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Xiz 08-22-2018 03:25 PM

Re: TWG CLXXX - OuO what's this? [Game Thread]
 
[quote=YoshL;4643762]

Quote:

Originally Posted by YoshL (Post 4642882)
Votes from post 5 to post 1208
It is night

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Votes from post 1214 to post 1854
It is night

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votes

Xiz 08-22-2018 03:27 PM

Re: TWG CLXXX - OuO what's this? [Game Thread]
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by YoshL (Post 4642882)
Votes from post 5 to post 1208
It is night

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Votes from post 1214 to post 1854
It is night

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If sunfan is clear here which is most likely real

Xiz 08-22-2018 03:32 PM

Re: TWG CLXXX - OuO what's this? [Game Thread]
 
Freezin/Funny would make sense here for me, third being somewhere probably in that afk's like TPS

if the wagons are actually clean, i think prec and cel would be looked at next? but i still think theres gotta be one on the grad/sunfan wagons d1

Xiz 08-22-2018 03:32 PM

Re: TWG CLXXX - OuO what's this? [Game Thread]
 
also im proud of myself that those two vote posts were toppaged

Celirra 08-22-2018 03:34 PM

Re: TWG CLXXX - OuO what's this? [Game Thread]
 
Woah woah woah now why are you drinking sunfan's kool aid?

Xiz 08-22-2018 03:35 PM

Re: TWG CLXXX - OuO what's this? [Game Thread]
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Celirra (Post 4644347)
Woah woah woah now why are you drinking sunfan's kool aid?

huh

Celirra 08-22-2018 03:39 PM

Re: TWG CLXXX - OuO what's this? [Game Thread]
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Xiz (Post 4644343)
If sunfan is clear here which is most likely real

????

Celirra 08-22-2018 03:40 PM

Re: TWG CLXXX - OuO what's this? [Game Thread]
 
There arent enough z's in the alphabet

Xiz 08-22-2018 03:43 PM

Re: TWG CLXXX - OuO what's this? [Game Thread]
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Celirra (Post 4644350)
????

the check from dbp on sunfan? i buy it?

Xiz 08-22-2018 03:43 PM

Re: TWG CLXXX - OuO what's this? [Game Thread]
 
also i'd like you to answer about the convenience thing cel please don't ignore that

Celirra 08-22-2018 03:50 PM

Re: TWG CLXXX - OuO what's this? [Game Thread]
 
Why do you buy it???

Celirra 08-22-2018 03:51 PM

Re: TWG CLXXX - OuO what's this? [Game Thread]
 
also the convenient was 90% shooting the shit and a callback
10% is me seeing a lot of convenience with you at times xiz but its nai either way

Xiz 08-22-2018 03:53 PM

Re: TWG CLXXX - OuO what's this? [Game Thread]
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Celirra (Post 4644354)
Why do you buy it???

im really confused cel, what are you getting at

Xiz 08-22-2018 03:55 PM

Re: TWG CLXXX - OuO what's this? [Game Thread]
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Celirra (Post 4644355)
also the convenient was 90% shooting the shit and a callback
10% is me seeing a lot of convenience with you at times xiz but its nai either way

if you must know i wanted to take a shower so i can get my hair from blue to silver again. I woke up just a bit ago from the Rodrigo and Gabriella concert at red rocks yesterday (which was cold and rainy and annoying) which i got back at like, midnight or something and went right to bed.

blindreper1179 08-22-2018 03:55 PM

Re: TWG CLXXX - OuO what's this? [Game Thread]
 
Funny looks dirty with those votes now that we know dbp is town.

the sun fan 08-22-2018 03:56 PM

Re: TWG CLXXX - OuO what's this? [Game Thread]
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Xiz (Post 4644335)
not really. I remember sunfan made a post being like 'stop that' to dbp's soft so now that i think about it, i think that might have been a bigger soft over anything that the wolves picked up on. not sure who would pick that out though.

also sorry if my eod seemed like shit, i just really wanted funny dead lol

If this is the case then I deserve 100% of the flametino that dbp is hitting m e with from deadchat

Celirra 08-22-2018 03:58 PM

Re: TWG CLXXX - OuO what's this? [Game Thread]
 
xiz/sunfan w/w?

