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Hakulyte 04-30-2020 04:26 PM

Re: TWG 194 - Game Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by flashflash account (Post 4728286)
today would have been the day for a massclaim
but the wolves pushed the lynch through on xiz, so now we have to wait

I'm using my best intuition on this, so I could be wrong about the massclaim timing

No because next phase could be mylo and I want to solve 2 wolves now.

flashflash account 04-30-2020 04:28 PM

Re: TWG 194 - Game Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hakulyte (Post 4728287)
No because next phase could be mylo and I want to solve 2 wolves now.

next phase is not lylo, cool your jets

I don't understand how you think a massclaim does anything pro town right now

Hakulyte 04-30-2020 04:29 PM

Re: TWG 194 - Game Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by flashflash account (Post 4728288)
next phase is not lylo, cool your jets

I don't understand how you think a massclaim does anything pro town right now

9 players -> mislynch/NK
7 players -> 4:3

It's mylo. lylo is just as bad.

flashflash account 04-30-2020 04:31 PM

Re: TWG 194 - Game Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hakulyte (Post 4728289)
9 players -> mislynch/NK
7 players -> 4:3

It's mylo. lylo is just as bad.

4:3 would be lylo...
but my point is you keep saying crap like "massclaim outs two wolves"
one wolf is already outted, why does a massclaim out another? That's the part that's tripping me up

ShadoWolfe 04-30-2020 04:32 PM

Re: TWG 194 - Game Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hakulyte (Post 4728285)
If there's only VT claims, FFA becomes 100% town.

If there's additional claims, FFA/DBP dichotomy can lead to a 2nd wolf.

If there's only PR claims, all the VTs are confirmed town.

The 1st point is incorrect.
And the 3rd point is an inherent contradiction.

Expand on your 2nd point please.

flashflash account 04-30-2020 04:36 PM

Re: TWG 194 - Game Thread
 
okay haku is almost guaranteed wolfing right? this really looks like an attempt to save dbp without hard committing to the "ffa is wolf" stance of dbp because they know that case is a dumpster fire

Hakulyte 04-30-2020 04:37 PM

Re: TWG 194 - Game Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ShadoWolfe (Post 4728291)
The 1st point is incorrect.
And the 3rd point is an inherent contradiction.

Expand on your 2nd point please.

The 1st point is only incorrect is town PRs are lying about being VTs which is omega dumb.
The 2nd point mixed with the current information is enough to create parallels about who is with who.

Are you saying that VT count and PR count could be anything and not a static number knowing the setup letters ?

ShadoWolfe 04-30-2020 04:39 PM

Re: TWG 194 - Game Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hakulyte (Post 4728293)
The 1st point is only incorrect is town PRs are lying about being VTs which is omega dumb.

The 2nd point mixed with the current information is enough to create parallels about who is with who.



Are you saying that VT count and PR count could be anything and not a static number knowing the setup letters ?

What do you mean by parallels about who is with who?

Plain and simple, what's gained?

Hakulyte 04-30-2020 04:41 PM

Re: TWG 194 - Game Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ShadoWolfe (Post 4728294)
What do you mean by parallels about who is with who?

Plain and simple, what's gained?

You gain information about if a player is VT or PR.
You can figure out the rest.

Hakulyte 04-30-2020 04:43 PM

Re: TWG 194 - Game Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by flashflash account (Post 4728292)
okay haku is almost guaranteed wolfing right? this really looks like an attempt to save dbp without hard committing to the "ffa is wolf" stance of dbp because they know that case is a dumpster fire

Nah, I obviously need a semantic talk because either

A) I think you're all playing wrong.

or

B) I don't understand something.

flashflash account 04-30-2020 04:43 PM

Re: TWG 194 - Game Thread
 
I don't see bolt being a wolf ever tbh

iirc they expressed some suspicion of dbp yesterday too, so that's a decent look as well

