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I'm not the cop

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Well then.

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No duh.

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What the hell am I reading FFA

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it's hilarious that you're more willing to believe 2 full roleblocker claims than 1 full cop claim despite the rolls having equal odds tho
that was your whole argument yesterday

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So why push DBP as a hard red check?
If you were wrong and we followed you, then we'd have had to policy you tomorrow and the game would be over.

So explain. Were you betting game on a hunch ooor?

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Who are your partners?

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yeah no shit

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yeah pretty much
I measured odds of winning after the xiz lynch (still a terrible lynch btw) and decided a fake claim would have good results
dbp is likely dead via massclaim tomorrow so as long as town doesn't screw it up the game is still going

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you are such an idiot

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I don't understand what you're trying to say here either

Why would they have to out themselves when you flip?
How does this give them game in lylo?

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you knew I didn't cop you, you just had to find a way to make me rescind without outing but this probably isn't good enough

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You thought that the Xiz lynch was okay due to him being deceptive, now you're being deceptive and you expect us to roll with it?

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because when I flip not cop they can fight counterclaims in lylo and lynch the actual last pr
they needed to hedge against the probability that dbp got roleblocked night 2

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I'm expecting you to not seriously wolf read me but somehow you can't resist
I accept that I'm likely going to get policy lynched

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Hey so if your not on the same team how did he know you didnt have a check? Unless hes town?

Dude what i dont understand your angle at all

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How many roleblockers do you think there are?

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course, nobody's gonna bring up the logic "it doesn't make sense for FFA to do this as wolf" even though it doesn't
even though everyone's like "it doesn't make sense for MML to claim here as DBP's partner"

maybe I'll be pleasantly surprised

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Why did you do this if you knew you were going to get policy lynched a day before LyLo? Don't you realize that that's antitown?

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I don't think there are any honestly

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looks like setup is VCBBBTT unless someone hasn't claimed yet

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Then what's with this

If you think there are no town roleblockers, then the only way DBP gets roleblocked is by a wolf blocker

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I don't really think it's that anti town at all
me getting lynched a day before lylo is not a big deal especially when it forces wolves to claim to survive

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because none of what he's saying makes sense or is consistent

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That means we have to lynch three wolves in a row without having any room for an error in judgement. That doesn't sound like a scenario that town would often win in.

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I'm VT. I didn't check anyone, I don't know if I got roleblocked.
DBP knows I was roleblocked, but I'm still claiming a red check. The only way that's mechanically possible is if dbp got roleblocked as well. They need to account for that possibility by having MML claim roleblocker as well

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uh you forced two roleblockers to claim because of "a gambit", that's literally anti-town

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gl in massclaim dude

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lmao dude this is such mental gymnastics instead of "roleblocker knew it was impossible for you to red check the roleblocker"

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when I say "dbp has to play around the possibility that they got roleblocked night 2"
it doesn't mean I think dbp got roleblocked night 2
I'm in dbp's headspace when I talk about what dbp does and I sincerely hope you understand that

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FFA, I’m honestly confused about your logic here if you’re town. Why lie about a red check instead of making your case against DBP in the thread?

I don’t see how you can be town and do this.

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I did make a case against dbp

what happened? MML threw a tantrum

I had zero influence or inertia into pushing a dbp lynch, just like I had no influence or inertia trying to keep xiz alive till massclaim

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You pushed me to L-1 twice this phase.

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I could see a gambit where a townie fakeclaims a redcheck to see how that person would react, but not one where the townie keeps that claim for 90% of the phase.

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anyway my mom is literally screaming at me because we're helping some people move and it's very likely I'm missing eod

read my iso, policy lynch me, or lynch outside the claims, idrc

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BECAUSE OF THE RED CHECK

THANK YOU
IT WORKED

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It wouldn't only be possible if DBP got roleblocked as well

If he was wolf roleblocker and you got roleblocked last night, then he'd know without any of the other nonsense

I think you're twisting the issue on MML and destroyed the game by committing so hard to a fake claim if you're town. You were asked by a majority of players to rescind your claim if you weren't cop back in the hypo phase. Going past that guns blazing at a suspected target you have no mechanical reason to be CERTAIN of is 100% antitown

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Mikey's behavior is not looking good for him. "I don't care, policy lynch me" is not something a townie would say the day before LyLo.

