Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [GAME THREAD]
 

what nights

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [GAME THREAD]
 

yeah antori, it is really weird that the wolfs killed hateandhatred
why do you think that happened?

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [GAME THREAD]
 

i mean he's right but investigators can also be mafia from how i understand the setup

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [GAME THREAD]
 

it's probably cause wolfs knew something noone else knew if i had to guess

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [GAME THREAD]
 

what
nights
n1/n3
or
n2/4

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [GAME THREAD]
 

n2/n4

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [GAME THREAD]
 

you and I both know that I only got the fucking role name and not any info on it

you fucking know how this role works

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [GAME THREAD]
 

that's actually not how the role works

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [GAME THREAD]
 

source: In my qualifying game, a role cop checked me and confirmed that I was the n2/n4 jailor (yes, I rolled the same role 2 games in a row)

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [GAME THREAD]
 

then it was executed improperly and we can scream about it post game

i only learned he was a doctor, that is literally what I was told

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [GAME THREAD]
 

I'm not saying you're fake Xel
more likely, this was just not resolved correctly

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [GAME THREAD]
 

i usually play wolf in a self conscious way so i could see wolfs not wanting to hang the obvious "important role" cause maby a doc is alive and would be on them so i could see a world where xel is being framed here, i could also see xel being investigator wolf and saving my kill for tonight

what are all the roles that mafia could have, is it literally any role or are there some ones they can't have

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [GAME THREAD]
 

who did u target n2 and why

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [GAME THREAD]
 

literally any role
no role can only be town or only be wolf

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [GAME THREAD]
 

... i forgot to target


i am a great at this game

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [GAME THREAD]
 

just
try not to forget this night phase
ok?

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [GAME THREAD]
 

of course, and who do we still not have a role on yet, is it precarious psychoangel
subaru has a shot tonight and you have a jail too, we could make some sort of plan

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [GAME THREAD]
 

subaru does not have a shot tonight
he could only shoot on n2

a plan only matters if we lynch a wolf today; if we don't, then wolves can play around us too well

I'm making a list of all the role claims and stuff but its incomplete and I will be posting it once all players alive have claimed

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [GAME THREAD]
 

honestly I'd post my role list right now but so many fucking people have demonstrated that they aren't reading/paying attention that I'm not posting it until everyone has claimed and hoping someone makes a mistake

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [GAME THREAD]
 

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [GAME THREAD]
 

claiming n1/n3 doctor
docs both on you sunfan for your towniness (shadow_god vote)

and I apologize for not thinking shit was fucky yesterday

because like
where the FUCK did this subaru push come from

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [GAME THREAD]
 

antori
what were your thoughts on jessiebessie and why do you think the wolves nightkilled sven

if someone other than antori answers this question before antori does I will vote you

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [GAME THREAD]
 

i didn't have a town read on jessie but i also didn't have a strong wolf lean on him by any means, also i dont have the slightest clue why they would kill sven instead of me

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [GAME THREAD]
 

why do you think that the wolves killed sven
and why do you think that the vigi shot jessie?

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [GAME THREAD]
 

well, sorry, just answer the 2nd question
you already said you don't know about sven being killed by the wolves
that's my mistake, Antori

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [GAME THREAD]
 

i just assumed sven was the one wolfs night killed cause you said so, aside from that i could still see sven being the nightkill since he acted more town than jessibessie to me at least, also for same reason i could see vigi shooting jessie more than sven

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [GAME THREAD]
 

I don't recall saying wolves killed sven specifically, but its whatever

I think that you're never a wolf now, friend

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [GAME THREAD]
 

sweet i dont understand what goes in your head but it always seems right lol

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [GAME THREAD]
 

I'm also sorry to Xiz

precarious

hopefully this makes up for it
that last minute vote was scummus maximus

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [GAME THREAD]
 

yeah I'll let you know if I ever meet someone who does understand what goes on inside my head

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [GAME THREAD]
 

