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funnygurl was right, and some of the wolfiest wolfbros of all time were pushing xiz when we had a mechanical path to avoid a mislynch vote dbp |
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I am never voting DBP, especially if the case is "Xiz threw the game and FFA used his crystal ball to somehow magically know lynching was a bad idea" I vote FFA over DBP here, if it comes to it Back to Apex |
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Just personal preference maybe, but non-themed, known setup games with very few PRs are not only a snooze-fest, but they take a lot of skill out of the equation too. Mafia skill isnt just about blind reads. That plays an obvious part, but part of the skill in being scum in more advanced setups is making your own believable fake claim, or deciding what to do with the limited (or no) info on what the town PRs are. Part of the fun and skill of town in advanced setups is figuring out the setup too. Removing those things actually limits skill in my view, and it's a main reason why this type of setup is usually only found in newbie games on most dedicated mafia sites. Yes, there is RNG in what role you get in role madness games, but that's also part of playing mafia. It takes skill to win with a subpar/$#@!ty role and skill to not lose the game with a good one. Even bad situations can be salvaged by good players, and that's the only real way to separate people imo. Putting a bunch of VTs against a couple goons in a known setup is as basic as it gets and limits the plays people can make. I personally dont like it much.
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I'm tempted to afk this phase.
1. Everyone town read me. 2. doesn't look like mass claim is a thing. 3. I'm curious what DBP does, but it's not too important. 4. FFA called a red check. 5. If DBP town, FFA is dead next phase. 6. My opinion is trash. |
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I think that's the highest fps gif I've ever seen
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So right now we have nine people alive, there doesn't seem to be an SK, so we only have two safe lynches. I'm suspicious about this supposed red check on DBP - if it's fake, then that would be another mislynch that is easy to push through and leaves town in a bad place on MyLo. I think DBP is town because he was voted a lot at the beginning of the phase. Scum is in such a good position right now that they don't need to bus, and unless all of DBP's voters were town it is doubtful that DBP is scum. I'm going to vote Mikey because besides this redcheck nonsense I feel he was very opportunistic regarding Xiz, saying that he was likely a wolf but not taking a hard stance towards lynching him until it became opportunistic for him to do so.
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So Mikey, Haku, Dusk, and Bolth. Two of jessiebessie, ShadoWolfe, and MixMasterLar would have to be scum if DBP is scum. If Mikey's checks are true, that would leave DBP, Shadow, and jessie as the most likely scum team. The question is are these three compatible as partners?
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Actually Jessie is who I need to see more of, she needs to start taking hard stances on issues and make effort. |
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I'm starting to question my unfunded gut read of Haku
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Right now I'm digging up things from jessiebessie's end to see if she is a potential member of the scumteam.
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I notice a lot of her posts last day were shading Haku, MML, and Bolth, and most of her D1 interactions are with people who have flipped town. Just something interesting. Okay, looking through her ISO, she doesn't interact with Ulle/Shado at all, she barely interacts with DBP, I see a lot of minor pushes on users but not really committing to anything, and she isn't even commenting on some important thread events. jessiebessie reads like a scum who is comfortable with the direction the thread is heading in and is content to let town destroy themselves. |
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I wanted to lynch xiz day 1, stopped when they claimed PR, and stopped again yesterday when I realized we literally didn't have to lynch the slot to resolve it |
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I find it interesting that both of them were using DBP to help their pushes. Considering Xiz was town, it could be that they wanted to take advantage of a town player's incorrect reads, or maybe it was a more coordinated move. Considering no wolves have died yet, I wouldn't ignore the possibility of a coordinated wolf team. A lot of other posts from them were tunneling me, Xiz, and psychoangel to a lesser extent as well as clashing with Mikey. No mention of jessie. I am like 90% sure jessie and this slot are wolf partners but I'll look at Shado's ISO before making further conclusions. |
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I think Jess is the perfect utr scum partner so I’m fine with a lynch there
Are we going to be able to resolve the dbp/ffa thing here? Is there any pro town reason why ffa would fake a claim like that? If its true then we need to vote dbp, but why the hesitancy to hardclaim a red check? That’s what I don’t understand |
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Right... So how’s that different to what xiz did? |
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I think it would have been really hard to move forward with the game without doing that. Even at this point, I don't understand half of his game. |
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I mean, someone provide me with an argument as to why Shado and jessie are not partners, because it is not looking good. |
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is shado/jess/dbp a compatible team iyo?