Celirra 08-22-2018 03:58 PM

Re: TWG CLXXX - OuO what's this? [Game Thread]
 
is xiz/sunfan/ind team possible

Xiz 08-22-2018 03:59 PM

Re: TWG CLXXX - OuO what's this? [Game Thread]
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Celirra (Post 4644362)
xiz/sunfan w/w?

can you explain or answer my question

Celirra 08-22-2018 04:09 PM

Re: TWG CLXXX - OuO what's this? [Game Thread]
 
you asked what I'm getting at
that's what I was getting at ultimately
the question there is where freezin fits into everything

I don't buy the soft stuff
you do
we're an an impasse

Celirra 08-22-2018 04:09 PM

Re: TWG CLXXX - OuO what's this? [Game Thread]
 
when I say soft stuff, I mean his alleged softing that he checked sunfan and saw no gun or whatever

FreezinIce 08-22-2018 04:12 PM

Re: TWG CLXXX - OuO what's this? [Game Thread]
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Celirra (Post 4644366)
when I say soft stuff, I mean his alleged softing that he checked sunfan and saw no gun or whatever

Tbh it's not about what you believe and nobody should really care about that.

It's about what is likely to have happened.

And dbp has a long history of softing his role and checks.

This is not an opinion, it's a fact. And it's why I'm inclined to believe sunfan

the sun fan 08-22-2018 04:13 PM

Re: TWG CLXXX - OuO what's this? [Game Thread]
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Celirra (Post 4644363)
is xiz/sunfan/ind team possible

I mean I'm probably going to lynch one of those two fuckers today so
maybe shelf this in a bit

Xiz 08-22-2018 04:14 PM

Re: TWG CLXXX - OuO what's this? [Game Thread]
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Celirra (Post 4644365)
you asked what I'm getting at
that's what I was getting at ultimately
the question there is where freezin fits into everything

I don't buy the soft stuff
you do
we're an an impasse

where freezin fits into everything how, like as a wolf or town? I said for freezin he could be a wolf if the d1 wagon was dirty.

Also, i don't mind if you disagree, but can you find any other dbp posts that say otherwise? and if not, why do you think that those two posts by dbp (about the sunfan check) and then i guess the white album stuff that sunfan hinted on are not softs?

Celirra 08-22-2018 04:14 PM

Re: TWG CLXXX - OuO what's this? [Game Thread]
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by FreezinIce (Post 4644367)
Tbh it's not about what you believe and nobody should really care about that.

It's about what is likely to have happened.

And dbp has a long history of softing his role and checks.

This is not an opinion, it's a fact. And it's why I'm inclined to believe sunfan

comical really

Celirra 08-22-2018 04:16 PM

Re: TWG CLXXX - OuO what's this? [Game Thread]
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Xiz (Post 4644369)
where freezin fits into everything how, like as a wolf or town? I said for freezin he could be a wolf if the d1 wagon was dirty.

Also, i don't mind if you disagree, but can you find any other dbp posts that say otherwise? and if not, why do you think that those two posts by dbp (about the sunfan check) and then i guess the white album stuff that sunfan hinted on are not softs?

Because I literally dont understand what a white album has to do with being a gunsmith, nor how the sunfan posts can be indicative of a soft
Like I literally just cant jump through enough hoops to reach it
Maybe I'm too 2d
Or maybe im just right

FreezinIce 08-22-2018 04:16 PM

Re: TWG CLXXX - OuO what's this? [Game Thread]
 
You keep trying to fit me on your wolf lists while suspecting sunfan and it makes you look fake.

You hadn't addressed my point of how we could ever be w/w.

Either it'd t/t (my pick) or there's one wolf between us.

