Re: TWG CXLIX: Cedolad Replaces Out GAME THREAD
 

storn, do you want to get an additional vote on whoever you want?

Re: TWG CXLIX: Cedolad Replaces Out GAME THREAD
 

10min until my vote is locked and that I'm not posting until after EoD.

Re: TWG CXLIX: Cedolad Replaces Out GAME THREAD
 

Well, time's up. 'later

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I was going to sheep rzr, but I think this tone is far enough outside the usually wolf range to not lynch SKG today.

I think AragakiAyase is a better bet.

Vote Count
 

Votes from post 2207 to post 2484
Night in 9:06:25
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• Votes -- Lynch -- Voters
• 2 -- SKG_Scintill -- rzr (15), Hakulyte (45)
• 2 -- DaBackpack -- Charu (38), Red Blaster (25)
• 1 -- Xiz -- DaBackpack (77)
• 1 -- AragakiAyase -- TWG King Dedede (6)
• 1 -- rzr -- SKG_Scintill (4)
• 1 -- storn42 -- storn42 (7)
• 3 -- not voting -- AragakiAyase (42), reuben_tate (0), Xiz (15)

Re: TWG CXLIX: Cedolad Replaces Out GAME THREAD
 

Dedede, can I get a reads list from ya

Re: TWG CXLIX: Cedolad Replaces Out GAME THREAD
 

I still don't see a world where DBP is scum here. Like, the biggest tell was at the end of d2 when he wanted me to claim, even though I wasn't a pr. He thought botchi was fake and thought I was real. Like there were a bunch of those posts in bold at the end of the day where he was screaming at me wondering why I wasn't claiming. In what world would a wolf keep pushing for (what he thought) the real psychic to out when he could have just killed him in the night, especially when the doctor's save was used?

The only possible way I see it is if he is the SK. That is a world. But he acted so genuine in regards to helping town that I really, really don't see it.

Re: TWG CXLIX: Cedolad Replaces Out GAME THREAD
 

^ This might not have made sense. What I mean is that a wolf would kinda just sit back in this situation instead of pushing, no?

Re: TWG CXLIX: Cedolad Replaces Out GAME THREAD
 

why does there have to be a wolf on botchi's wagon at that point? he was acting pretty strangely which is why it started in the first place

as for why botchi read dbp town maybe it was because dbp has been playing his town meta. alternatively if he recognized dbp was softing maybe he townread him for that

Re: TWG CXLIX: Cedolad Replaces Out GAME THREAD
 

ok

why

Re: TWG CXLIX: Cedolad Replaces Out GAME THREAD
 

i still dont understand how you people think DBP is a woof.... like xiz said, he is a blatent fucking towny.... why do people even have votes on him?!?!

Re: TWG CXLIX: Cedolad Replaces Out GAME THREAD
 

I see where you're coming from and I think all of dbp's softing to draw a kill makes it highly likely that he's town. I don't see an SK softing because that means they'll be on the wolves list which doesn't help, and I don't see a wolf softing because that means the SK may target them as well. The only way that I could see it is if DBP were setting up for a fakeclaim but that doesn't seem like what he was going for

Re: TWG CXLIX: Cedolad Replaces Out GAME THREAD
 

hi storn. give me a reads list as well. Even if it's just colors.

Re: TWG CXLIX: Cedolad Replaces Out GAME THREAD
 

gut read dedede + SKG woof team

Re: TWG CXLIX: Cedolad Replaces Out GAME THREAD
 

I think you threw shade on me for zenith's play but haven't actually come up with anything concrete, breadcrumbing much?

Re: TWG CXLIX: Cedolad Replaces Out GAME THREAD
 

also what do we do about the inactives? namely reuben

Re: TWG CXLIX: Cedolad Replaces Out GAME THREAD
 

I'm really having trouble finding scum this game

Re: TWG CXLIX: Cedolad Replaces Out GAME THREAD
 

AA

That's exactly what he was doing. We have said it a bunch of times. It was DBP's and my exact discussion today. He was setting up a fake-claim to take the fall for hakulyte and I.

