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Welp, I thought duskfall knew it and pretended to not know because claiming mafia was already silly in the first place.

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I guess that's a possibility too

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leetic, if you want to talk statistics, I see a 40% chance of dbp being wolf minimum
I realize you have different statistics than me but even if me/dusk/x is the wolf team that's still higher odds for dbp to be wolf than for the setup to be CCCxxxx by any measure lol
basing anything off of statistics is pretty stupid because of how badly it can be minced and mangled

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Looking forward to "I rescind my claim" and "TWG Chaos".

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I still want a mass claim to help solve FFA / DBP because I think I will manage to be wrong on this.

If you think you know 100% it's FFA or DBP, please be my guest.

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Aaaaaaaahahaha17wusjw8wuwuwus8iwiwiwiwuw DBP FUCK

Well i guess if DBP pocketed me hard it was the easiest damn pocket because all he had to do was point out how fucking silly everyone sounded.

I'll stand by, in post game, that Xiz losing his cool and claiming at pressure from Haku really just dicked everyone over.

But i reas thread and I have reasons to believe FFA might be the truthful one here as satisfying as it would be to have him wolf. But hey, DBP flips anything not red you're getting insta-lynched with extreme prejudice fucker


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Duskfall looks a little better for nor wanting massclaim
Bolth and Jessie need to play the game


He does this and and i will make 5 posts voting him with various spellings of his name and then AFK

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They cant be same team so one exposes the other

Protocol is you follow uncountered PR first

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I'll think about it

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Not even a funny meme

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Problem is that counter doesn't work in this setup.

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it's a little funny

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I'm seriously going to need someone to sit down with me post game as to why mass claim didn't happen here.

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it's because xiz died and I have a red check

if one of the two are untrue we can massclaim today

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But if you don't even have a counter it's probably legit

I mean if there are roles that can't exist with the known setup then that person should claim but afaik it's still pretty open

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I want a higher confirmation that your red check is real.

I don't want to deal with "oh, if it's wrong, we're going to lynch FFA next phase blabla".

The damage will already be done by that point.

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Sorry for dropping off the map guys, I had a rough day yesterday and I checked in before I went to sleep and everything was too complicated so I decided to wait until this morning to wake up and catch up on everything with a clear head.

I think we obviously lynch nowhere except DBP or FFA today. I've never played a game before where the setup is unknown so its hard for me to entertain the idea that FFA could be lying, so regardless of the point that Leetic is making about the odds being incredibly unlikely, I have no reason to disbelieve the claim and dbp is almost certainly where my vote is going to end up. If dbp flips green or if ffa comes out with a rescind, my vote is going on ffa no matter fucking what.

Now, im super happy to report that dusk has finally come out with some reads. I'm low key pissed that he is calling my play bad for calling him out specifically when he comes in with this bullshit:

and I still think this is the worst reason to scumread someone ever:

Someone mentioned earlier that I've been AtE quite a bit and I'm truly sorry, it's not my intention to do that but it's easy for me to get frustrated because if you look back over my games since I started playing a few months back, I have died first night EVERY SINGLE TIME except for once when I was wolfing and the only thing I did different that game was try to look towny. I'm still playing around with metas, trying to figure out what works for me, so maybe my playstyle seems erratic and thats why I get mislynched or NKd so early so often, but yes, I am trying and making a conscious effort to look towny cause I actually want to play this game and make it through to the later stages and actually help solve the game for once. I'm sure I'm not alone when I say that I vote for people that don't seem towny, and I truly believe everyone tries to look towny, even if it is subconscious.


This read is pretty much nothing

No actual reads, just PoE.

Whoops, I guess he still hasn't posted reads.

Wolf team: DBP, Dusk, Shadow - Locking it in.

Outting every wolf in the process, no?

Still townreading Haku for the most part and probably wouldn't question this unless MML flipped red.

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holy shit i missed a lot. I haven't read anything from the end of the last phase or since the new phase started so please bear with me while I catch up. (but yay moving out went well and the roadtrip has been good so far!)

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Town will probably wifom to death over it even if true tbh.

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Well, looking forward to..

Honestly, you could probably say anything and I'd be happy.

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@Bolth

Just for fun, do you have town reads ?

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Not me
I gotta have a readslist

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I'm townreading you

I was townreading FFA before his cop claim, which would have normally locked it in for me, but it honestly feels like twgchaos play 2.0 and I don't really know how to feel about that, especially since I can't think of anything I can do today to solve him other than believing him.

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Everyone else is null - scum lean

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It's concerning me a bit that I'm considered the purest town player here.

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why, are you not?