I'm just like

I get I need to do a read reset and do this again but

a sunfan vote and a subaru vote were cast today (one unvoted, but)
what

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [GAME THREAD]
 

god the BRUH is taking ME OVER

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [GAME THREAD]
 

btw I think that
Xel is always town now
he knew antori was a doctor this whole time so he probably would've nightkilled that dude last night (or before) and not killed into jessie/sven (last night) because he didn't know whether antori was n1/n3 or n2/n4

it doesn't make any sense not to kill antori
and I don't know if I can change that read

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [GAME THREAD]
 

yes, yes this take on xel is good
there wasn't pressure to kill another player/role immediately so leaving antori alive is bretty risky if xel is a wolf

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [GAME THREAD]
 

I lost my status as a Bodhisattva
so I feel your mood very strongly

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [GAME THREAD]
 

btw
thanks for the saves roundbox
sincerely

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [GAME THREAD]
 

in order for Xel to be mafia
he needed to roleblock antori/lar last night
and have his remaining partner be EXACTLY n1/n3 roleblocker and target the other player

that's the only world where Xel can be mafia, I think

and even then it doesn't exactly make a ton of sense

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [GAME THREAD]
 

it'd be fucking stupid is what it'd be

I'd even tried to hint it through my reads list, who the hell town read antori there seriously

GOSH I PLAYED THE ROLE decent GUYS

GUYS I might have DID IT

AND GREG IS STILL MAD AT ME

I get you greg I do but,

YOU AREN'T MY TEACHER. YOU PICKED THE WRONG HOUSE.

Lecture me when you do black eagles route

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [GAME THREAD]
 

oh ok it can be Xel/Lar and Xel can block antori and Lar can be lying about being roleblocked
but that just doesn't really feel like that's it

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [GAME THREAD]
 

btw I know that's not what you're doing

I just like fe3h jokes rn

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [GAME THREAD]
 

I know its not relevant but
I am probably going to like Black Eagles the most
I am doing them last on purpose, if I haven't said that before

I owe Svaz a finished Golden Sun but
I'll get through the Black Eagles soon enough

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [GAME THREAD]
 

wait lar said he was blocked last night

who blocked him

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [GAME THREAD]
 

yes, he said he was blocked last night
and we don't know yet

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [GAME THREAD]
 

... Someone claim this plz or I think we lynch him here

because the only ones who could were me and the n1/n3 blocker I think

if we take his post literally

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [GAME THREAD]
 

... I loathe that wolves can have the doctor role

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [GAME THREAD]
 

n1/n3 jailkeeper as well
which I forgot about in my earlier post

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [GAME THREAD]
 

Because think of it this way

both left over wolves are doctors

antori and roundbox could absolutely be wolves leaving the towniest players left till end of game

bus one

other wins f3

this hurts my brain this is possible

not saying it's the case but fuck

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [GAME THREAD]
 

if roundbox is a wolf, n1/n3 doctor is by far the weakest wolf role out of all the potentials
followed not-so-closely by n2/n4 doctor

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [GAME THREAD]
 

I'm gonna step out to get the tin foil outta my hair

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [GAME THREAD]
 

btw I've been holding onto this thought for a while and I almost don't even want to post it but

Duskfall (cloud_wine) is like the villain in Balls Of Fury; he only completed half of his training

he doesn't have a backhand (wolf-game)

his posts as wolf are incredibly lacking compared to a very, very impressive town game

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [GAME THREAD]
 

precarious
for now

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [GAME THREAD]
 

precarious i'll change vote according to what comes up tomorrow when i wake up but for now i'll trust the sun fan

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [GAME THREAD]
 

unvote
I don't want prec to get wrung up early or anything

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [GAME THREAD]
 

I owe it to DBP to go through his reads
I'll do that after dinner tonight
gonna play some fire emblem for now

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [GAME THREAD]
 

Not gonna lie, Precarious has some awesome reads, but there's something about how good they are at reading stuff that leads me to believe they have some malicious intent going on. They make their reads, put some other comments, then just kinda leave us to work it out for ourselves.

I've even agreed on some of their reads but it's my paranoia, gullibility, and uncertainty that's leaning me to be a lil sus.
I'll believe they're town, but I feel they're somethin malicious otherwise.