Re: TWG CXLIX: Cedolad Replaces Out GAME THREAD
 

(At the time, when he thought I was PR)

Re: TWG CXLIX: Cedolad Replaces Out GAME THREAD
 

Like please explain yourself here because that was suspicious as fuck

Re: TWG CXLIX: Cedolad Replaces Out GAME THREAD
 

lmfao what was suspicious about it? I must have missed where he was actually going to fakeclaim because I thought he was just softing and going to leave it at that. I saw the fake softing part but thought that was it so get off

Re: TWG CXLIX: Cedolad Replaces Out GAME THREAD
 

dont got much right now... still have to read through all 2000 posts yet.

dbp is towny
haku is a PR
i have a slight town lean on you
and that gut read, and thats it really.

Re: TWG CXLIX: Cedolad Replaces Out GAME THREAD
 

did you think I was just trying to shoot for town points

Re: TWG CXLIX: Cedolad Replaces Out GAME THREAD
 

you have an awkward reaction to pressure and the data point thing regarding zenith/rzr and that's it

Re: TWG CXLIX: Cedolad Replaces Out GAME THREAD
 

hmmmm........... got shooting on the mind?

Re: TWG CXLIX: Cedolad Replaces Out GAME THREAD
 

that's cute

and I just reread the dbp/xiz dialogue and nowhere do I actually see that he was going to fakeclaim, I just see covering

Re: TWG CXLIX: Cedolad Replaces Out GAME THREAD
 

also legitimately fakeclaiming doesn't seem like it'd help? because if I were the PR whose role was being fakeclaimed I might cc them

Re: TWG CXLIX: Cedolad Replaces Out GAME THREAD
 

It's weird how you missed something that took up a good 3 pages when DBP and I were going back and forth today discussing both of our logic over the past 2 days. It's like you didn't even read those posts.


Also, this was DBP end of D2:

Re: TWG CXLIX: Cedolad Replaces Out GAME THREAD
 

oh wait. I think I see the mixup.

Fakeclaiming =/= covering for you. I was thinking fakeclaiming as town to cover for blue god damn it

Re: TWG CXLIX: Cedolad Replaces Out GAME THREAD
 

This game is hard

Re: TWG CXLIX: Cedolad Replaces Out GAME THREAD
 

My reads haven't changed much, as I'm busy visiting friends over the weekend.

Re: TWG CXLIX: Cedolad Replaces Out GAME THREAD
 

Wait, how do you know they are town

Re: TWG CXLIX: Cedolad Replaces Out GAME THREAD
 

Re: TWG CXLIX: Cedolad Replaces Out GAME THREAD
 

*knowing reuben is town

Re: TWG CXLIX: Cedolad Replaces Out GAME THREAD
 

is it bad that i really want to pocket xiz here?

Re: TWG CXLIX: Cedolad Replaces Out GAME THREAD
 

warning: Incoming storn logic asdsad

Re: TWG CXLIX: Cedolad Replaces Out GAME THREAD
 

ignore this, im derping.

Re: TWG CXLIX: Cedolad Replaces Out GAME THREAD
 

I'm going to assume you don't know what pocketing means, or you are making fun of me.

Re: TWG CXLIX: Cedolad Replaces Out GAME THREAD
 

Morning

Re: TWG CXLIX: Cedolad Replaces Out GAME THREAD
 

I really hate no cardflips

Re: TWG CXLIX: Cedolad Replaces Out GAME THREAD
 

He's talking about himself -- calling himself a bad towni think

Re: TWG CXLIX: Cedolad Replaces Out GAME THREAD
 

My gut is telling me red blaster is a hit here

Re: TWG CXLIX: Cedolad Replaces Out GAME THREAD
 

^ plural

Re: TWG CXLIX: Cedolad Replaces Out GAME THREAD
 

So, your thought process through these three posts is:
1."fonti is pushing on me for vague reasons, probably mafia."
2."Let's not focus on me or fonti, let's look at the (easily lynched) inactive."
3."I don't have any mafia."

What?

Re: TWG CXLIX: Cedolad Replaces Out GAME THREAD
 

I really think AA needs to die. That thought process is so fake it burns.

Re: TWG CXLIX: Cedolad Replaces Out GAME THREAD
 

Man, SKG has all this sketch vote placement.

Re: TWG CXLIX: Cedolad Replaces Out GAME THREAD
 

add to this a gut of AA sk

Re: TWG CXLIX: Cedolad Replaces Out GAME THREAD
 

Welp, I'm here but I don't know how to help...I'm so behind on the thread that I feel like it's hopeless at this point to start reading. Being modkilled for inactivity though is not beneficial to my alignment so idk. Wat do?

