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choof 05-5-2021 09:58 AM

Re: TWGTurbo 32: The TWG Train Rolls All Night Long GAME THREAD
 
well now that charu's dead he can't confirm whether or not I picked up on what he picked up, but here are my thoughts

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Originally Posted by SubaruPoptart (Post 4760658)
Could you elaborate further on the bold part? I don't quite understand why anyone would be inclined to vote early on whatsoever. While I'm not one to usually inquire or pressure people on stuff I don't understand what the benefit of voting early on would do for town or wolves, aside from start a potential wagon for people to just jump on last-second.

this one seems like you got ruffled somehow, considering that the post that you're quoting wasn't directed at you initially
and then the bolded bit seems... weird? what's the point in saying this lol

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Originally Posted by SubaruPoptart (Post 4760662)
Also with the "on a game related subject" I don't really see how game relatedness is really role indicative at this point. While stuff is gonna go a lot quicker this round I'm still of the opinion D0 is 80% shitpost 20% crack reads unless someone REALLY slips up

and this follow up reads like you realized you may seem scummy for post 102

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Originally Posted by Charu (Post 4760663)
SubaruPoptart

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Originally Posted by choof (Post 4760664)
lmao

here's the first mind meld, assuming this was a mind meld to begin with

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Originally Posted by SubaruPoptart (Post 4760727)
I mean if I absolutely have to vote someone, I guess I'll just reciprocate the vote I got earlier. Charu

I considered it either a shitposty vote, or a "I have to place this on someone so I'll put it here" kinda vote, which is exactly what mine is right here.

and then here, this kinda reads like "ugh fine I guess I'll play the town game then but I don't want to"

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Originally Posted by choof (Post 4760729)
lol....

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Originally Posted by Charu (Post 4760731)
The honesty is much appreciated, dohoho.

second, or first, dunno really


tbqh you could be too wolfy to be a wolf too, but I'm less inclined to believe that than roundbox was when he said that about freezin (given that I have a slight town lean on freezin atm). there's also the charu kill which imo makes you look bad

but I'm about to head out to get vaccinated so I'll be unavailable for a few hours. will continue to think on this, hopefully we get more ppl in teh thread soon (raeko where u AT)

choof 05-5-2021 09:59 AM

Re: TWGTurbo 32: The TWG Train Rolls All Night Long GAME THREAD
 
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Originally Posted by SubaruPoptart (Post 4760881)
because I had zero reason TO vote anyone

tru why bother voting when you can just night kill people

FreezinIce 05-5-2021 10:04 AM

Re: TWGTurbo 32: The TWG Train Rolls All Night Long GAME THREAD
 
Even if you have no leads d0 Subaru u need to vote for people. Your vote will give info for wagon analysis and possibly cause other votes to move which could reveal information the next day, and thats the absolute worst case scenario i can think of which should tell u how valuable even a "wasted" vote really is if its town sided.

99% of the time not voting is bad unless special game mechanics are involved

SubaruPoptart 05-5-2021 10:04 AM

Re: TWGTurbo 32: The TWG Train Rolls All Night Long GAME THREAD
 
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Originally Posted by choof (Post 4760882)
tbqh you could be too wolfy to be a wolf too, but I'm less inclined to believe that than roundbox was when he said that about freezin (given that I have a slight town lean on freezin atm). there's also the charu kill which imo makes you look bad

but I'm about to head out to get vaccinated so I'll be unavailable for a few hours. will continue to think on this, hopefully we get more ppl in teh thread soon (raeko where u AT)

With the charu kill, has it happened that wolves do one thing to try to frame a town? Cuz honestly I think that's what's happening here. With Xel being gone and a confirmed wolf, why would I kill Charu, who had only one vote, with it being me. On top of that, the person who'd voted for me since like the very beginning. I realize now that it was a serious vote, instead of a kinda "banter" vote like I'd thought it was initially.

And with the Charu vote like I said, I did it because I didn't have anyone who was particularly wolfy to me, including Charu. I just placed a vote on him because at the time my thought process was: A.) He'd voted for me already, so why not reciprocate. B.) I was told that I had to vote, and that abstaining was a bad idea, so place a vote on someone who had no risk of getting voted out.

SubaruPoptart 05-5-2021 10:06 AM

Re: TWGTurbo 32: The TWG Train Rolls All Night Long GAME THREAD
 
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Originally Posted by SubaruPoptart (Post 4760885)
. With Xel being gone and a confirmed wolf, why would I kill Charu, who had only one vote, with it being me. On top of that, the person who'd voted for me since like the very beginning. I realize now that it was a serious vote, instead of a kinda "banter" vote like I'd thought it was initially.

I don't see why I'd do this as the only wolf left, since that would 9000% incriminate me and only me. If I were the wolf I would have shot somewhere outside myself, which is what I'd imagine literally anyone else in this situation would have done.