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Nah, it's more like how I easily get my town reads compared to others.

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This isn't necessarily a comparable situation, since from my perspective everyone else has the same statistical chance of being a wolf but your claim only applies to your slot.

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Let's say I take this MML post.

I look at it.

I'm like; is this MML actually being upset that DBP might have been pocketing him or he's simply together with DBP and he knows that this situation will put him in danger ?

Does this story make sense ?

Are we going to realize that DBP was real and FFA was fake ?

etc. etc.

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Also, my maths might be wonky but I think we're 1 off insta on dbp again

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Well, that's probably on purpose.

insta is 5.

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Imagine how weird this game is if wolf team was leetic/MML/FFA.

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Let's work under the assumption that Xiz was blocked by a wolf blocker (it's still possible that he was blocked by a town blocker, but until someone claims I'll just leave that be). If the wolves thought Xiz was definitely going to shoot town, then there would be no real reason to block Xiz. That means that, most likely, someone thought there might be a chance, however small, that someone on the wolf team would go down. Let's look through Xiz's ISO towards the end of D1 to see if we have any leads:

He was focusing quite a bit on "Ult" (from context, I believe this is referring to MML). Thus, MML is the one who would have had the most reason to roleblock Xiz as a wolf. This is something to consider.

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Since DBP was twice to near insta but wasn't hammered immediately, that reflects poorly on that slot's odds of being town. Well, either that, or the other mafia is jessiebessie, which is also a huge possibility

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If FFA turns out to be lying this is the team that would make the most sense to me.

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Is this assuming scum would immediately hammer?

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If anything, I think that makes DBP look good because wolves are likely to vote the town player here.

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I stopped thinking here because I can totally see a town blocker block Xiz.

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I don't think wolves hammering the slot if it's town is out of the question, because then it basically locks town into lynching me the next day because lolffr

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So, is DBP/MML/jessiebessie a valid scumteam? DBP and Ulle/Shado did have a few posts that made them feel unaligned (such as DBP misgendering Ulle and interjecting on Ulle's behalf in a way that looks w/t) even if the evidence for a jessie/Shadow pairing is strong. DBP (and MML, I believe) both said we should be lynching inactive, so the fact that jessie didn't pick up any serious traction as a lynch option in the last two days looks weird on them. MML was also one of the people who avoided voting for DBP the first time he got near insta, so there's that too. I'll look through MML's ISO but this does seem like it has a decent chance to be our team.

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Why are you considering wolves hammering a town slot as a possibility if you've hardclaimed a red check?

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I'm not lol

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you said it wasnt out of the question

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If a town blocker exists it would definitely resolve some of the uncertainty here (as it would allow Mikey's claim to be true without there being an SK).

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I've been thinking about this and wondering how dependable of a tell it is
because I think uli's interactions wrt lynching xiz are pretty wolfy, and shado was pretty inconsistent on thread entry
it would be cool if it clears the slot but my gut wants to ignore that because they have partner equity otherwise imo

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I find it silly that you guys keep votes at L-1.

Jessie didn't even get to post.

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jessiebessie just for the niche situation that jessie is scum and DPB isn't so that jessie would be prevented from hammering.

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unvote i didnt mean to put him near insta
Even if he's wolf and a town not paying intention hammers thats antitown because we lose time to solve

Fucking ew

....although i do like this point

If this is the case I think roleblocker stays hidden and doesnt claim, since we're probably following FFA anyway

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I'll go back on DBP if MML is gonna leave

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I mean, if I have to spell it out

we're discussing hypotheticals
I'm dismissing the hypotheticals where I'm a wolf because the only reason people iwould entertain those is because they're bad
so, I'm real or I'm fake, and if I'm fake wolves can hammer dbp and blame it on me the next day=instant loss because ffr historically doesn't know how to identify fps and actively discourages it via policy lynch (which I'm well aware of)
this is a reasonable enough play that it isn't out of question for wolves to hammer if dbp is town
so the logic that "the check is real otherwise wolves would have hammered" holds some merit

does that make sense

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Meant to also quote this


You not only fit the bill of not being present d0 and you ignored questions and prods blantedly that I chose you over Jessie, exactly in the manner that i explained to Xiz that phase. Your game isn't hotn buddy, but your claim is solid and you're picking up.

And d2 it just needed to be Xiz for reasons stated over and over

I fully entered the day with the intention of lynching beyween bolth, jessie and Dusk until I saw FFA's nonsense, and now we have a redcheck on DBP hardclaimed. So why on earth would I turn around and vote Jessie here?

