TWG 199: The Reaper's Game -Final Remix- POST GAME
 

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Day start
OotC: off
Night-talking: off
Wolf chat: always on

Phantoms: off
No Lynch: off
Flips: on
KITB: on


13 Player setup:
8x Player (Vanilla Town)
1x 3x-Bulletproof
1x JOAT (1x each of Seer, Doc, Vig)

2x Reaper (Vanilla Wolf)
1x Game Master (Roleblocker)


Game will be themed around The World Ends With You because that game is amazing and y'all need to play it.



DRAMATIS PERSONAE
1.) mellon_collie (she/her) [WON at Endgame]
2.) flashflash_account (he/him) [WON at Endgame]
3.) roundbox (he/him) [ERASED by Reapers NIGHT 2]
4.) the sun fan (he/him) [WON at Endgame]
5.) Cold Kitten (she/her) FreezinIce (he/him) [ERASED by Players DAY 2]
6.) Shadow_God_10 (he/him) (Game Master) [CONCEDED]
7.) tn5421 (he/him) [WON at Endgame]
8.) Hakulyte (he/they) [CONCEDED]
9.) Vendetta21 (he/him) SubaruPoptart (he/him) [WON at Endgame]
10.) Funnygurl555 (she/her) [ERASED by Players DAY 1]
11.) bugkid666 (they/them) [ERASED by Players DAY 3]
12.) choof (he/him) [ERASED by Reapers NIGHT 1]
13.) Charu (he/him) [ERASED by Reapers NIGHT 3]
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R1.) FreezinIce
R2.) SubaruPoptart

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Deadchat: https://discord.gg/bTJAqcA8
Wolfchat: https://discord.gg/42xdkMvh

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haku had me all early game tbh
if you had shadowgod claim instead I think you can go pretty far

I do think fake claiming there was right and I think it was a well enough made claim but sunfan was pretty right about why raeko is always real etc

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Won't lie, I saw that going a lot differently. I think if Haku doesn't fake there, Reapers have a really good chance, but misinterpreting how the BP works I think borked that up.

If run again, I'll also not allow stacking blocking/killing on the same target. It made things pretty broken once they (thought they) found the PR.

MVP will come later, although there were some good performances all around.

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Oh, because I don't care, you all need to see this:

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to all of you that said they thought lewdy was being normal even after I pointed out his weird posting....... imma throw hands.

jk jk. this was a fun game fr

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Not gonna lie Haku, you'll see this in dead chat, but fake claiming the BP was definitely not the wisest.

If you didn't do that, I'm pretty sure you could've went to F3 easily with my reads I gave.

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What the hell happened wait

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fmpov, BP was roleblockable and shadowgod was the only one who could nk them.

I only claimed because I was vanilla wolf, but yeah.

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honestly though I feel a lot better about that game than the previous ones I've played. I felt like I was able to do a lot more in that one and understand what's going on a lot better.

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ye

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fakeclaiming was very unnecessary, I think
sometimes where it can be good, but I think lewdy has to be the one doing it (still don't think there's much payoff tbh)
you're not putting the team in a much better position even if you do get raeko killed, haku

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my reads were pretty nice
I also don't know the utility of the roleblocker in this setup
it's almost always optimal to block your kill to prevent vigi shots from going through (which happened this game). you're probably never going to kill the top town while joat hunting, and hitting the doc'd target is just a one night scare
if you have the foresight to block the joat's doctor action and kill the doctored target, then just kill the damn joat

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setup is a bit townsided but like who cares about balance on FFR in 2021 am I right?

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oh wow I got joatread for defending sunfan?
interesting

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We didn't know that Raeko was literally immortal until later on, which is why we thought we needed the game master alive at all costs.

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oh wow that's over then i guess

gg all

I think I played ok but my biggest regret is voting for bugkid. Idk why I let myself be influenced like that, I wasn't really into that vote but did it anyway. dumb dumb dumb

also haku how dare you :@

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Sorry for cutting things short, but I genuinely didn't believe there was anything playable past the claim.