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Exactly this.

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Are you saying you tried to prevent a Xiz lynch and wanted to keep him alive?

Does anyone else remember anything like that? I don't, and I'm working so I can't exactly go back and check

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Mikey's claim is no longer incompatible with MML's and DBP's. The fact that he is not considering a world in which they are town is another nail in the coffin.

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AFAIK, he was trying to keep xiz alive to solve him in massclaim

I’ve woken up to a clusterfuck guys

I think I’m in the same boat where I agree FFAs strat this phase has been antitown, and it needs to be resolved

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That’s what I’m afraid of. If all 3 are town then we’re fucked

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Would you say you know FFA well? Have you played town games with him?

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I've played a few, yes. There was one which I was convinced he was scum because he hard defended two wolves and when I roleblocked him, there were no kills that night, but it turned out to be not the case. The other times I was able to townread him by the end of D1.

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The more I think about this situation, the more confused I get:
FFA as wolf: pushes a mislynch with a fake claim and gets lynched the next day phase
FFA as town: risks the whole game for a hunch?

Can someone who understands the set-up explain if there’s any possibility of an SK at this point? I could see wolf cop FFA getting an SK check on DBP and trying to take SK down that way maybe? Is this too tinfoil-y??

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That would make it BCVTTTT, which has no SK

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Mikey should also know that SK is investigation immune, since I pointed it out to him earlier.

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So when does Xiz get roleblocked in your story?

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If he was wolf rolecop who got an SK check on DBP, he would've claimed cop with an SK check on DBP or just killed the SK at night

Claiming a red check would've been pointless cause he would be disproven as cop if DBP flipped SK instead of wolf

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SK is investigation immune in this setup

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Ok got it. I do not know what to make of this situation at all then...

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Thanks for the clarification.

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If someone put a gun to your head and said you have to vote for one person, and if you don't you'll be shot, who would you vote for?

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Vote Count:
5/1 @ 19:00

00:59 = GOOD
00:00 = BAD


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DaBackpack, MixMasterLar, leetic

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Bolth mannn

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FFA since I'm in and out with work

That's 4 now, careful of hammer in case someone else wants to say something, though it likely won't make much difference today

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I can see you hiding around Hakulyte, what are your thoughts?

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And also you should answer the GTH question Haku

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Okay, thanks. I clearly have to read up on mechanics more.

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He did but still said Xiz was wolf 95% of the time

He was clearly trying to have it both ways.

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You still haven't answered my question.

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FFA

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I just saw it. Calm down.

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What's GTH ?

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Should I just vote for FFA? Is there a reason to hold back?

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Gun to head

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Let's wait for Haku to answer first

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Clearly this is T/T and I'd shoot Bolth here because Xiz said so.

Logic says FFA tho.

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Elaborate.

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Aside from FFA, is there anyone you feel confident about in any direction? I know I asked you this before, but thread has jumbled everything up since

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My last post was supposed to quote this for the question @jessie

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Nothing good enough tbh. Just guts.

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Vote Count:
5/1 @ 19:00

00:59 = GOOD
00:00 = BAD


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flashflash account, Duskfall

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Bolth mannn

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Even if it's just guts, any thought you can provide us with is useful.

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If I’m ignoring everything with FFA right now, I still think the Xiz vote led by DBP/MML was weird. Haku has felt disingenuous all game to me as well.

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FFA looks too easy as usual.

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Thoughts on DBP/MML?

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But everything going on with FFA is causing me to re-evaluate how I’m reading MML/DBP.

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Duskfall had the right idea with MML and DBP not necessarily being together.

Unfortunately, incomplete claims messes everything.

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bro, he lied about his cop claim