Do more sleuthing pls

Xiz 08-22-2018 04:18 PM

Re: TWG CLXXX - OuO what's this? [Game Thread]
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Celirra (Post 4644372)
Because I literally dont understand what a white album has to do with being a gunsmith, nor how the sunfan posts can be indicative of a soft

nor do i, i don't know that album or band or anything like that but others clearly did. But why else would dbp say that, and why would sunfan be all like "hey stop that"

if anyone can actually explain it that might be good? but i feel like its a waste of time

Xiz 08-22-2018 04:19 PM

Re: TWG CLXXX - OuO what's this? [Game Thread]
 
cel if im wrong then im sorry but knowing dbp as a player he wouldn't say "ill give you a town read" as an investigative role when sunfan is not, that's sabotage

the sun fan 08-22-2018 04:19 PM

Re: TWG CLXXX - OuO what's this? [Game Thread]
 
I think Im at the point where I cannot bring myself to lynch blind or funny without serious role information
Freezin and I seem to be in similar headscapes and I like that

after that, it gets a lot trickier

I'm just bad at the game if there's not at least one between Xiz/inD based on how the game has played out

blindreper1179 08-22-2018 04:19 PM

Re: TWG CLXXX - OuO what's this? [Game Thread]
 
Look. Dbp used his power, he got a check. If it's not sunfan, who is it? dbp ALWAYS softs. Sun is the only one he kept pushing as town with certainty.

Celirra 08-22-2018 04:21 PM

Re: TWG CLXXX - OuO what's this? [Game Thread]
 
meta zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Xiz 08-22-2018 04:21 PM

Re: TWG CLXXX - OuO what's this? [Game Thread]
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by the sun fan (Post 4644376)
I think Im at the point where I cannot bring myself to lynch blind or funny without serious role information
Freezin and I seem to be in similar headscapes and I like that

after that, it gets a lot trickier

I'm just bad at the game if there's not at least one between Xiz/inD based on how the game has played out

for the time being i'd like you to try and think of a world where funny is a wolf. I can agree with blind, i might be wrong on him but it's a mistake to think like that. I'm bias because i aint no woof woof but still

also where are you on TPS

Celirra 08-22-2018 04:21 PM

Re: TWG CLXXX - OuO what's this? [Game Thread]
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by FreezinIce (Post 4644373)
You keep trying to fit me on your wolf lists while suspecting sunfan and it makes you look fake.

You hadn't addressed my point of how we could ever be w/w.

Either it'd t/t (my pick) or there's one wolf between us.

Do more sleuthing pls

the ol "I know I'm not a wolf therefore I can never be a wolf" argument
comical really

Xiz 08-22-2018 04:22 PM

Re: TWG CLXXX - OuO what's this? [Game Thread]
 
cel, go through dbp's posts. Find literally anything that could possibly hint to another person being checked and i'll consider it.

Celirra 08-22-2018 04:22 PM

Re: TWG CLXXX - OuO what's this? [Game Thread]
 
WhAt AbOuT pReCaRiOuS aNd TpS

Xiz 08-22-2018 04:23 PM

Re: TWG CLXXX - OuO what's this? [Game Thread]
 
also i dont know where i stand on inD i kinda forgot LOL

Celirra 08-22-2018 04:23 PM

Re: TWG CLXXX - OuO what's this? [Game Thread]
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Xiz (Post 4644383)
cel, go through dbp's posts. Find literally anything that could possibly hint to another person being checked and i'll consider it.

I have as hard of a time finding softs as a stripper at a bachelor party

the sun fan 08-22-2018 04:24 PM

Re: TWG CLXXX - OuO what's this? [Game Thread]
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Xiz (Post 4644380)
for the time being i'd like you to try and think of a world where funny is a wolf. I can agree with blind, i might be wrong on him but it's a mistake to think like that. I'm bias because i aint no woof woof but still

also where are you on TPS

The only worlds where I will ever consider voting for funnygurl are
a) There's somehow a Serial Killer and we somehow know this
b) Someone claims mechanical info that says she is a wolf
c) The saddest self-pres vote of my miserable life

Xiz 08-22-2018 04:25 PM

Re: TWG CLXXX - OuO what's this? [Game Thread]
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Celirra (Post 4644386)
I have as hard of a time finding softs as a stripper at a bachelor party

okay, yes that's fine. but please still at least try. you just need to look at his d2 posts i think. you have iso'd other people just read through it one more time.