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [GAME THREAD]
 

bleh, I really wish I weren't like 2 mins too late at EOD. Need to stay off my mobile it always takes too long.
I have to figure out where to look now with hate flipping green, I haven't read everything from today just yet either.
I did see the call for a mass claim from sunfan though, I'm town roleblocker n2, n4 and blocked antori on n2

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [GAME THREAD]
 

I'm still reading today's stuff but would I be nuts to say it's a Xel/antori wolf combo here. I mean traction started on antori, xel protects with a vague "he's got an important role" Then now he blocked me last night? Am I confused how the roles work here?

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [GAME THREAD]
 

oh, jack of all trades hmm...

idk I still wonder if I'd be crazy for thinking a Xel/antori situation but I'm not dead set on anything yet.

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [GAME THREAD]
 

Antori's definitely on null/wolf-lean but I don't really have a sound reason for thinking so other than "oh self-preservation AND he's inactive."

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [GAME THREAD]
 

By the way I don't think I'm using "null" right, it's when you don't have a definitive read on their role/alignment right? They just exist to you.

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [GAME THREAD]
 

I'd say that's pretty accurate for null

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [GAME THREAD]
 

I don't like Antori bandwagoning sunfan's precarious vote

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [GAME THREAD]
 

yes, you would be nuts to say this
we know xel targeted antori n1
its insane to do that to your teammate

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [GAME THREAD]
 

So lemme get a recap: What's our standings on Antori, and what are our standings on Prec right now? Because my standings right now for Antori are Null/Wolf-Lean, and for Prec they're just a null for me right now. It's like that Change my Mind sign guy.

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [GAME THREAD]
 

Not that a compliment means much from me but I like these proddings from SunFan

And Xel, I legit said I got no results back when I went to check Pyschoangel first thing this phase...first post, first sentence.

Come on man

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [GAME THREAD]
 

what is this even responding to

like i'm thrown for a bit of a loop here, and xelicopters don't exactly do rolls here

I don't wanna crash

per-se

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [GAME THREAD]
 

Like lar let me be clear with you where my headspace is at

these are the two worlds for this game I'll accept right now

1. the sun fan
2. Xiz [Lynched Day 3]
3. Funnygurl555 [Killed Night 2]
4. MixMasterLar
5. roundbox
6. Shadow_God_10 WOLF [Lynched Day 1]
7. SubaruPoptart
8. DaBackPack TOWN [Killed Night 1]
9. XelNya/Xelicopter
10. HateandHatred [Killed Night 3]
11. Antori
12. jessiebessie [Killed Night 3]
13. Precarious
14. dragonmegaXX WOLF [Lynched Day 2]
15. Svaz [ModKilled]
16. _Zenith_ [Killed Night 2]
17. psychoangel691

There are six fucking people this game can have as the final wolves

1. the sun fan
2. MixMasterLar
3. roundbox
4. Antori
5. Precarious
6. psychoangel691

Any combinations of these, I'd believe.

If I use actions in game to solidify some of the "less likely to be wolves based on votes"

I'd rip only sunfan out of the pile. Mostly for the actions of D1. We don't net shadow for free there without him. We just don't.

Also there's this:

If greg was a wolf, he wouldn't be hinting at what I think he's getting at.

1. MixMasterLar
2. roundbox
3. Antori
4. Precarious
5. psychoangel691

Here's the issue. There are TWO goddamned doctors alive.

One is claiming he forgot to send in an action.

Antori I've been pulling for you all game but I honestly think you fucking lied to us. The only reason you don't doctor high priority towns is because you're a wolf.

ON TOP OF THAT you're gameplay is full of sheeping, and lacks any standout choices made strictly by yourself, even your precarious vote right now feels like you're literally appealing to greg because you know town's following him.

The other one is roundbox.

THIS. I trust. A lot more than Antori "forgetting." Everything about the tone is right, roundbox may have played a more passive game, but the work is there if he'd had less irl in the way. I feel based off both ltwg meta and typical town pr meta he's had in other games, if he'd had more time he'd have grabbed town's balls till they followed him.

We get this:

1. MixMasterLar
2. Antori
3. Precarious
4. psychoangel691

Given my role block on kayla last night, I'm knocking her off the list. She couldn't have made the kill and isn't worth it right now. I don't even care.

We arrive at final two pretty much.

