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Dusk/Jessie/FFA might be a thing too.
Bolth is a tough call. I wish I knew in details what Xiz/FG had on him. I just feel like town Bolth would have managed to come out with more possibilities. The read list felt a bit bland too. (the 2nd one, not the entrance) It just makes more sense for me to town read Jessie and assume that wolves wanted town to assume that Funny/Jessie was W/T and not T/T. The irony is that I had Funny as more scum than Jessie in that game. Watching their back and forth + knowing Funny's flip is kind of doing me a favor here. |
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I'll need to iso Bolth tomorrow. I feel like I'm not being fair here.
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5/1 @ 19:00 00:59 = GOOD 00:00 = BAD ============== DaBackpack [2] flashflash account, Duskfall jessiebessie [2] ShadoWolfe, leetic flashflash account [2] DaBackpack, MixMasterLar Duskfall [1] Bolth mannn |
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what am I reading |
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potential bussing in the voters for sure |
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this is the best you can do the cool thing is you aren't in antispew because you're hoping I'm fake so jess is clear |
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MML bro you feel bad for getting pocketed by me but someone so much as whispers "lynch inactives" and you hop right in
this is on you |
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If Mikey doesn't hardclaim cop today he's the lynch btw
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100 percent of the time
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do you seriously not see how this is better fine hardclaiming cop, greencheck MML red check DBP this town actually wants to throw |
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Mikey why are you saying mislynch is on mml when scumreading him, talking as if he's town
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Thanks
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There's no reason to pretty much claim but not claim because scum dbp literally kills you every world tonight regardless so what's the point in not hardclaiming when you've already outted
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A mass claim would probably make this part easier but I'll let others decide what to do here You fucked up, time to hang you and whoever you're covering for. (But first I gotta sleep) |
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I'm honestly glad you're committing to the idea that I'm a wolf covering for jess
it basically proves that you're grasping at straws to anyone who knows me |
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speaking of anyone who knows me, if I'm wolfing and fake claim a red check before mylo, do I really kill funnygurl who locked me town the day before?
Like you really have no outs here |
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fwiw
I don't think we win when I'm outted we're super far behind this game I felt there was a chance I live and get another check off if I play it right but yall gotta be law-abiding citizens |
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I mean we are obviously lynching dbp regardless
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I’m genuinely so lost
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I hope you're ready to get fucking spiked asshole I need to sleep, but consider if claiming is a good idea this phase if it means nailing FFA today |
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that last part is @thread
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in the meanwhile, enjoy these fun Wikipedia pages
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spik...ent_plasticity https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long-term_depression b-buddy |
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There's no point in a mass claim today with a red check out and anyone who says otherwise hasn't thought it through or is pushing an agenda All outting today does is give more info to wolves and potential antitown roles on a day where the lynch is pretty much decided. We gain nothing except conjecture even if there seems to be a a contradiction, because everything we gain is only actionable after resolving the claim Lynch DBP today. If green then lynch FFA. If red then we mass claim. Outting the info early today doesn't make sense when we can get it tomorrow without just leaving it in the air overnight. |
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Aside from DBP, is there anyone you're confident on? Town or scum? And aside from DBP, who else are you suspecting? |
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I tend to disagree here and the other PR is probably a 1-shot that already used their ability. If there's a full town PR outside of DBP/FFA then the odds of FFA being wolf move up quite a bit. (if the full town PR is also a fake claim then we get another wolf for free) |
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Mass claim should happen this phase because we don't have room to be wrong next phase if we derp this one.
It's that simple. |
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We can also instantly know if the wolves are in the VT claims or the PR claims which is pretty valuable here because it will help understanding if wolves are all split up between FFA defenders, DBP defenders or mixed between the two.
