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leetic 05-3-2020 01:57 PM

Re: TWG 194 - Game Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jessiebessie (Post 4729422)
This is a little harsh tbh, but I guess I deserve it for being MIA so much this game.

You can do more than just point to one post with no context and say "I think he's scum"

ShadoWolfe 05-3-2020 02:27 PM

Re: TWG 194 - Game Thread
 
Entertaining the idea of a nolynch tonight
Though it'd probably get hijacked last minute by a wolf 1vote wagon so I guess that kills that idea

ShadoWolfe 05-3-2020 02:29 PM

Re: TWG 194 - Game Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ShadoWolfe (Post 4729426)
Entertaining the idea of a nolynch tonight
Though it'd probably get hijacked last minute by a wolf 1vote wagon so I guess that kills that idea

Cause, you know, leaving game up to roleblocker(s?) is really all this game needs to be truly complete. The icing on the cake. The cherry on top of poor town plays

Hakulyte 05-3-2020 02:30 PM

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We officially have 9 VTs.

I'm assuming max T is 7T.
4 VTs are dead.
That means 3 VTs are real and 2 VTs are fake. (?)

Is it safe to assume we have exactly 2 wolves in VTs and 1 wolf in PRs ?

Hakulyte 05-3-2020 02:33 PM

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Maybe the setup is 6T and 3 VT claims are fake ?

Is there a trick to this ?

ShadoWolfe 05-3-2020 02:34 PM

Re: TWG 194 - Game Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hakulyte (Post 4729428)
We officially have 9 VTs.



I'm assuming max T is 7T.

4 VTs are dead.

That means 3 VTs are real and 2 VTs are fake. (?)



Is it safe to assume we have exactly 2 wolves in VTs and 1 wolf in PRs ?

Buddy,
That's not how that works

Those 7 letters just decide possible PRs in the setup. Everyone else is vanilla.

So 7 Ts doesn't mean 7 max VTs. It means 10 VTs, two wolves, and a serial killer

leetic 05-3-2020 02:36 PM

Re: TWG 194 - Game Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ShadoWolfe (Post 4729426)
Entertaining the idea of a nolynch tonight
Though it'd probably get hijacked last minute by a wolf 1vote wagon so I guess that kills that idea

Not a good idea. Wolves are only ever going to kill a townie we won't lynch anyway.

Hakulyte 05-3-2020 02:37 PM

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If B is 1 roleblocker and BBB is 2 roleblockers and Leetic/Xiz are pmuch confirmed real.

How in the world is there still scum reads in the PRs considering there's no trace of a SK ?

leetic 05-3-2020 02:37 PM

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The only benefit to a no lynch would be extra discussion time, but we run the risk that one of us won't be around the next day

Hakulyte 05-3-2020 02:37 PM

Re: TWG 194 - Game Thread
 
I would lynch in the VT pool every time here.

leetic 05-3-2020 02:38 PM

Re: TWG 194 - Game Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hakulyte (Post 4729433)
If B is 1 roleblocker and BBB is 2 roleblockers and Leetic/Xiz are pmuch confirmed real.

How in the world is there still scum reads in the PRs considering there's no trace of a SK ?

As the Role Cop hasn't flipped, we are uncertain of whether the setup is 4T or 2T, both of which are possibilities.

ShadoWolfe 05-3-2020 02:39 PM

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The conclusion isn't far off though. Two wolves among VTs and one in PRs is possible.

Either that or three in VTs.

Thinking there's two in PRs is probably pure tinfoil at this point and never actionable unless one flips and has like ungodly pair equity with another, which isn't true of any of the three claims rn

Hakulyte 05-3-2020 02:39 PM

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VT Pool being: Bolth/Haku/Jessie/ShadoWolfe/Duskfall

Hakulyte 05-3-2020 02:40 PM

Re: TWG 194 - Game Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by leetic (Post 4729436)
As the Role Cop hasn't flipped, we are uncertain of whether the setup is 4T or 2T, both of which are possibilities.

It doesn't matter because there's no SK in 4T and 2T.

leetic 05-3-2020 02:41 PM

Re: TWG 194 - Game Thread
 
MML and DBP are not wolves together. There being two wolves in the PR claims is simply impossible unless we have a very unlucky or incompetent SK.

ShadoWolfe 05-3-2020 02:41 PM

Re: TWG 194 - Game Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hakulyte (Post 4729439)
It doesn't matter because there's no SK in 4T and 2T.