I didn't want to exhaust myself more than needed and shadow god wasn't too enthusiastic about soloing for the win so, we just ended things here.

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dont kill me n1 next time pls

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I said this in deadchat but i didn't really give the game the time it deserved until it was too late and it showed.

I'll do better next time. Gg town

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blub

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I was pretty hard set on my Haku townread, the counterclaim stuff was about the only way it could have changed.
haku claims, mellon_collie counterclaims, mellon_collie flips green, haku suddenly also gets the flip.

the way the claim was done was just so beneficial to town that i didn't conceive that haku was actually scumming it up

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it was pretty likely haku dies first there too

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haku flipping red basically absolved mellon_collie of all wrongdoing.

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or would have, if it came to that

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that's usually how counterclaims work in my experience

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don't feel that way personally, think that claiming here is more scummy as it removes the potential for no kill if mellon was to be nk'd, paired with the point that wolves probable best chance is with the bp gone, and only way this is happening is from them getting lynched in a forced thunderdome from a fakeclaim.

Other wolf then free to believe the real bp for fake brownie points which we saw with shadowgod, while the fake wolf can clog the thread up with bunch of crap to make it harder for people to see what's actually going on rather than building concrete case on mellon, which she saw and brought up. Seeing how reluctant people were to believe mellon makes me doubt that she would've ended up being believed by majority so I'm curious how far shadow would've been able to go afterward with only sunfan from what I really saw saying they'd vote him after thunderdome was cleared up.

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i forgot about the game. looks like v was wrapped up in stuff too so i don't feel as bad about it. i don't plan on playing twg anytime soon fwiw

it was cool seeing a newbie (to the site at least) playing so i hope you come back tn

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I think Shadow is really bad at narrative construction, and sometimes the picks at easier targets comes off a bit bad imho.

I have no other commentary~

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not for another week at least

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you would be surprised and astonished at the terrible terrible things that happen on mafiascum dot net

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the no-kill (or night without a kill) wasn't really important anyways; it didn't give town another kill, so nothing really got "taken away" from it

ffa was going to vote haku, dunno if shadow would've ended up doing so as well but there were at least three between sunfan, ffa and obviously raeko

I kind of wish I knew how it would've ended up playing out

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Also thought the extension was funny considering nobody really used it

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I forget the name of the axiom, but when I played my champs game last season, the issue of fake claiming came up because I was INSTA'D as the JOAT in my game due to some fakeclaiming shenanigans. the axiom goes that in fakeclaiming situations, the first claims in a thread are more likely to be wolves

there's a huge rhetorical advantage you get by claiming first: it frames the current game state around your proposition and players start solving from there
this gives the most advantage to the wolves considering they benefit the most from such a paradigm shift. if they claim first, it gives them that framing advantage. any delay in response just gives the thread time to start solving from the "solved" point of view with the new claim. we saw this happen this game with Haku getting advantage over raeko at first.

obviously this is just one of those informal axioms like the Manti rule, so take it with a grain of salt

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I don't know what the axiom is called either

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The axiom is interesting. I think it would be much more likely from a proactive team to be aware of and make use of the framing advantage. I think a newer or more risk adverse team could prefer to wait to find out who the special role is to better gauge how trusted the person is first.

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The problem is that boldly coming out with a claim as wolf is usually very risky.
The closer to LYLO it happens, the more likely you are to be able to get away with it.

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when game

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Send game(s).

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https://youtu.be/FAoWzqNG2DE

https://youtu.be/4KTJvVHkn18

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send games? I thought 200 would be a super event

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I want it to be

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second this. I think greg has been building game 200 for a while now, id recommend going with his game

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I have something really, really special for the 200th game
its ambitious, and I think it will expand the idea of what a mafia game can be in a way that, truly, I can make all the players happy

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Thirded

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Oh? Well that sounds intriguing!

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I will play that!

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Im hyped for it

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200 will most likely be the last game I play for a long time, in b4 i die n0