FreezinIce 05-5-2021 10:10 AM

Re: TWGTurbo 32: The TWG Train Rolls All Night Long GAME THREAD
 
Tbh i think you're just wolfing here subaru.

You have a unnatural fixation on how you votes and posts will be seen by others that is really wolfy imo especially the 3rd post from subaru that choof quoted in his big post.

Though i hope youll take my advice in mind next time you play if you roll town.

speaking personally i think charu is a kill you would make in this situation, its a very basic "take the heat off me / yolo seer shot" kill that ignores the fact that xels wagon should have been targeted. Aka the kind of kill id expect someone in your position to make

So yeah subaru

FreezinIce 05-5-2021 10:11 AM

Re: TWGTurbo 32: The TWG Train Rolls All Night Long GAME THREAD
 
The charu vote i have little problem with, its the posturing that is happening around it that is making me raise my eyebrow

FreezinIce 05-5-2021 10:13 AM

Re: TWGTurbo 32: The TWG Train Rolls All Night Long GAME THREAD
 
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Originally Posted by SubaruPoptart (Post 4760886)
I don't see why I'd do this as the only wolf left, since that would 9000% incriminate me and only me. If I were the wolf I would have shot somewhere outside myself, which is what I'd imagine literally anyone else in this situation would have done.

I think this is something you can easily say now that 2 different people pointed it out today, but you were probably not thinking last night when u made that kill

SubaruPoptart 05-5-2021 10:15 AM

Re: TWGTurbo 32: The TWG Train Rolls All Night Long GAME THREAD
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by FreezinIce (Post 4760887)
Tbh i think you're just wolfing here subaru.

You have a unnatural fixation on how you votes and posts will be seen by others that is really wolfy imo especially the 3rd post from subaru that choof quoted in his big post.

Though i hope youll take my advice in mind next time you play if you roll town.

speaking personally i think charu is a kill you would make in this situation, its a very basic "take the heat off me / yolo seer shot" kill that ignores the fact that xels wagon should have been targeted. Aka the kind of kill id expect someone in your position to make

So yeah subaru

:\ I've always had a fixation on how my votes will be seen, is the issue here. I'm definitely gonna be taking the advice this phase, but I really don't see how killing one of two people voting me when there was a whole wagon to shoot would take the heat off me whatsoever. It's only brought the heat to me.

FreezinIce 05-5-2021 10:25 AM

Re: TWGTurbo 32: The TWG Train Rolls All Night Long GAME THREAD
 
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Originally Posted by SubaruPoptart (Post 4760890)
:\ I've always had a fixation on how my votes will be seen, is the issue here. I'm definitely gonna be taking the advice this phase, but I really don't see how killing one of two people voting me when there was a whole wagon to shoot would take the heat off me whatsoever. It's only brought the heat to me.

Well if you want to really take the heat off youll have to put in some work and find someone who deserves the axe more than you.

FreezinIce 05-5-2021 10:31 AM

Re: TWGTurbo 32: The TWG Train Rolls All Night Long GAME THREAD
 
If you do due dilligence and make a compelling case against someone i will switch my vote, i do have an open mind and a few more suspects.

If you coast for the rest of the day or just defend yourself then my vote isnt moving. Thats where im at

FreezinIce 05-5-2021 10:32 AM

Re: TWGTurbo 32: The TWG Train Rolls All Night Long GAME THREAD
 
Unless i go to sleep and wake up and have a brilliant deduction.

On that note im going to sleep. See ya in around 6 hours or so

mellon_collie 05-5-2021 11:27 AM

Re: TWGTurbo 32: The TWG Train Rolls All Night Long GAME THREAD
 
Hi hi

ok so my eod/vote wasn't great, that's 100% on me, don't really have any other explanation than what I already said. I was busy with IRL stuff and kept running back to my PC to check TWG and just wanted to get a vote out that wasn't a meme vote from earlier

Also can I just say how much I HATE these phase start and end times

mellon_collie 05-5-2021 11:29 AM

Re: TWGTurbo 32: The TWG Train Rolls All Night Long GAME THREAD
 
I'm liking Freezi here, I don't necessarily agree with his conclusion about Subaru but I like his soft clears of star and sunfan and just think his head space seems towny

but then again, if choof is also picking up on wolfiness from Subaru maybe I am just missing something

also hi choof

star-crossed 05-5-2021 12:03 PM

Re: TWGTurbo 32: The TWG Train Rolls All Night Long GAME THREAD
 
Hey good morning. Can I just say, every time I think about end of day yesterday, I cannot stop laughing? I do not think I have ever hanged a wolf I was not even wolf reading before. sun fan, even though you changed your vote, I do not forgive you for almost getting me killed with 8 minutes left at the end of the day. You are on my personal shitlist. Hahah.

SubaruPoptart 05-5-2021 12:09 PM

Re: TWGTurbo 32: The TWG Train Rolls All Night Long GAME THREAD
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by choof (Post 4760760)
volunteering to be the one that kills me during the night... damn son looks like we got a wolf on lock.......