1. MixMasterLar
2. Antori
3. Precarious

The issue is sorting out if you've made more town aligned moves than wolf aligned moves.

This is where the brain is going rn

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [GAME THREAD]
 

xel, antori is always telling the truth about forgetting; he's never lying
unless he's fakeclaiming, which you know he isn't, then he actually just forgot to send in an action

wolfchat can proxy actions, you have subaru as always town on your list, so wolves were afraid of n2 vig, so they would've targeted one of their own

antori isn't lying about that
he's telling the truth

similarly, regardless of roundbox's alignment, I don't think he is lying about targeting me both nights /if/ he is the n1/n3 doctor

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [GAME THREAD]
 

N2 Watcher here. I can confirm Zenith was visited by Subaru, so that...more or less confirms what everyone had accepted anyway.

I think I'm the last person to claim? If that's the case, then someone's lying about their role--two kills necessitates a vigilante, who by virtue of lying can be assumed to be a wolf.

I'm still on Antori personally and working on a case, although admittedly Sun Fan's explanation gives me a little pause. Ironically, what he describes as a town meta is a large part of my case, because it feels blatantly scummy to me.

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [GAME THREAD]
 

Kind of rereading right now, but I'll be paying attention to the thread as well.

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [GAME THREAD]
 

why did you not claim n2 watcher yesterday

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [GAME THREAD]
 

we know xel targeted antori with a role cop check
if antori is scum, he is either /exactly/ with xel, which I think is ridiculous
or he is the n2/n4 doctor like he is saying

so he's never the n3 vigi without some serious tinfoil worlds

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [GAME THREAD]
 

the world where everyone is telling the truth about their role involves sven shooting jessie last night and boy

I sure hope someone is lying

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [GAME THREAD]
 

sunfan n2/n4 jailor- n2 roundbox
xiz n2/n4 tracker- n2 sunfan to roundbox
funnygurl- (allegedly visited no one n2)
MML n3 alignment cop- checked kayla; was roleblocked
roundbox n1/n3 doc- n1 sunfan, n3 sunfan
shadow_god-
SubaruPoptart n2 vig- Zenith
DBP-
Xel JOAT1- n1 Antori "Doctor", n2 tracks funnygurl nowhere, n3 roleblocks kayla
Sven-
Antori n2/n4 Doctor- n2 forgot to save
jessiebessie n1 watcher- DBP was visited by Zenith and Cocoa
Precarious n2 watcher- Zenith was visited by Subaru
Cocoa-
Svaz- (probably the n2 alignment cop you just have to give me this one)
Zenith Voyeur- (possibly JOAT2 that used Voyeur first?) n1 DBP was Investigated and Killed
psychoangel n2/n4 roleblocker- antori n2

Roles unaccounted for:
n2 alignment cop
n3 vig
n1/n3 tracker
n1/n3 jailkeeper
n1/n3 roleblocker
n1-n3 role cop
JOAT2

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [GAME THREAD]
 

some things from the claims:

the world cannot be sunfan/antori or roundbox/antori (There are 0 worlds where these can exist; they do not even exist as tinfoil possibilities without a town lying about their role/who they visited)

sunfan/antori because xiz tracked me to only roundbox and kayla roleblocked antori, but the mafia factional nightkill still happened

roundbox/antori because I jailed roundbox and antori was roleblocked by kayla

Lar CAN be telling the truth along with everyone else if sven was exactly n1/n3 roleblocker OR n1/n3 jailor and targeted MML last night

town probably wins if we lynch a wolf today based on a few things, namely that we have so many n2/n4 actions still floating around

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [GAME THREAD]
 

precarious

why did you not claim watcher yesterday?
why did you watch Zenith?
Did you soft your information at all yesterday?

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [GAME THREAD]
 

oh ok
cya later precarious I guess

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [GAME THREAD]
 

btw, before I get into the DBP readback

antori is literally the worst possible lynch today because he is in the least number of worlds

sunfan/antori does not exist
roundbox/antori does not exist
xelnya/antori is absurdly ridiculous and involves serious scum misplay

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [GAME THREAD]
 

So if no antori worlds exist what other worlds could?

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [GAME THREAD]
 

Just leaving this here