the sun fan 08-22-2018 04:25 PM

Re: TWG CLXXX - OuO what's this? [Game Thread]
 
I dunno on TPS and its not too likely that I will, Xiz

Celirra 08-22-2018 04:27 PM

Re: TWG CLXXX - OuO what's this? [Game Thread]
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Xiz (Post 4644388)
okay, yes that's fine. but please still at least try. you just need to look at his d2 posts i think. you have iso'd other people just read through it one more time.

ugh

Xiz 08-22-2018 04:30 PM

Re: TWG CLXXX - OuO what's this? [Game Thread]
 
not too likely that you will look at tps or funny/blind

blindreper1179 08-22-2018 04:30 PM

Re: TWG CLXXX - OuO what's this? [Game Thread]
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Celirra (Post 4644390)
ugh

Zzzzzzzz

the sun fan 08-22-2018 04:33 PM

Re: TWG CLXXX - OuO what's this? [Game Thread]
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Xiz (Post 4644391)
not too likely that you will look at tps or funny/blind

I mean if I find that I think a lot of other people are townie in comparison I could consider voting for TPS, but not for the other two

Xiz 08-22-2018 04:36 PM

Re: TWG CLXXX - OuO what's this? [Game Thread]
 
big oof

Xiz 08-22-2018 04:36 PM

Re: TWG CLXXX - OuO what's this? [Game Thread]
 
i still would suggest you reconsider

Xiz 08-22-2018 04:37 PM

Re: TWG CLXXX - OuO what's this? [Game Thread]
 
i dunno i might just be really wrong this game

the sun fan 08-22-2018 04:37 PM

Re: TWG CLXXX - OuO what's this? [Game Thread]
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Xiz (Post 4644395)
i still would suggest you reconsider

on who? funny?
why?

everything she's said feels like she's town, down to feeling bad about her position in the game.

Xiz 08-22-2018 04:40 PM

Re: TWG CLXXX - OuO what's this? [Game Thread]
 
i mean like, funny is now using the argument i used on her against me, nobody took my read on funny seriously and i think she's getting a free pass. her eod was pretty bad, but i guess im not the one to talk since i think freezin someone else thought it was pretty bad as well. I think her views on you greg during i think it was early d2 about the whole voting sunfan = misslynch felt like a wolf saying that about a town. that was my first real argument against her earlier that day and now shes using that same logic against me and nobody is reacting or seeing it.

the sun fan 08-22-2018 04:40 PM

Re: TWG CLXXX - OuO what's this? [Game Thread]
 
I mean she said the same on d1 and I don't remember you saying that about her on d1

Xiz 08-22-2018 04:41 PM

Re: TWG CLXXX - OuO what's this? [Game Thread]
 
i still wanna hear from her because i dont think her voting patterns match up with her logic. however i have no idea who the hell would be paired with her, freezin maybe? only because im lookin at the d1 votes.

Xiz 08-22-2018 04:41 PM

Re: TWG CLXXX - OuO what's this? [Game Thread]
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by the sun fan (Post 4644399)
I mean she said the same on d1 and I don't remember you saying that about her on d1

hold on ill find it

Xiz 08-22-2018 04:45 PM

Re: TWG CLXXX - OuO what's this? [Game Thread]
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Funnygurl555 (Post 4642988)
gradiant liked wc's sunfan vote, and i thought sunfan was an opportune lynch for wolves. it wasn't a strong vote initially and it wasn't necessarily my intention to keep it there the entire time

as i was telling gradiant at eod though, i didn't like how he reacted to my vote.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xiz (Post 4642998)
Your saying that hes an opportune lynch for the wolves now twice in two different contexts. First time a few posts ago at the start of the phase how the Sypho kill was directed at him, and now also because of WC's vote? But gradiant liked it, and you voted it for him?

Correct me if im wrong, but by your own logic you should see WC here as scum and not gradient then?