So wait was this the convo that star was talking about when they voted me last phase? Cuz I really don't get what was significant about it for them to do so

star-crossed 05-5-2021 12:15 PM

Re: TWGTurbo 32: The TWG Train Rolls All Night Long GAME THREAD
 
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Originally Posted by SubaruPoptart (Post 4760901)
So wait was this the convo that star was talking about when they voted me last phase? Cuz I really don't get what was significant about it for them to do so

No it wasn't. I don't really think it's the most significant thing to read you from now that more has happened anyways, but I will find some time later to answer your question since I can tell it is perplexing you.

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Originally Posted by FreezinIce (Post 4760843)
Rip the berd

He memed too close to the sun

Indeed, RIP. I think it must be an attempted role kill, because Charu was even defending Xel at the last minute and trying to encourage a different wagon.

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Originally Posted by FreezinIce (Post 4760846)
Charu kill seems like a role read gone horribly wrong

The last wolf shouldve have attacked xels wagon cause imo clearing people on it was the obvious thing to do

I guess the counter-argument is that the seer creates more clears, and a bold play helps with the deficit the remaining wolf is in.

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Originally Posted by choof (Post 4760810)
don't worry xelly boi you get a pass now

I am just curious, what did you mean by this? It seems random compared to your previous post about him.

choof 05-5-2021 12:24 PM

Re: TWGTurbo 32: The TWG Train Rolls All Night Long GAME THREAD
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by star-crossed (Post 4760902)
I am just curious, what did you mean by this? It seems random compared to your previous post about him.

I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt for a brief moment due to raeko being weirdo and kinda his response to me telling him he had 15 minutes left
which yes was edgy but in that moment felt like angy town

star-crossed 05-5-2021 12:34 PM

Re: TWGTurbo 32: The TWG Train Rolls All Night Long GAME THREAD
 
Votes at Half 6 server time
Charu (02)- mellonxcollie, SubaruPoptart
XelNya (01)- FreezinIce
SubaruPoptart (01)- Charu
mellonxcollie (01)- star-crossed
thesunfan (01)- Roundbox

Something I remember thinking at the time, is that in all my TWG career this is the day end where I had the least idea of who was going to die. And I hoped that that ended up being a bad thing for the wolves. In hindsight, I guess it was. Anyway:

Some people are still memeing, and roundbox is trying to pressure sun fan, which choof is discussing with him.
Xel shows up at 6:40.
choof votes Xel and implies the other options are Subaru, Charu, Raeko. Puts Subaru and Xel in KITB 2-2.
I join Charu on Subaru.
choof unvotes upon seeing Xel, 6:45.
sun fan says "high confidence" that I am a wolf and votes me at :52.
roundbox jokes that Xel can be on his "drop list" too, due to a joke Xel made around this time.
Charu wants a vote count. Some people are trying to figure out why sun fan actually thinks I am wolfing.
raeko joins in on :56, putting me in KITB with Subaru.
Charu says he thinks Xel and I are both town.
sun fan says he is spooked by raeko agreeing with him.
roundbox has still been grilling sun fan and is confused by me being voted.
raeko basically says a bad vibe on me is the only thing she has had all game and also she is dealing with her dog.
:58 sun fan says he might kill Xel.

Last 2 minutes

Vote Count:
star-crossed (02) thesunfan, mellonxcollie
SubaruPoptart (02)- Charu, star-crossed
Charu (01)- SubaruPoptart
XelNya (01)- FreezinIce
thesunfan (01)- Roundbox

:59 Xel votes me for self pres, putting me at 3 votes, subaru at 2, while Xel is still on 1.
And then sun fan and I both vote Xel. sun fan's put Xel in KITB with Subaru, and I put Xel above Subaru.
roundbox quotes sun fan's vote switch just to say "I like my vote."
:59 choof votes Subaru.
(Subaru and Freezin are afk this entire time.)

roundbox 05-5-2021 12:42 PM

Re: TWGTurbo 32: The TWG Train Rolls All Night Long GAME THREAD
 
Too much talk about the reason behind Charu's death, I think
I swear that I post about night kill theories being too wishy-washy and therefore not worth sharing almost every game

I thought I had sunfan, but lol no
His vote looks good given his swapping between Cel and Star at the end. While I felt like his vote on xel was bad initially, swapping to it at the end there is not a wolfy sunfan move. I just don't see it.
A little of the same with freezin. Freezin could have made a major miscalculation with placing his vote if Xel is his partner, but who the fuck goes to sleep like that after admitting it?
Too stupid to be wolfy? Too violent of a bus to make sense? Neither impossible, but neither probable. Reevaluate f3 along with sunfan if needed.
Star acted in self pres, so that vote is unreadable. They had that vote on raeko beforehand, but that's about it.


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