What doesn't matter?

Hakulyte 05-3-2020 02:42 PM

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I'm saying this game doesn't have a SK

If this game doesn't have a SK, all the PRs are town.

leetic 05-3-2020 02:43 PM

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Wait, blockers can't target the same player twice in a row. So yeah, the scum team couldn't have been blocking the SK this whole time.

Hakulyte 05-3-2020 02:43 PM

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This is not 100% full proof, but I want to believe it over VCTTTTT

..because there's a SK in that !

leetic 05-3-2020 02:43 PM

Re: TWG 194 - Game Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hakulyte (Post 4729442)
I'm saying this game doesn't have a SK

If this game doesn't have a SK, all the PRs are town.

There's still a possibility that one of the blocker claims are scum, since 4T still has no SK

ShadoWolfe 05-3-2020 02:44 PM

Re: TWG 194 - Game Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by leetic (Post 4729440)
MML and DBP are not wolves together. There being two wolves in the PR claims is simply impossible unless we have a very unlucky or incompetent SK.

I agree with the first part and the 2nd part is always true from your perspective.

leetic 05-3-2020 02:47 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ShadoWolfe (Post 4729446)
I agree with the first part and the 2nd part is always true from your perspective.

What? If I'm not a PR, that throws the setup even more into chaos since then we have a SK no matter what. The only possibility that doesn't have an SK would be if it's 6T and me, DBP, and MML are all lying, but 6T has a team of only two and there is no reason for a townie to be lying at this point

leetic 05-3-2020 02:49 PM

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Basically, I am clear at this point.

Hakulyte 05-3-2020 02:49 PM

Re: TWG 194 - Game Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Makilaz (Post 4725954)
TTTTT = 1-Shot Role Cop + Godfather, Serial Killer (Conditional Extra Ability)
TTTT = 1-Shot Role Cop + Roleblocker + Godfather
TT = Role Cop + Roleblocker + Godfather

TTTTT = SK (VCTTTTT) I don't believe it's happening.
TTTT = No SK. (VCBTTTT) is believable.
TT = No SK. I (VCBBBTT) is believable.

This confirms 1 of the two roleblocker is real.
Yeah ok. I see why I could be wrong. derp.

I tend to town read the two because I keep pairing them together.

Hakulyte 05-3-2020 02:52 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ShadoWolfe (Post 4729446)
I agree with the first part and the 2nd part is always true from your perspective.

VBBBTTT or even VBTTTTT all lead to SKs tho.

It's fairly safe to town read leetic here at least ?

leetic 05-3-2020 02:54 PM

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Basically, I think that these worlds are so ridiculous that we shouldn't even be entertaining them, and we should focus on the VT claims.

Hakulyte 05-3-2020 03:00 PM

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I think I would vote Duskfall here every time and see how the roleblocks goes in the night mechanically speaking.

In the world where there's a wolf in the PRs, I don't understand why the wolves wouldn't simply roleblock and NK the other town roleblocker considering how they're the biggest threat alive in this game.

Hakulyte 05-3-2020 03:03 PM

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I know this is the simple and stupid conclusion, but if we ignore that and it was real then ugh.

leetic 05-3-2020 03:04 PM

Re: TWG 194 - Game Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hakulyte (Post 4729452)
I think I would vote Duskfall here every time and see how the roleblocks goes in the night mechanically speaking.

In the world where there's a wolf in the PRs, I don't understand why the wolves wouldn't simply roleblock and NK the other town roleblocker considering how they're the biggest threat alive in this game.

It's MyLo. If they get a mislynch, then they can roleblock and nightkill the town blocker and win the game.

Hakulyte 05-3-2020 03:06 PM

Re: TWG 194 - Game Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by leetic (Post 4729454)
It's MyLo. If they get a mislynch, then they can roleblock and nightkill the town blocker and win the game.

I mean, I'd take that over a random gut read in the VT pool.

Hakulyte 05-3-2020 03:08 PM

Re: TWG 194 - Game Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Duskfall (Post 4729404)
Update i am deciding between voting dbp or haku now, i was gonna vote haku last night but im shifting my thought process to dbp

If Duskfall is wrong then DBP is a wolf.

I can agree on that, but I have trouble to believe that all the soft stuff is fake.

So, it's more logical to me to assume DBP is real.

Hakulyte 05-3-2020 03:10 PM

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I'm definitely living in the Dusk/MML/X world if DBP is real and it's 1 PR/2 VTs.
Dusk/X/X if 3 VTs.