Re: TWG CXLIX: Cedolad Replaces Out GAME THREAD
 

Read the thread

Re: TWG CXLIX: Cedolad Replaces Out GAME THREAD
 

Triage. Focus on vote counts and postcounts (which are easy metrics), important events like end of days, and keeping up with current posts.

Re: TWG CXLIX: Cedolad Replaces Out GAME THREAD
 

how is that a thought process? Those are 3 independent thoughts and I'm not sure why you're trying to make it seem like they were related

Re: TWG CXLIX: Cedolad Replaces Out GAME THREAD
 

LOL

Re: TWG CXLIX: Cedolad Replaces Out GAME THREAD
 

fontisian you're cherrypicking

Re: TWG CXLIX: Cedolad Replaces Out GAME THREAD
 

They were literally three posts over the course of a minute. What.

I quoted three entire posts. What context is missing? Whaaat.

Re: TWG CXLIX: Cedolad Replaces Out GAME THREAD
 

Like, when I'm thinking about the game, how many scum suspects I have, and who I think is scum, at the same time, those thoughts are generally related.

Re: TWG CXLIX: Cedolad Replaces Out GAME THREAD
 

I was just listing out random thoughts

you quoted three entire posts as if they were all related and tried to twist them to make me seem bad, that's the definition of cherrypicking

I think the way you pushed on me earlier was scummy but I think V's play earlier was somewhat towny so I'm not sure where to place you

It's not that I don't have any mafia, I'm just having trouble finding scum because I don't have any strong leads like I normally do (see what I mean by twisting?)

Re: TWG CXLIX: Cedolad Replaces Out GAME THREAD
 

good, good, project your mindset onto me

Re: TWG CXLIX: Cedolad Replaces Out GAME THREAD
 

You ... don't connect thoughts about the game?

"Rueben or Fonti might be mafia" and "I don't have many mafia" are thoughts about the same basic things, no?

Re: TWG CXLIX: Cedolad Replaces Out GAME THREAD
 

I do but I'm saying you're connecting thoughts that weren't related

please realize that I'm playing this game during my school semester and although it may be the weekend I'm often studying while playing

and again you're misinterpreting, read my above post on my thoughts on your slot, I pinged reuben out because he's a bad data point

having trouble finding scum =/= not having mafia, again read my above post

Re: TWG CXLIX: Cedolad Replaces Out GAME THREAD
 

you're deliberately ignoring what I'm posting to try and push a nonexistent point

Re: TWG CXLIX: Cedolad Replaces Out GAME THREAD
 

How are they not related? And how did I twist them?

Cherry picking is the act of taking things out of context. Where did I do this?

Why was the way I pushed on you scummy? Why was V towny?

How on earth can you have mafia and have trouble finding any at the same time?

Re: TWG CXLIX: Cedolad Replaces Out GAME THREAD
 

Ok, so you're saying that the thoughts weren't connected because you're busy? I don't see how that applies, because all three posts were made within a minute of each other. That's just about enough time to type them up and hit post.

I really need to understand how one can have mafia and have trouble finding them at the same time, because I don't follow at all.

I think you're resorting to meaningless words that sound like they discredit my push instead of actually addressing my problem. :/

Re: TWG CXLIX: Cedolad Replaces Out GAME THREAD
 

they are not related because: I noticed you had thrown a vote on me when you started posting and pushing on me again and I responded to that

I pinged out an inactive that I had just noticed

and then I realized that I don't have any strong suspicions

You interpret that as: I think fontisian is mafia

I think reuben is also mafia but let's redirect on to him

and I don't have any mafia

all of which I have said are not what I was thinking. so you've twisted all of my posts

the way you're pushing on me scummy was because originally it seemed like you just threw out some random points as a reason to vote me, aka post 86 or something and a reaction to pressure. given that you yourself have said you don't know any of us I'll say for you that zenith always reacts poorly to pressure regardless of alignment and the data point thing is weak. V didn't post much but the way he was trying to throw out reads regardless of time restrictions and burst posting on short observations made it seem like he was being really honest. And now that you're still pushing on me you've ignored posts I've made (and am having to reiterate now) and you're twisting and cherrypicking my posts

I can have mafia because I have weak suspicions/leans on certain people but I can still have trouble finding them because I don't have any strong "I think this person's a mafia" feeling

Re: TWG CXLIX: Cedolad Replaces Out GAME THREAD
 

they were 3 observations that were unrelated

I answered your question about how I can have mafia and have trouble finding them just now