I am always for voting inactives when you dont have a lead. You normally don't on D0 and its a proven winning stratn but neither DBP nor me said that you mindlessly fucking look at the post numbers and lynch bottom up as you like to pretend is the argument.

At this point I'm convinced you just skimmed most of DBP's and mine D0 and dont actually lnow what youre talking about

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I don't know, why don't you ask yourself

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I'm 100% sure this was before the redcheck, asshole

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i THINK this is the first time you've mentioned Dusk being on your chopping block, can you please expand on this?

As far as I could tell, I was the only person being suspicious of Dusk, which is why I was getting so stupid about it lol

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Literally two posts before the one I quoted

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He was being too low impact. I know he outposts you by like 3 times but it still reekes of coasting

He's been better this phase though

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The redcheck before the hardclaim not ths true redcheck

Otherwise why you voting the seer there?

Like you aware your argument looks stupid right?

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Leetic strawmanning me because he doesn't want to actually address my response to him.

"Oh is that logic on why Lar didnt vote Jessie shit man what else can i keep him busy with instead of acknowledging the fact"

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You're the one who made a big deal about not voting for jessie, not me. Plus, notice how your progression changed

This was your response to how I said you've avoided pushing a lynch jessie. Now I'll take your argument at your word that in this post, you were only referring to Mikey's hardclaim. Okay, but that then still leaves a hole in between D2 and the hardcheck, where you were apparently okay with lynching jessie - except that part is nowhere in this post, and based on the post it suggests that it is totally logical that you did not go after jessie, which is a lie. Sure, you mentioned that "I fully entered the day with the intention of lynching beyween bolth, jessie and Dusk" but this is dishonest because it suggests that you treated jessie the same as the other two, which was not the case. Overall, your progression just looks fake and it seems more like you are moving the goalposts.

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In fact, you voted jessie after I made this post. That is not "fully enter[ing] the day with the intention of lynching beyween bolth, jessie and Dusk"

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I did park a vote on Jessie
Which, i mean if you thank that is so significant of an event why are you accusing me of the exact opposite and claiming i didnt push Jessie? You want me to admit it was more me trying to gey her to post then me trying to get her lynched first half of the phase? Fucking duh

But this accusation of me not having real progression is contradictory to your initial post that I responded to where you think its weird I didnt push her

It's either just a park that is no longer happening, and youre question me on why i moved it or its this big deal that I'm trying to hide which makes no sense and makes your initial read on my votes lool stupid since from your point of veiw i did push Jessie

Frankly you are the one goalpost moving. Can't even remember what your complaint was

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"Lar you didnt push Jessie

But wait! That response is bad because you totally pushed Jessie

Next you'll say you where totally just pretending to be retarded right?

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That's the thing. That's not something you had to lie about. The fact that you were misleading to make yourself look better and me look worse makes you look suspicious.

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I didnt lie?

Point to the lie

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Actually wait if the complaint was I had no pressure theb how is not bringing it up making me look better even

No matter how i view you're just winging shit now

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Alright well I was gonna try to do this without claiming but fuck you guys for putting me at L-1 AGAIN

I'm hard claiming roleblocker. Night 1 I sheathed, last night I roleblocked FFA. He is 100% full of shit, please lynch this asshole

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Didn't roleblock Xiz?

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I think DBP hard claimed scum

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No, I didn't

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If you're town, why not?

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He's not a goddamned cop, he literally cannot have even performed an action last night unless I ALSO got blocked, but even beyond that he's fucking lying about me being red

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What are your thoughts on jessie?

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Also, who do you think would be the most likely partners for Mikey?

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1-shot or full ?

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mechanically it would have been a bad choice to block Xiz then

it was better to let it play out instead of potentially fucking over a town vigi even if he was scummy. A wolf team would never let Xiz shoot that night anyway because of all the attention so blocking him would do nothing if he was wolf. So it was net negative to target him.

but then the next day he claimed he was ACTUALLY roleblocked which made him mega scum for me since I knew I didn't actually touch him and he was probably lying about being a PR at all

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full

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.....i

I just realized how much of a fucking spaz I am

I hardclaim roleblocker

I blocked FFA and Bolth, but didn't act on FFA d2 because i figured Xiz was lying and i mighta been wolf blocked. This phase i totally forgot that FFA would have gotten "no results" on his check on me and couldnt claim i waa town, I kinda forgot i chose him over leetic if I am being honest

I mighta just thrown the game

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I shoulda have known FFA couldnt have checked me
I completely forgot i did that

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jesus fuck dude. please lynch FFA

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If both DBP and MML are telling the truth, setup is CVBBB and likely TT. That setup has no SK for what it's worth

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Fuck the game is lost

Guess Xiz is getting that apology