Hakulyte 05-3-2020 03:13 PM

Re: TWG 194 - Game Thread
 
MML + no kill is such a bullshit autowin thing for wolves.

Hakulyte 05-3-2020 03:15 PM

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I guess I'll just trust that DBP targeted a wolf regardless of no kill or not.

Hakulyte 05-3-2020 03:38 PM

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Why I have a feeling not every town player will even be here to fill the vote chain and wolves will instantly win.

Hakulyte 05-3-2020 03:43 PM

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Can we do this before there's like 5 minutes left in the phase ?

leetic 05-3-2020 03:53 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Hakulyte (Post 4729462)
Can we do this before there's like 5 minutes left in the phase ?

I'd only consider voting two hours before EoD. No earlier.

Keep in mind that we have five town vs. three scum. So only three townies need to vote the same person to prevent scum from controlling the lynch.

leetic 05-3-2020 03:54 PM

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Ties, I presume, will be handled by no lynch, correct?

leetic 05-3-2020 03:57 PM

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Also would it take 4 or 5 votes to insta?

Hakulyte 05-3-2020 03:59 PM

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5 is insta.
4 would be tie -> kitb.

Hakulyte 05-3-2020 04:00 PM

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Knife in the box being the host flipping a coin to decide.

Hakulyte 05-3-2020 04:50 PM

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@literally everyone

You guys are -all- okay with a Duskfall lynch ?

leetic 05-3-2020 04:53 PM

Re: TWG 194 - Game Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hakulyte (Post 4729471)
@literally everyone

You guys are -all- okay with a Duskfall lynch ?

I'm not entirely convinced

leetic 05-3-2020 04:58 PM

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Duskfall being scum predicates on DBP blocking him, where DBP is the blocker claim I trust less. It also requires one to trust Haku, which is not something I'm certain about either.

Duskfall 05-3-2020 05:03 PM

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greetings friends

Duskfall 05-3-2020 05:06 PM

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I am waiting for dbp to get on so i can talk to him a bit before i probably vote him

I have not had many confident reads this game and i think that is kind of clear

In the end I have realised that when in doubt, i should sheep someone wasn't in doubt so i will vote dbp based on mikey's word. Despite him playing terribly mechanically he was obviously convinced hard on dbp and right now i should probably trust mikey's 100 percent confidence amongst players he knows well, over my unsureness amongst players i don't know.

If people want to suspect me, don't vte me you will let the chance later in the day. Let me place the first vote.

leetic 05-3-2020 05:10 PM

Re: TWG 194 - Game Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Duskfall (Post 4729478)
I am waiting for dbp to get on so i can talk to him a bit before i probably vote him

I have not had many confident reads this game and i think that is kind of clear

In the end I have realised that when in doubt, i should sheep someone wasn't in doubt so i will vote dbp based on mikey's word. Despite him playing terribly mechanically he was obviously convinced hard on dbp and right now i should probably trust mikey's 100 percent confidence amongst players he knows well, over my unsureness amongst players i don't know.

If people want to suspect me, don't vte me you will let the chance later in the day. Let me place the first vote.

If DBP is real though, he can prevent us from losing the game even if we mislynch. Who do you think are DBP's partners? It would be safer to lynch from there.

leetic 05-3-2020 05:11 PM

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Also calculus final for me so I won't be as active in the next few hours, so don't let me down

Duskfall 05-3-2020 05:12 PM

Re: TWG 194 - Game Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by leetic (Post 4729479)
If DBP is real though, he can prevent us from losing the game even if we mislynch. Who do you think are DBP's partners? It would be safer to lynch from there.

If I had to pick a scum myself it would be haku, but they play just seems like the wishy washiest of all time I don't know if that is towny for them

MixMasterLar 05-3-2020 05:24 PM

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I literally don't know how to respond to Dusk's "anti town doesnt mean scum" horseshit like what the fuck

I've played with people all around the world and frankly your effort is pisspoor regardless of your timezone


Quote:

Originally Posted by ShadoWolfe (Post 4729426)
Entertaining the idea of a nolynch tonight
Though it'd probably get hijacked last minute by a wolf 1vote wagon so I guess that kills that idea

We shouldnt no lynch, but i believe you can actually vote "no lynch" and if that gets the most votes then it wins regardless if a wolf 1 votes something.