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contributing without actually contributing
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great. you should vote dbp
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also I'm back for the night. just wanna share real quick that I realized while tucking the kids in that the boy had gotten ahold of the tablet passcode and charged my card $50 for a shitty minecraft clone :O
kthx for listening |
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Apparently my post on DBP "requires moderator approval", so who knows if we'll see it. Anyway, I think the evidence that DBP is paired with Shado and jessie isn't as strong as the evidence that the latter two are paired with each other. There are some major red flags with the DBP/jessie pairing, though the fact that DBP has yet to show up means I can't make a judgement on whether DBP is setting up jessie for a lynch or if he plans to divert attention away from her. DBP does admittedly have many wolfy moments of his own though.
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try to strip the post of links, or chop it up into multiple smaller posts
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wolfe, why were you not confident in jess last night
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only reason I backed off is 'cause she wasn't around to claim. though tbqh even if she does claim something today it doesn't help her fmpov unless she posts enough actual content to give me a decent readd. It's gonna be tough regardless 'cause I think FG's the only one who can confidently read her, and FG ain't around to do it. we could also just sheep FG's read on her from earlier and nuke the slot... |
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if jess doesn't show up again today do you give the slot another pass? what's the difference between today and yesterday? Why are you afraid to lynch the slot in case of claims, but then lynch the slot that actually did claim? |
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but you are going to give a concrete answer TODAY. There is zero chance I'm going to let you mislynch me and then tomorrow say "haha guys I was just bluffing!!" if I'm lynched, you are going to die tomorrow. period. any it looks like you almost let that happen already. |
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otherwise this reads as gloating |
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so yeah, are you gonna stick with that red check or not? do it, I fucking dare you
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hey there
I'm not claiming cop but if I am the cop, you're the one who's dead meat lol there's no reason for me to reaction test this your answer is always the same, so why bother |
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honestly, I've got you trapped
if I'm a wolf, I locked myself into dying in lylo if I'm town, either you die today or you're forced to nk me and get lynched tomorrow anyway just give it up, it's okay |
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If you're going to pretend like you seered me red, I'm going to have your head on a pike for pushing a mislynch. If I die then we might be in LYLO tomorrow. You are going to try to weasel your way out of dying tomorrow if you're successful because you're too much a pussy to commit to this fakeclaim right now. So come on, do it. I dare you. |
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Come on FFA fucking hardclaim your red check, otherwise formally rescind it. Otherwise you are literally wasting everyone's time and/or hard-wolfing right now.
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yeah, you're right
of course you aren't going to give up |
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Are you standing by your red check on me? If you reply yes then you're not allowed to change your answer later |
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if I am the cop you've been redchecked |
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If you want to lynch me build a fucking case like someone who actually plays this game instead of doing this wishy-washy bullshit. TBH I'm actually like mad that you almost got me killed before I showed up literally just by lying to everyone. That is not ok. |
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anyway, I'm gonna catch some sleep. We can chat tomorrow as well. Try not to panic while outted
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FFA just to demonstrate how full of shit you are. It's too late to take back your redcheck claim. Die |
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Why would a wolf suicide themselves by calling a red check on someone ?
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if jess doesn't show up today? like at all? idk man she better, that's the whole point of giving her a chance to come in. if she doesn't, she becomes the default lynch unless we're certain of someone else. is a modkill too much to pray for in that case? anyway "but then lynch the slot that actually did claim" you act like you weren't shading him as much as the rest. I at least starting buying what he was selling close to the end there, but had no good options. to answer your question though, Xiz had already used his shot, so utility wise he was as valuable as vanilla. and he had made such a clusterfuck of thread that keeping him alive seemed like it had become either stupid or dangerous. nobody wanted to lynch duskfall, and the Xiz wagon composition seemed appealing. it had my only diehard townread, the claimed cop, and DBP, who seemed to be onto something and said he wasn't seeing what I was seeing in Xiz' changed attitude. by the time I'd decided to go Xiz over jesse, the wagons were close to decided, so its not like I tipped the scales in any way anyhow. then bolth votes and my vote becomes a total token vote (hammer), which is why it's lightweight funny anyone's taking my name on the wagon as me steering it. especially since its that and simultaneously my "lack of thread presence", which is either a contradiction or I'm a god |
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"Hey guys I'm a cop. But I'm not going to actually CLAIM cop until everybody else except me claims. But trust me I'm cop and you should lynch this guy!!" what an absolute mad lad. |