Hakulyte 04-30-2020 04:44 PM

Re: TWG 194 - Game Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by flashflash account (Post 4728298)
I don't see bolt being a wolf ever tbh

iirc they expressed some suspicion of dbp yesterday too, so that's a decent look as well

I want a mech solve because stuff like that can go either way.

flashflash account 04-30-2020 04:45 PM

Re: TWG 194 - Game Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hakulyte (Post 4728297)
Nah, I obviously need a semantic talk because either

A) I think you're all playing wrong.

or

B) I don't understand something.

well, half of the living town is playing wrong for lynching xiz yesterday imo, that slot could have been resolved today without lynching it
did you not understand that?

so it looks like both

Hakulyte 04-30-2020 04:46 PM

Re: TWG 194 - Game Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by flashflash account (Post 4728300)
well, half of the living town is playing wrong for lynching xiz yesterday imo, that slot could have been resolved today without lynching it
did you not understand that?

so it looks like both

Yesterday's issue was failing to create a decent alternative wagon.

flashflash account 04-30-2020 04:46 PM

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you could make an argument that the way I approached today wasn't "proper" but I genuinely think the upside is there, and well outweighs the downside

assuming no towns force me to commit at gunpoint

Hakulyte 04-30-2020 04:49 PM

Re: TWG 194 - Game Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by flashflash account (Post 4728302)
you could make an argument that the way I approached today wasn't "proper" but I genuinely think the upside is there, and well outweighs the downside

assuming no towns force me to commit at gunpoint

If you're a town VT and this happens and DBP is town. This is big dumb.
If you're a town Cop and this happens, but you don't want to commit, wolves will NK you.
If you're a wolf and this happens then it makes sense knowing mylo is next phase.

So, I just don't understand why town you would have done this without committing to it.

Leaving an unclear soft would have been better imo.

Hakulyte 04-30-2020 04:52 PM

Re: TWG 194 - Game Thread
 
Well, the play here with a red check is probably to just straight up full claim and assume you did your job.

flashflash account 04-30-2020 04:55 PM

Re: TWG 194 - Game Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hakulyte (Post 4728304)
If you're a town VT and this happens and DBP is town. This is big dumb.
If you're a town Cop and this happens, but you don't want to commit, wolves will NK you.
If you're a wolf and this happens then it makes sense knowing mylo is next phase.

So, I just don't understand why town you would have done this without committing to it.

Leaving an unclear soft would have been better imo.

the big problem for me was MML was a giant meatslab defending dbp
since MML is likely town, I need to out the red check to lynch dbp because mml is hard pocketed here

personally, I think that I'm honestly too much of a coward to make a play like you're suggesting as a wolf
I know the inability for FFR to overcome bad town play and we already saw it this game with the xiz lynch, so I know that if I fake claim this as wolf there's no going back
that was pushed by wolves too, so it's somewhat excusable, but nobody besides me and fg (and I guess technically dusk by omission) seemed to think a xiz lynch was a bad idea
props to fg for actually like, town reading xiz but I think just logically it doesn't make sense to lynch an un-cc'd pr claim in a semi-open setup like this
if I hold my peek until lylo I'm infinitely more likely to die just because FFR hates me

all of this is documented and factual if you go back and look

Duskfall 04-30-2020 04:56 PM

Re: TWG 194 - Game Thread
 
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Originally Posted by ShadoWolfe (Post 4728274)
It seems like you're taking a more serious look at game recently so I hope that means you can share some stances

Aside from DBP, is there anyone you're confident on? Town or scum?
And aside from DBP, who else are you suspecting?

idk i havent really tried read people yet but bolth has been bad

flashflash account 04-30-2020 04:56 PM

Re: TWG 194 - Game Thread
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hakulyte (Post 4728305)
Well, the play here with a red check is probably to just straight up full claim and assume you did your job.

I don't think that's good enough to win this game
I'm "claiming" the red check but wolves get to enjoy the wifom of if I'm cop or fpsing, I have a chance to live
now I just always die and we have one less clear tomorrow


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