Quote:

Originally Posted by leetic (Post 4729465)
Ties, I presume, will be handled by no lynch, correct?

Random.org

Quote:

Originally Posted by Duskfall (Post 4729481)
If I had to pick a scum myself it would be haku, but they play just seems like the wishy washiest of all time I don't know if that is towny for them

So Haku is wolf but he's playing a horrible town game so it might be towny.

I was gonna say Jessie over Dusk but he's like trying his hardest to be my vote rn

MixMasterLar 05-3-2020 05:25 PM

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Haku back on that Lar is scum bullshit

Dear God i fucking wish I died in the night fuck this game

MixMasterLar 05-3-2020 05:27 PM

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Yeah I'm only voting between Dusk/Jessie. Mighy still be Jessie. Almost want to add Haku to the list but I think how he handles EoD can be telling of him

Hakulyte 05-3-2020 05:31 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by MixMasterLar (Post 4729483)
Haku back on that Lar is scum bullshit

Dear God i fucking wish I died in the night fuck this game

tbh I want to believe that every PRs are town and that DBP did the much needed play.

Even in that utopic world, it's still hard to solve everything.

If it's any more complex than that, town wasn't probably going to win anyway.

Hakulyte 05-3-2020 05:32 PM

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It's a ton easier for me to believe DBP than Dusk because DBP has some progression and Dusk is whatever you want him to be.

Hakulyte 05-3-2020 05:39 PM

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Well, I guess someone else should decide what's the vote.

Duskfall 05-3-2020 05:41 PM

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effort level does not effect alignment

I came into this game wanting to take it easy after playing a tryhard game, and I have taken it easy. I would do that regarldess of alignment, so you shouldn't try use effort to read me. Low effort comes from town and scum alike, it is not alignment dependent it is player dependent. Don't try read me, try read my alignment

Duskfall 05-3-2020 05:42 PM

Re: TWG 194 - Game Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by MixMasterLar (Post 4729482)
I literally don't know how to respond to Dusk's "anti town doesnt mean scum" horseshit like what the fuck

I've played with people all around the world and frankly your effort is pisspoor regardless of your timezone




We shouldnt no lynch, but i believe you can actually vote "no lynch" and if that gets the most votes then it wins regardless if a wolf 1 votes something.



Random.org



So Haku is wolf but he's playing a horrible town game so it might be towny.

I was gonna say Jessie over Dusk but he's like trying his hardest to be my vote rn

Where did i say he is playing a horrible town game please quote

Hakulyte 05-3-2020 05:45 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Duskfall (Post 4729491)
Where did i say he is playing a horrible town game please quote

I mean every time you say something and that someone try to interpret it, you just go like "it's not what I mean" and it's like we constantly fail to get anywhere.

I don't understand how you want us to read your alignment with how you post.

Duskfall 05-3-2020 05:46 PM

Re: TWG 194 - Game Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hakulyte (Post 4729492)
I mean every time you say something and that someone try to interpret it, you just go like "it's not what I mean" and it's like we constantly fail to get anywhere.

I don't understand how you want us to read your alignment with how you post.

It is really not my fault that people read something and don't take what i say literally, I think I have been pretty clear

Hakulyte 05-3-2020 05:46 PM

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I think you're unsolvable with that playstyle.

Duskfall 05-3-2020 05:47 PM

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There is a difference between me saying

"I didn't mean that"

and

"you literally pulled that out of your ass quote where i said this because its not true"

the first one is me being unclear, the second is someone else being unable to read properly

Duskfall 05-3-2020 05:48 PM

Re: TWG 194 - Game Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hakulyte (Post 4729494)
I think you're unsolvable with that playstyle.

You have been townreading me so that sounds like bs

Hakulyte 05-3-2020 05:50 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Duskfall (Post 4729496)
You have been townreading me so that sounds like bs

I've been town reading FFA and Xiz town reading you which is pmuch the same as trusting a black box.

Duskfall 05-3-2020 05:51 PM

Re: TWG 194 - Game Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hakulyte (Post 4729497)
I've been town reading FFA and Xiz town reading you which is pmuch the same as trusting a black box.

You townread me most of today

Duskfall 05-3-2020 05:53 PM

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Regardless no playstyle is unsolvable except idling, which i have not been doing if you can't read me that is on you, trying to look towny is scummy in itself and stupid play from town

Most of the dead town players found me correctly so I am readable, just because you can't read me doesn't mean it is impossible you just can't do it. Or, you are a wolf, that is option 2

Hakulyte 05-3-2020 05:54 PM

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Well, I'm not smart enough to lean you apparently.