Quote:

Originally Posted by Xiz (Post 4643027)
See the two posts below:


Quote:

Originally Posted by Funnygurl555 (Post 4642966)
i think the wolves are trying to incriminate sunfan here with the syhto night kill.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Funnygurl555 (Post 4642988)
gradiant liked wc's sunfan vote, and i thought sunfan was an opportune lynch for wolves. it wasn't a strong vote initially and it wasn't necessarily my intention to keep it there the entire time



You are saying the same thing twice but in two different situations which don't correlate, does that make sense?

^ go back and read around here. I do a bad job at explaining it, which i guess is why people ignore it.

Xiz 08-22-2018 04:46 PM

Re: TWG CLXXX - OuO what's this? [Game Thread]
 
d2 sorry not d1 today is d3 i got mixed up

Xiz 08-22-2018 04:51 PM

Re: TWG CLXXX - OuO what's this? [Game Thread]
 
she also said it on d2 not d1

Xiz 08-22-2018 04:51 PM

Re: TWG CLXXX - OuO what's this? [Game Thread]
 
* she said my quotes on d2, but is now bringing up this argument agianst me on d3

the sun fan 08-22-2018 04:57 PM

Re: TWG CLXXX - OuO what's this? [Game Thread]
 
I don't care
all I see is her pushing a townread she has
this is exactly par for the course between her and I, I feel

Xiz 08-22-2018 05:02 PM

Re: TWG CLXXX - OuO what's this? [Game Thread]
 
i really don't know how you don't see what im trying to get at but, okay fine i guess ill drop it. I guess if funny is fine then freez/ind is where i might look at next.

Xiz 08-22-2018 05:05 PM

Re: TWG CLXXX - OuO what's this? [Game Thread]
 
Might look at cel again but him being this adamant on sunfan not being checked is making me swing back and forth. I feel like it's more wolfy? his tone doesn't feel like what he did in turbo though

the sun fan 08-22-2018 05:06 PM

Re: TWG CLXXX - OuO what's this? [Game Thread]
 
what she's saying doesn't like...

she can believe one but also the other

nothing about either of those opinions contradicts the other

Xiz 08-22-2018 05:15 PM

Re: TWG CLXXX - OuO what's this? [Game Thread]
 
it didn't feel authentic to me

Celirra 08-22-2018 05:21 PM

Re: TWG CLXXX - OuO what's this? [Game Thread]
 
I iso'd dbp and this is his only other clear town aside from the sunfan thing which I hate zzzzzz
Quote:

Originally Posted by DaBackpack (Post 4643455)
with that said prec is probably lock


Celirra 08-22-2018 05:22 PM

Re: TWG CLXXX - OuO what's this? [Game Thread]
 
YES I KNOW THAT WAS HIS LAST POST I WASNT JUST BEING LAZY DADDY

the sun fan 08-22-2018 05:23 PM

Re: TWG CLXXX - OuO what's this? [Game Thread]
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Xiz (Post 4644411)
it didn't feel authentic to me

I believe her

I think this is a read that is unlikely to be shared with someone else from your end

the sun fan 08-22-2018 05:23 PM

Re: TWG CLXXX - OuO what's this? [Game Thread]
 
he was talking about prec's """"""dumbtell""""" there Cel

Celirra 08-22-2018 05:26 PM

Re: TWG CLXXX - OuO what's this? [Game Thread]
 
oh

inDheart 08-22-2018 05:43 PM

Re: TWG CLXXX - OuO what's this? [Game Thread]
 
yeah that was the derp clear thing

i couldn't quickly find whom dbp might have checked and it made me think he just got a negative result on whoever

inDheart 08-22-2018 05:49 PM

Re: TWG CLXXX - OuO what's this? [Game Thread]
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Celirra (Post 4644170)
I need to work out if sunfan catching the soft is a red herring or not
[...]
I didnt even know there was a soft (this is dumb wifom but I was literally calling dbp sketchy up till the end)

i didn't know that thing sunfan was talking about was supposed to be some kind of soft, i thought sunfan was telling him not to spam the thread or love him so much or something

think it's the kind of thing that's easier to see when you're the target of it though

inDheart 08-22-2018 05:53 PM

Re: TWG CLXXX - OuO what's this? [Game Thread]
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Celirra (Post 4644178)
I have a uh
Dumb inquiry though