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So mass claiming today puts all town's info on the table overnight without significantly impacting the lynch pool. That's pointless and dangerous |
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forcing me to stick to the claim means I'm the kill tonight that should be obvious, but given people weren't inclined to resolve xiz via massclaim I guess I shouldn't have expected more |
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if haku's living in a world where they think I'm faking the peek as a wolf, all they have to do is look at the fact that the best logic for the claim presented thus far was "ffa is trying to protect someone they've been willing to lynch and even voted for yesterday"
so, haku's partner equity with dbp is going up also in the pool of snap voters look at haku again tomorrow imo I should go iso bolt right now, the reason I didn't last night was because I thought I was gonna die and doing work while dead was a huge waste |
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What actionable benefit do we gain? What burning questions get answered and what gets solved? There's still an active red check on the table. It still needs to get resolved. The lynch pool stays the same. There's only one case I'd entertain for a mass claim and we can cross that bridge if we come to it |
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If there's additional claims, FFA/DBP dichotomy can lead to a 2nd wolf. If there's only PR claims, all the VTs are confirmed town. |
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but the wolves pushed the lynch through on xiz, so now we have to wait I'm using my best intuition on this, so I could be wrong about the massclaim timing |
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I don't understand how you think a massclaim does anything pro town right now |
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7 players -> 4:3 It's mylo. lylo is just as bad. |
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but my point is you keep saying crap like "massclaim outs two wolves" one wolf is already outted, why does a massclaim out another? That's the part that's tripping me up |
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And the 3rd point is an inherent contradiction. Expand on your 2nd point please. |
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okay haku is almost guaranteed wolfing right? this really looks like an attempt to save dbp without hard committing to the "ffa is wolf" stance of dbp because they know that case is a dumpster fire
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The 2nd point mixed with the current information is enough to create parallels about who is with who. Are you saying that VT count and PR count could be anything and not a static number knowing the setup letters ? |
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Plain and simple, what's gained? |
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You can figure out the rest. |
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A) I think you're all playing wrong. or B) I don't understand something. |
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I don't see bolt being a wolf ever tbh
iirc they expressed some suspicion of dbp yesterday too, so that's a decent look as well |
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did you not understand that? so it looks like both |
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you could make an argument that the way I approached today wasn't "proper" but I genuinely think the upside is there, and well outweighs the downside
assuming no towns force me to commit at gunpoint |
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If you're a town Cop and this happens, but you don't want to commit, wolves will NK you. If you're a wolf and this happens then it makes sense knowing mylo is next phase. So, I just don't understand why town you would have done this without committing to it. Leaving an unclear soft would have been better imo. |
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Well, the play here with a red check is probably to just straight up full claim and assume you did your job.
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since MML is likely town, I need to out the red check to lynch dbp because mml is hard pocketed here personally, I think that I'm honestly too much of a coward to make a play like you're suggesting as a wolf I know the inability for FFR to overcome bad town play and we already saw it this game with the xiz lynch, so I know that if I fake claim this as wolf there's no going back that was pushed by wolves too, so it's somewhat excusable, but nobody besides me and fg (and I guess technically dusk by omission) seemed to think a xiz lynch was a bad idea props to fg for actually like, town reading xiz but I think just logically it doesn't make sense to lynch an un-cc'd pr claim in a semi-open setup like this if I hold my peek until lylo I'm infinitely more likely to die just because FFR hates me all of this is documented and factual if you go back and look |
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I'm "claiming" the red check but wolves get to enjoy the wifom of if I'm cop or fpsing, I have a chance to live now I just always die and we have one less clear tomorrow |
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the lynch is awlways dbp today and if you are tinfoiling that hard enough then mikey, but realistically dbp
anyone suggesting fullclaim today which helps us in no way, is greatly increasing their wolf equity on the spot |
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if next phase is mylo then mikey is confirmed red and we cant mislynch anyways
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haku is definitely being scummy rn unless they have no understanding of mechanics at all
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i cant remember a single jesse post but i sense a town aura from their direction is that weird
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hard for me to iso jess because a lot of their posts are just like sheeping me there is one that's a little bit awkward semantically and talks about solving DBP's slot |
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Which means something like VTTTTTT is still possible, though leetic and FFA change that probability. The 3rd is wrong because if "everyone" (I assume you mean antitown roles) claims PR then how are the remaining VTs cleared? Something like the above VTTTTTT can look like VCCCTTT or worse if antitown claim PRs in a mostly vanilla setup. The 2nd is a stretch, and telling me to "figure it out" doesn't help. I just wanna know what you meant |
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i kinda remember people pushing jesse but i cant remember who exactly and i kind of got the impression that i wanted them to be threadspewed down as a designated mislynch but i dont want to have to read back
i think the poe here is lynch dbp then haku/wolfe/bolt wins |
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i think wolfe stays to lylo out of that group though
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they are better than bolt and haku though, going off today only |
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I'll need to find an old game with a mass claim to figure out how it was done.
I swear this worked in a previous game. |
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Why me? Also I can't get a good read on bolth, can you talk to me about him generally please? Also thanks for following up |
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you don't clear vts because all the mafia claim vt, you clear the pr as they get shot and/or roleblocked
You can clear vts if there are not enough vts in the setup which makes a setup inherently unbalanced |
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