... Since he was "wolf leaning" me, I'm tempted to say that, yes, he was protecting his partner. He made this list 5.75 hours before getting lynched, hence he probably did not expect to die. He must have felt relatively safe. He either posted this list and expected his problems to go away, or he expected to die (!?) and posted this list to throw us off on d1.
Can you expand on this a bit? Do you mean that this particular point makes you think the wolf is within the people he townread and not within the people he nullread?

As an aside, staring at the reads list so much, I just noticed he didn't even say that Raeko was null, just that "it was good she wasn't here".

Regarding thought #2:

I still have no idea why he gave up like that. I think your wolfchat theory is interesting, but of the people you listed, Raeko's the only real possibility to me. Considering she was indeed in thread at EoD (responded to his "see you in deadchat/postgame!" post with "??"s), I suppose it could have happened.

sanzath 06-25-2019 04:56 PM
Re: jTWG LXXXIV: 8 New Players and Raeko Game Thread
 
(accidentally posted because I forgot I was making a post for all 3 thoughts)

Regarding thought #3:

You declaring your intent to watch out for people changing their behaviour will also change their behaviour, lol

MarioNintendo 06-25-2019 05:01 PM
Re: jTWG LXXXIV: 8 New Players and Raeko Game Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by MarioNintendo (Post 4679994)
Yoshi is worrying me a lot

Sanzath, I try to see GS's world, but I feel you are zoning out too much. From what I recall, he made some believable calls. I don't know how to interpret his vote on h&h, and I'm very afraid of his wolf game so I try to keep my eyes peeled... There are just so many more things sticking out from other players that I have a hard time focusing on sanz. Again, I can see him being wolf. That's because he plays exactly the same, whether he is wolf or town. We will catch Sanz by understanding the intent of his posts.

Honestly, Antori and dragon voting each other makes me think "Confused towns". It makes me want to focus my attention elsewhere
Clarification: the "you" in my Sanzath read is Gold Stinger. I am not talking to Sanz in this post

sanzath 06-25-2019 05:04 PM
Re: jTWG LXXXIV: 8 New Players and Raeko Game Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ShyYoshiGuy (Post 4679923)
GS:

I’ve been busy, alwite? I still don’t see it. I read the pages you told me to read a couple more times, and I don’t see it. You’re trying to trick me by posting pages of long posts of TWG-lingo words. “It’s in there. If you don’t see it, that means you’re not paying attention/you’re inactive/you’re really bad at this game, and it has nothing to do with the fact that I can’t actually summarize my thoughts. Go back and read it a couple more times until you finally understand, it’s in there.”

Sanzath:

Where you said Shadow’s vote came from is the exact reason I can’t find it. It’s just random, lucky votes. Gotcha. But that also means all my previous reads are garbage because they’re based on the random, lucky votes.

Nah, Antori and dragon are no longer my vote. My vote’s for goldenstinger.
I don't get this, specifically the bolded part.

- you never stated in any of your previous posts that you were reading anyone based on the fact that they had voted (or not) on shadowgod. (this is why it's important to actually post what you're thinking, not just think it!)
- even if you did, "random lucky votes" are never random when they come from the wolf. A wolf doesn't "randomly" land their vote on their wolf partner. If they do, it's because they're throwing their partner under the bus (usually referred to as "bussing"), which is pretty much against their own win condition, if they do it so early in the game.

gold stinger 06-25-2019 05:06 PM
Re: jTWG LXXXIV: 8 New Players and Raeko Game Thread
 
would shadowgod townread dragonmega because mellon_collie townread dragonmega

if only the game were that simple

gold stinger 06-25-2019 05:08 PM
Re: jTWG LXXXIV: 8 New Players and Raeko Game Thread
 
I'm gonna have to reread all of Sanzath's posts now if you think he made some believable calls because I didn't see any that stood out as believable to me.

gold stinger 06-25-2019 05:09 PM
Re: jTWG LXXXIV: 8 New Players and Raeko Game Thread
 
Most of the stuff that I agree with from him are situations pertaining to the game as a whole, some of which I do agree with.

gold stinger 06-25-2019 05:11 PM
Re: jTWG LXXXIV: 8 New Players and Raeko Game Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by sanzath (Post 4679412)
The safest strat as a wolf is to post very little. I am a wolf. Therefore I shall post very little.
good job btw

sanzath 06-25-2019 05:15 PM
Re: jTWG LXXXIV: 8 New Players and Raeko Game Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mellon_collie (Post 4679961)
even if I was a wolf I would never ever tell my partner to give up, ever. one of my biggest peeves in this game is when people self vote or otherwise give up, I think you should always try to somehow talk your way out or at least meme rather than giving up.
I can attest to raeko absolutely hating self-votes

[daily mafia flashbacks]

But that doesn't completely discredit MN's point. You could have said "hey maybe don't do the thing you're about to do" without actually saying "yo give up", and shadowgod just took it the wrong way?

it's just a theory tho

ShyYoshiGuy 06-25-2019 05:15 PM
Re: jTWG LXXXIV: 8 New Players and Raeko Game Thread
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by sanzath (Post 4680008)
I don't get this, specifically the bolded part.

- you never stated in any of your previous posts that you were reading anyone based on the fact that they had voted (or not) on shadowgod. (this is why it's important to actually post what you're thinking, not just think it!)
- even if you did, "random lucky votes" are never random when they come from the wolf. A wolf doesn't "randomly" land their vote on their wolf partner. If they do, it's because they're throwing their partner under the bus (usually referred to as "bussing"), which is pretty much against their own win condition, if they do it so early in the game.
Oof, you right. Ok fine, I’m not sure what I believe anymore.


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