Tps is on the verge of modkill according to the post in the night
If tps is a town and we lynch a town here, and he gets modkilled, we lose
If tps is a town and we lynch him, we will still have lylo at least
If tps is wolf then this is all null and void

I guess uh what I'm trying to say is
tps might need to hang?

imagine i wrote a harsher response to this but i'd rather not shrug lynch him just because of this reason alone

there was something of a disparity of response to me reminding the thread tps and w_c exist, because one of those people has been lynched, and it feels weird

inDheart 08-22-2018 05:53 PM

Re: TWG CLXXX - OuO what's this? [Game Thread]
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by inDheart (Post 4644427)
imagine i wrote a harsher response to this

(harshness not directed at you, cel)

inDheart 08-22-2018 05:56 PM

Re: TWG CLXXX - OuO what's this? [Game Thread]
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Celirra (Post 4644197)
I just noticed how revisionist of a reason/excuse this is

i said it at the time when i was literally looking at the votecount, it's top of the page even

it is part salt at another town lynch off chaos tho

inDheart 08-22-2018 06:04 PM

Re: TWG CLXXX - OuO what's this? [Game Thread]
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Xiz (Post 4644333)
i already said why, but why ya think? back it up

last minute arrival, seat of pants, first several posts were meta-posting about not being able to post or otherwise

comment to me implied you were actually reading but it took me saying i'd vote you to get you to say it

inDheart 08-22-2018 06:08 PM

Re: TWG CLXXX - OuO what's this? [Game Thread]
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Xiz (Post 4644344)
Freezin/Funny would make sense here for me, third being somewhere probably in that afk's like TPS

if the wagons are actually clean, i think prec and cel would be looked at next? but i still think theres gotta be one on the grad/sunfan wagons d1

if i throw you into that freezin/funny group too, that's like the only way wolves would be doing literally anything

any other outcome is town eating itself alive, which isn't impossible, but lynching lurkers doesn't feel good at 9, but at least it's 9 and not f7

inDheart 08-22-2018 06:11 PM

Re: TWG CLXXX - OuO what's this? [Game Thread]
 
sunfan i feel bad that you called out cel already for not doing dumb w/w stuff because he's just doing it all the fucking time now

and i can't even call it ai because he does pick up thread memes and run with them

(cel-f meta is dumb but)

inDheart 08-22-2018 06:12 PM

Re: TWG CLXXX - OuO what's this? [Game Thread]
 
also why do you wanna kill me anyway

the sun fan 08-22-2018 06:13 PM

Re: TWG CLXXX - OuO what's this? [Game Thread]
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by inDheart (Post 4644434)
also why do you wanna kill me anyway

because blins, funny and probably freezin are town

I do need another town ofc but it feels more like town is cannibalizing itself and your votes on each EOD was offwagon which feels like... very atypical for you

inDheart 08-22-2018 06:19 PM

Re: TWG CLXXX - OuO what's this? [Game Thread]
 
honestly i'm not sure any given wolfteam in this game would surprise me right now

this is me being too lazy to reread, i'll do it a bit later

kinda like the look from cel wanting to be sure dbp's posts are actually a soft that happened in this game and doubting the sunfan clear

Celirra 08-22-2018 06:33 PM

Re: TWG CLXXX - OuO what's this? [Game Thread]
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by inDheart (Post 4644433)
sunfan i feel bad that you called out cel already for not doing dumb w/w stuff because he's just doing it all the fucking time now

and i can't even call it ai because he does pick up thread memes and run with them

(cel-f meta is dumb but)

This is why mentioning someone's meta explicitly in a game is dumb, because it either a) subconsciously sways them to fit their presumed meta, or b) forces oneself to cherrypick examples to fit the meta narrative and overlook countermeta examples

Celirra 08-22-2018 06:34 PM

Re: TWG CLXXX - OuO what's this? [Game Thread]
 
And the dumb part is? Now even if I legitimately do have a case of X, suntan will say it's because I'm trying to fit the meta he diagnosed for me to shrug off my point

I think theres a fallacy that covers this, but its dumb either way


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