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After the Xiz lynch who was the most likely lynch today? Either jessie or me, I guess. I'll have to check that again. But if it's a FFA/jessie team, my guess is that Jessie is a powerful role and FFA is a one-shot/useless role and FFA is actively protecting/deflecting away from a Jessie lynch to buy an extra phase with MY lynch, and FFA knows he's gonna die but at least it's not Jessie, a strong wolf PR. He would be trading himself to protect the Jessie slot, and in doing so ALSO gets a free lynch on a prominent townie. ---Other than that, in the early phase it looked like I was going to die instantly but he never actually FORMALLY CLAIMED. Like I brought up earlier, all he has to do is "lol guys it was just a test! you guys lynched him!! I wasn't actually hardclaiming!!" to get out of his lie. Since tomorrow potentially is LYLO, all he would need to do is convince ONE OF YOU that he's not a wolf... pocket someone, stir doubt, etc. But for fuck's sake he's lying and he's too afraid to admit that he's lying because he know it will make him look bad. I am trying to force FFA to formally commit to/rescind his fakeclaim so that I can nail him to the cross or otherwise move the fuck on. |
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who doesn't love mylo mylo in this game means we've gotten somewhere so much better than lylo or like, just lo. that's the worst. now can you respond to my other post responding to you? I want your thoughts on the record so it doesn't get lumped into general shade later lmao |
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Like are you suggesting we massclaim this phase? It sounds like that's what you actually want. I'm not opposed to it but I'm going to make you say those words yourself instead of being a coward and skirting around the issue
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My main concern is if this is a meme T/T.
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If he's town and he sticks with his claim that is literally the worst play of all time on this site. It actually makes more sense for a wolf FFA to do this with reasons I said above. |
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I feel like this is just delaying the phase and wasting time.
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You dont get to announce we're "nuking the wagon"but then act like you were totally scumreading xiz when it suits your case You don't get to have this both ways |
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Considering next phase is 4:3 (assuming mislynch), I think it's fair to have a claim that decides something especially if it directly leads to a lynch.
So, even with 1/10 of my mental brain power I think if there's a Cop, they should claim now. Even if you stay hidden one more day, you could die tomorrow over a fake claim and lose the game anyway. |
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If he's wolf he just needs this mislynch and one more phase to talk himseld out and it's game. "I wont hardclaim" is pretty much just an out for when he's wrong. If he really was a PR and wanted a massclaim then would just hardclaim and fuck DBP right now |
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DBP is raising some good points, especially in #2057.
I'm trying to think of what we benefit by a half-claim vs a real one and am drawing a blank. If its red, its red. If not, then don't bet the game on a meme. Also don't know if a massclaim is advisable yet. It feels a bit soon, though I can't say for sure 'cause I haven't been in the right state of mind to bash my head against the setup yet. It's becoming quickly unavoidable, though not tonight. way too zoned out to give it a fair shot |
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Duskfall/FFA/Bolth.
A reasonable wolf team ? |
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FFA This comes off as PR hunting more then solving. |
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Oh i knew Xiz was a bad idea Oh did we keep him alive until F3? Well i said he was a wolf! Lynch him I might have a red check on DBP he dies 100% Oh he was green bro i was hypocopping Did you make a solid point? I said something about wine remember? What can I say? I'm an agreeable guy |
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leaving Xiz alive until endgame would be a recipe for... literally this. And FFA in particular "had Xiz as 95% wolf" BUT STILL wanted to save him for later |
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Dusk and Bolt are both in weird spots atm. Bolt's posts got better and dusk's got worse over the course of the game
bolt directly calling out dusk could be a distancing attempt sure, but there's little incentive for them to do that when they could just capitalize on Xiz or w/e instead of drawing attention to themselves |
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I feel like wolf team is getting a bit greedy because of how the game went well so far for them. They're also all Xiz votes unsurprisingly. |
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I know this is silly, but I think if a 2nd town voted DBP, this phase would have been over.
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I feel like real town players wouldn't have escalated the DBP voting to L-1 that fast mindlessly.
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I just meme pressure joined FFA first DBP voter because lol pressure then the others joined and I was like wut-
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Well, I'm going to get some precious sleep.
I owe an apology to Xiz and I have to forgive the guy for being a poor sport. I have Funny going "Welcome to Haku" and now DBP that goes "not even Hakulyte would do that". I get it. I'll do an effort this phase. |
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Bolth early game felt pure, now he feels like he has an agenda Dusk early game felt fake. now he still kinda feels fake but at least he's been consistent in his la la la I'm so towny la la la I don't have reads that does need to change, but its oddly comforting having that as the only constant in the rest of this zany mess |
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