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Arch0wl 08-23-2018 11:54 PM

VISA/Mastercard blocks payment to Horowitz Center because of SPLC
 
or rather, the Horowitz center claims this.



https://www.dailywire.com/news/34955...witz-paul-bois
https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-h...david-horowitz

Arch0wl 08-24-2018 12:07 AM

Re: VISA/Mastercard blocks payment to Horowitz Center because of SPLC
 
this could be bullshit, since I have never heard of anything like this before.

I want it to be bullshit.

but if it isn't, this is one of the most important domestic US stories all year.

Arch0wl 08-24-2018 12:11 AM

Re: VISA/Mastercard blocks payment to Horowitz Center because of SPLC
 
what I am suspecting happened is that the SPLC, or some group like this, bombed his organizations with deliberately fraudulent investigations to get VISA to investigate.

this is not much different than bombing videos with many fake reports to get algorithms to remove the content.

if that's true, we cannot keep accepting complaints at face value, and this whole system of "trust people's complaints first" is a glaring vulnerability that threatens the integrity of information as a whole.

roundbox 08-24-2018 12:17 AM

Re: VISA/Mastercard blocks payment to Horowitz Center because of SPLC
 
Are you gonna post in this thread after your opening posts or are you gonna abandon this like all of your CT threads

Arch0wl 08-24-2018 12:18 AM

Re: VISA/Mastercard blocks payment to Horowitz Center because of SPLC
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by roundbox (Post 4645546)
Are you gonna post in this thread after your opening posts or are you gonna abandon this like all of your CT threads

the lifetime of a thread is, ostensibly, months

not replying for a few hours is not "abandonment"

moreover, stay on topic. you know what you're doing.

roundbox 08-24-2018 12:18 AM

Re: VISA/Mastercard blocks payment to Horowitz Center because of SPLC
 
Nah

pokelda 08-24-2018 12:26 AM

Re: VISA/Mastercard blocks payment to Horowitz Center because of SPLC
 
maybe Horowitz freedom center got blocked because, you know, it's a hate group lol

Arch0wl 08-24-2018 12:30 AM

Re: VISA/Mastercard blocks payment to Horowitz Center because of SPLC
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by pokelda (Post 4645550)
maybe Horowitz freedom center got blocked because, you know, it's a hate group lol

that's... clearly the implication of why this is an issue. are you paying attention? at all?

it is possibly one of the worst precedents the american economy and american politics could set in the past decade for a group's commerce to be able to be blocked by credit card companies because of any sort of political label, nevermind anything as vague as "hate group."

in what universe do you not see your position as backward and completely wrong

pokelda 08-24-2018 01:00 AM

Re: VISA/Mastercard blocks payment to Horowitz Center because of SPLC
 
wow dang i didnt realize the act of letting a credit card company freely choose if they want to do business with a racist organization would be such a terrible precedent

Tps222 08-24-2018 01:03 AM

Re: VISA/Mastercard blocks payment to Horowitz Center because of SPLC
 
Visa and Mastercard are private companies who can decide to conduct or not conduct business with whomever they decide, end of story.

Arch0wl 08-24-2018 01:19 AM

Re: VISA/Mastercard blocks payment to Horowitz Center because of SPLC
 
it is difficult to compress the scope of how wrong both of you are into words that properly convey how false each and every thing you said was. it is mentally taxing to walk on the eggshells created by this rule system to convey the gravity of other people believing the non-thoughts both of you just typed, while also skirting the asinine rules that prevent me from "insulting" you because telling a person they are wrong on every axis of evaluation and every scope to which a thought can be conceived is "insulting", even though this is precisely how wrong you both are.

it's unbelievable that both of you even halfway buy what you're saying, and you've clearly not thought about it at all, as you both are parroting pseudo-libertarian mockery you undoubtedly repeat ad nauseam for any speech policy issue so that you don't have to think about the ramifications, or the policy, or what the words even mean.

it is illegal for credit card companies to discriminate in this way. this is why, up to this point, they have not.

what is most likely happening here is that the SPLC bombarded VISA with fraudulent transactions to flag the horowitz center.

either way, this is what you did
person: wow, this company is blowing up the moon
you: lol a private company can blow up the solar system if they want
how you post here with anything resembling an unguilty conscience is beyond me.

what both of you are thoughtlessly advocating is something that is already illegal, and far worse than what is actually going on, even though what is actually going on is one of the most concerning events to happen all year. it is not common, at all, for a credit card company to block people for speech. this is concerning period. you are wrong, whether or not you think so, for not making this a concern of yours. you are against the "right side of history" -- you cannot be on the right side of history if you are on the wrong side of reality. it doesn't matter what you feel. your feelings don't matter. you're wrong. you are not right. you are the opposite of correct. you are backward. you could have never existed and your opinions could have been adopted by an AI machine and run forever as the passing of time is extended indefinitely by simulation and they'd be wrong until the heat death of the universe, and even after that.

and here you are, typing happy-go-lucky shit with the bambi-esque tone of "this could never be redefined to work against me because I have all the right ideas!" as if you don't understand the concept of precedent, or principle, and you cannot think at all how any sort of thing like this could be abused due to whatever limits on imagination exist for you or your political sensibility.

mellonxcollie 08-24-2018 01:21 AM

Re: VISA/Mastercard blocks payment to Horowitz Center because of SPLC
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Arch0wl (Post 4645561)
it is difficult to compress the scope of how wrong both of you are into words that properly convey how false each and every thing you said was. it is mentally taxing to walk on the eggshells created by this rule system to convey the gravity of other people believing the non-thoughts both of you just typed, while also skirting the asinine rules that prevent me from "insulting" you because telling a person they are wrong on every axis of evaluation and every scope to which a thought can be conceived is "insulting", even though this is precisely how wrong you both are.