MixMasterLar 05-3-2020 05:55 PM

Re: TWG 194 - Game Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Duskfall (Post 4729493)
It is really not my fault that people read something and don't take what i say literally, I think I have been pretty clear

Make a clear readlists then. Give me the info so i can read your alignment

Right now all i have is your effort to read you and its shoddy af man

Hakulyte 05-3-2020 06:02 PM

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EoD in a bit less than 1 hour. I don't see everyone. rip.

Hakulyte 05-3-2020 06:03 PM

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This game will probably end in a town loss due to not enough being here to vote.

Calling it.

We're already losing leetic here.

Hakulyte 05-3-2020 06:08 PM

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I suggest a yolo insta Jessie because too much complacency.

Bolth mannn 05-3-2020 06:10 PM

Re: TWG 194 - Game Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hakulyte (Post 4729504)
EoD in a bit less than 1 hour. I don't see everyone. rip.



Still 24 hours away

I still want to vote dusk but Iím fine with Jessie too. I think both are hits.

Duskfall 05-3-2020 06:12 PM

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OKAY HELLO HI I DONT HAVE CONFIDENT READS WHICH IS WHY I WANT TO SHEEP MIKEY BUT I WILL TRY MY BEST

-I think haku's wishy washiness is bad, they seemed to sheep the townread on me when i was consensus town in early days but not that it is apparent i could be mislycnhable they are building into lynching me, but still not really committing to a scumread. I get i can be tough to play with, but their progression on me feels super fake

-I think mml is probably town here, not really going into the claims for the read but outisde that i think his frustration is towny and I really think he is completely fucking up reading me (not my alignment but literally what I am saying). He has like very poor attention to detail and at this point in the game i feel like wolves just don't do that, misinterpreting me and the fact me and mml can't find each other at all, not even alignment wise but like what we are trying to say leans town to me. It feels like he is trying to scumhunt here but just doing it in the wrong place and ineffectively could be due to desperation, could be culture clash but i feel like this is town and if it isn't well fuck me.

-DBP in any scum idle world this is the scum, in any scum non idle world then haku was blocked last night fmpov, so dbp and haku are in a 1v1 in my head. I think mikey's push with the fake cop red was stupid yesterday, if he had of just actually pushed dbp maybe it could've been lynched. Aside from that why do I think he is scum? Tbh I don;t really have an inclination myself but in the past when I have been lost in a game and unsure, looking to dead town is where you find the answers. If I am not confident i should be listening to someone who is. Mikey was obviously 100 percent on this read so it is definitely something i am paying attention too.

-Bolth i brought up yesterday, he seems more interested in looking towny than solving the game and this perspective kind of slipped through, so i don't like that potnetial scum

-wolfe: town for kind of mindmelding with me a bit yesteryda but this is my least confident read, i agreed with them on bolth and they seemed excited when we mindmelded too? slight town lean but if they are scum then never with bolth

-jessie i have no read on i cant remember any of their posts really nothing was memorable which is obviously not great

-last person i am forgetting sorry whoever you are

Hakulyte 05-3-2020 06:12 PM

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I keep thinking phases got changed to 24 hours for some reason derp.

Hakulyte 05-3-2020 06:14 PM

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rip Bolth. Forever forgotten.

Duskfall 05-3-2020 06:15 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Hakulyte (Post 4729510)
rip Bolth. Forever forgotten.

he was not forgotten

Bolth mannn 05-3-2020 06:16 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Hakulyte (Post 4729510)
rip Bolth. Forever forgotten.



?????

Duskfall 05-3-2020 06:17 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Bolth mannn (Post 4729512)
?????

He thought i forgot you in my wallpost but he just hadn't read it

Hakulyte 05-3-2020 06:19 PM

Re: TWG 194 - Game Thread
 
Literally took me over 3 minutes to figure out the remaining one was leetic.

Time to call an appointment for adhd or something.

Duskfall 05-3-2020 06:25 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Hakulyte (Post 4729514)
Literally took me over 3 minutes to figure out the remaining one was leetic.

Time to call an appointment for adhd or something.

oh nice hes clear town perfect i townread him

MixMasterLar 05-3-2020 06:30 PM

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This was a mighty long time and a lot of bullshit just to get these reads man.

Your willingness to vote DBP puts us at odds


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