Re: TWG CXLIX: Cedolad Replaces Out GAME THREAD
 

my thought process is more likely to be scattered when I'm doing something else (studying) so I'm more likely to throw out random observations than a connected train of thought, especially when I'm not focusing strongly on anything at a particular time

Re: TWG CXLIX: Cedolad Replaces Out GAME THREAD
 

compare it to now when I'm arguing against you

Re: TWG CXLIX: Cedolad Replaces Out GAME THREAD
 

oh cool he left


k

Re: TWG CXLIX: Cedolad Replaces Out GAME THREAD
 

Ok, this makes more sense. So, they are related, but there's a coherent thought process behind them. I still think it's a little off, but not as much as I originally thought.

...

You keep using these words ("cherry picking," "twisting") like they exonerate you, when in reality it's a way of casting doubt without making a true argument. Perhaps that's your normal style, but it's unhelpful.

I can't take your word for it on Zenith, as you are biased in his favor. Could someone else confirm that Zenith always reacts poorly to pressure?

I pointed out rzr's post 86, as it had some logic I disagreed with, but that I believe was given in good faith, and I wanted to explain my disagree. Specifically, I think Zenith's start was scummy because he tried to analyze something that he previous stated was pointless instead of all the content already in thread. It seems like he was trying to fake content to get townread, even though he didn't believe in it.

I still think you're mafia, but I'm not as tunneled in as I was on it prior to that last post.

Re: TWG CXLIX: Cedolad Replaces Out GAME THREAD
 

whoa hold the phone there

I was only covering for Xiz here --- I knew Haku was a medic so I tried to divert attention off of him, but I only was softing as psychic.

You thinking that because the PRs claimed, I was rolehunting is stupid as fuck if you're town and just opportunistic if you're antitown

riddle me this Red Blaster, how are the two occurences connected at all?

if I was the serial killer, why would I literally paint a target on my back for the wolf nightkill?

which would leave me as a mafia member, which I would like to see you try to pin on me, since I've been one of the most active scumhunters in this game so far

Re: TWG CXLIX: Cedolad Replaces Out GAME THREAD
 

not touching charu or dabackpack today

slight town lean on xiz/red blaster

I'm sitting null on rzr, cause he promised big things but now IRL seems to be getting in the way. his tone has been towny but I really wanted to see what he had to say and meh

fontisian is climbing up the scum ladder the more he ignores me and continues trying to mislynch me

SKG still hasn't done shit

same with reuben

storn's tone seems ok but i've misread him the past few games and I had no read on cedolad

I'd be ok with killing storn, reuben, skg today, maaaaaaybe fontisian but that's dependent on what he continues to post

I don't think I missed anyone

Re: TWG CXLIX: Cedolad Replaces Out GAME THREAD
 

k I like fontisian's last post

Re: TWG CXLIX: Cedolad Replaces Out GAME THREAD
 

and your apparent refusal to accept that I was actually protecting a blue (in my mind) twice in the same phase leads me to suspect that you are going for "he lied, ergo I am justified in sounding suspicious of him" which is incredibly lazy

and you know what else is incredibly lazy? going after AA right now "just because Zenith did some weird things"

Re: TWG CXLIX: Cedolad Replaces Out GAME THREAD
 

I think if someone tried to explain zenith's meta it would help

Re: TWG CXLIX: Cedolad Replaces Out GAME THREAD
 

he gets mad

Re: TWG CXLIX: Cedolad Replaces Out GAME THREAD
 

*rolls eyes*

Because Zenith's alignment has nothing to do with AAs.

Re: TWG CXLIX: Cedolad Replaces Out GAME THREAD
 

A little more detail, please.

Re: TWG CXLIX: Cedolad Replaces Out GAME THREAD
 

also where did zenith say it was pointless to analyze the kill? was it in a previous game?

Re: TWG CXLIX: Cedolad Replaces Out GAME THREAD
 

it absolutely does

but iirc he's not even really considering AA's behavior here, which is lazy if he's "REALLY TRYING TO FIND THE TRUTH"

I will need to check that last point again

Re: TWG CXLIX: Cedolad Replaces Out GAME THREAD
 

I was being facetious

that's all I really know about Zenith, he's been changing a lot

Re: TWG CXLIX: Cedolad Replaces Out GAME THREAD
 

Really mad