it's unbelievable that both of you even halfway buy what you're saying, and you've clearly not thought about it at all, as you both are parroting pseudo-libertarian mockery you undoubtedly repeat ad nauseam for any speech policy issue so that you don't have to think about the ramifications, or the policy, or what the words even mean.

it is illegal for credit card companies to discriminate in this way. this is why, up to this point, they have not.

what is most likely happening here is that the SPLC bombarded VISA with fraudulent transactions to flag the horowitz center.

either way, this is what you did
person: wow, this company is blowing up the moon
you: lol a private company can blow up the solar system if they want
how you post here with anything resembling an unguilty conscience is beyond me.

what both of you are thoughtlessly advocating is something that is already illegal, and far worse than what is actually going on, even though what is actually going on is one of the most concerning events to happen all year. it is not common, at all, for a credit card company to block people for speech. this is concerning period. you are wrong, whether or not you think so, for not making this a concern of yours. you are against the "right side of history" -- you cannot be on the right side of history if you are on the wrong side of reality. it doesn't matter what you feel. your feelings don't matter. you're wrong. you are not right. you are the opposite of correct. you are backward. you could have never existed and your opinions could have been adopted by an AI machine and run forever as the passing of time is extended indefinitely by simulation and they'd be wrong until the heat death of the universe, and even after that.

and here you are, typing happy-go-lucky shit with the bambi-esque tone of "this could never be redefined to work against me because I have all the right ideas!" as if you don't understand the concept of precedent, or principle, and you cannot think at all how any sort of thing like this could be abused due to whatever limits on imagination exist for you or your political sensibility.

lmao

Arch0wl 08-24-2018 01:29 AM

Re: VISA/Mastercard blocks payment to Horowitz Center because of SPLC
 
you have zero self-perspective and warped priorities, what else is new.

mellonxcollie 08-24-2018 01:32 AM

Re: VISA/Mastercard blocks payment to Horowitz Center because of SPLC
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Arch0wl (Post 4645563)
you have zero self-perspective and warped priorities, what else is new.

ok

Tps222 08-24-2018 01:39 AM

Re: VISA/Mastercard blocks payment to Horowitz Center because of SPLC
 
Business: We're currently doing a thing as we have the freedom to do so.

Majority of customer base that keeps business afloat: We don't like the thing you're currently doing and may take our business elsewhere as we have the freedom to do so.

Business: Hey, we like keeping the business of the majority of our customer base, we'll stop doing a thing

Minority: Our questionable morals aside, we will ignore the fact that illegal and legal is defined by the majority of society and bitch about not realizing that we're in the minority on this due to being blinded by some misguided since of principality and gross exaggeration.

Arch0wl 08-24-2018 01:40 AM

Re: VISA/Mastercard blocks payment to Horowitz Center because of SPLC
 
tps222

did you read my reply, whatsoever

even so much as the bold text

did you

yes or no question

Tps222 08-24-2018 01:42 AM

Re: VISA/Mastercard blocks payment to Horowitz Center because of SPLC
 
Yes, that's why I addressed the "illegality" argument as well as the absurd exaggeration part.

We have innocent kids being detained and sexually abused in immigration camps, but no, fucking David Horowitz's foundation being blocked by credit card companies is truly the worst thing to happen in America all year, because of the precedent, right? lmao get real.

Arch0wl 08-24-2018 01:53 AM

Re: VISA/Mastercard blocks payment to Horowitz Center because of SPLC
 
jesus christ you actually buy your own delusion.

you are the reason the "one death is a tragedy" quote even exists, because you are focusing on melodramatic news tragedies and refusing to see the larger picture. the idea of a precedent being used to chill political speech is something not-real to you. this should be immensely concerning to you but somehow it is not.

the precedent is immensely worse and has far more reverbertions than a few hundred people. this has nothing to do with the horowitz center, and for me to even need to clarify this means you have not put even the most token effort in understanding why this is important. independent of the center (<-- read) it sets a precedent for how commerce can be used applied to speech across the country, and sets the tone for political disagreements for years to come. yes, this matters more. actually. in-reality. really. profoundly more. you are wrong for thinking otherwise, and not just kind-of wrong, but the kind of wrong that gets put alongside lamarckian evolution and other "wow, I'm glad history never gave a shit about that" viewpoints.

mellonxcollie 08-24-2018 01:55 AM

Re: VISA/Mastercard blocks payment to Horowitz Center because of SPLC
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Arch0wl (Post 4645568)
the precedent is immensely worse and has far more reverbertions than a few hundred people. it sets a precedent for how commerce can be used applied to speech across the country, and sets the tone for political disagreements for years to come. yes, this matters more. actually. in-reality. really. profoundly more. you are wrong for thinking otherwise, and not just kind-of wrong, but the kind of wrong that gets put alongside lamarckian evolution and other "wow, I'm clearly glad history never gave a shit about that" viewpoints.

Lmao

Arch0wl 08-24-2018 02:09 AM

Re: VISA/Mastercard blocks payment to Horowitz Center because of SPLC
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Tps222 (Post 4645567)
We have innocent kids being detained and sexually abused in immigration camps

taken to its logical extreme you would shred a right to public education or constitutional rights or any other civil liberty of this kind to stop human trafficking or any other small-picture tragedy

what is so bothersome about this is not that it's wrong

it's that the wrongness is so easily gotten to if you would just think about it

this is the cognitive equivalent of watching a whole TV show because you're too lazy to pick up the remote

you are smart

how the fuck do you justify this crap yourself


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