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top read until a few minutes ago was helphelp as wolf, he was in commentary mode for most of the game until he voted another player (forget who) for not answering a question --- and when I gave him pressure he dropped the vote without resistance

but his recent interaction with Charu doesn't fit because he actually seems to be interested in this notion of "playing a character" as it pertains to Charu (though I don't remember where his actual vote is)

I want to see his actual reads list before pounding hard in any direction

other than that I think Xel is projecting town, and yes it's true that it could all be artificial as you say, but I don't see it yet --- not opposed to the idea, it will become apparent over time what's really going on I think

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That said, this is about as aggressive as it ever gets

and there's no synthesis going on with this line of reasoning either

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I'm having trouble telling the newbies apart, they ought to make more of a presence to distinguish themselves

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Re: TWG CXLIX: Cedolad Replaces Out GAME THREAD
 

(Spacing makes this post big, which is why I put it in a spoiler.)

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I...

Re: TWG CXLIX: Cedolad Replaces Out GAME THREAD
 

Okay bucko, I think I see how you're thinking and for that, you're no longer pah-pah-wolfy.

You're still an IDIOT though.

Hee hee heeeeeee

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helphelp i noticed you left out dbp, what's your read on him or did i miss something?

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gn

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Also Post 763 you were explaining how charu was breaking character and reading that, I got the impression that it was making you have a red lean on charu (or at least contributed). After that, tiloco said it wasn't alignment indicative and you hadn't mentioned it since. Did you give up that idea because tiloco said that because you didn't mention it your reads list; you only mentioned that you didn't like how charu reacted to you and the charu/ben interaction. The bit about the character is interesting to me considering you have all of your red leans on people that play characters.

Re: TWG CXLIX: Cedolad Replaces Out GAME THREAD
 

dude i'm really tired i'm considering

Re: TWG CXLIX: Cedolad Replaces Out GAME THREAD
 

dfr, try to enter a mindset that is completely narrow and going for the super obvious displays.

Re: TWG CXLIX: Cedolad Replaces Out GAME THREAD
 

Once there, step in a certain players view and bam.

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okay, even then i don't see how you award a town lean for that. are you essentially saying he's going for low hanging fruit?

Re: TWG CXLIX: Cedolad Replaces Out GAME THREAD
 

although i might be misunderstanding you, i interpreted what you said like 3 different ways lol

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Shoot, I meant dbp instead of dfr. You fall under the rzr category, in which there's nothing indicative of you being town nor wolf.

I still feel that he slipped on his character a bit, which intrigues me. Also, I guess that the wolf leans are a coincidence; I considered putting reuben (who, is Ben, I guess?) in the "very slight wolf lean" category because of the possibility that he was forcing it with Charu.

Re: TWG CXLIX: Cedolad Replaces Out GAME THREAD
 

I knew that your read of me was far too awarding xD

Follow up question, do you think Charu/Ben are potentially partners?

Re: TWG CXLIX: Cedolad Replaces Out GAME THREAD
 

Are you serious right now?



Heheh

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Hooo, weeee.

You idiot.

Re: TWG CXLIX: Cedolad Replaces Out GAME THREAD
 

I'm saying he's taking things literally and forming opinions on said literal interactions.

It's quite funny now that I see it.

Re: TWG CXLIX: Cedolad Replaces Out GAME THREAD
 

There is a slim chance, but other than that, I don't think they are.

Re: TWG CXLIX: Cedolad Replaces Out GAME THREAD
 

It's getting late, so later.

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gn

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Page 39 is cancer

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Literal cancer

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Let me iterate where I'm at for the sake of sharing

1. rzr - who are you again
2. Red Blaster - who are you again
4. Vendetta21
5. XelNya this guy. fuck this guy. scum.
6. Xiz - who are you again
7. DaBackPack - shut up and take my town lean for now. You been playin' hard townie and if I have to explain how he's been doing this to anyone, just go reread his goddamned post history.
8. Hakulyte - who are you again
9. cedolad - huh, you haven't replaced out yet.
10. botchi246 - who are you again
12. reuben_tate - who are you again
13. Charu - I wanna entertain the notion you're SK because that'd be fitting, but very easily wrong. I highly doubt it, but man oh man, I'd be mad. lol yer prob town tho
14. tiloco217 - alright entrance, wanna see where you go with it
15. danceflashrevo - who are you again
16. helphelp11 - who are you again
17. Sinistrosuede - who are you again
18. _Zenith_ - get back in here yah bastard, I wanna mess with you a bit
19. SKG_Scintill - who are you again

you know why I post this?

as a demonstration that, for the most part, a lot of us ain't doing shit worth mentioning

including myself

Zenith you little bitch come in here and do me a thing or two would you?

I wanna clear me out some easy clears before I get forced to vote while at work with minimal reading

I wanna see if benguin and haku got an input as well~

Also scin gonna ask

you got any thoughts on anything to share

Re: TWG CXLIX: Cedolad Replaces Out GAME THREAD
 

Okay I think you're clear

danceflashrevo

Gonna lend Charu my vote for now

Re: TWG CXLIX: Cedolad Replaces Out GAME THREAD
 

In before v makes some tone read post about how I literally just piled nulls into a list and said hey we all suck let's suck less

Re: TWG CXLIX: Cedolad Replaces Out GAME THREAD
 

Wait I just took a mini uneducated shot at v

well shit

Re: TWG CXLIX: Cedolad Replaces Out GAME THREAD
 

Ahh the classic vendetta21 empty read. A nice touch on your shit reads list.

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Well here's the rub, it's that you have self-awareness of your behavior but no cognitive dissonance about acting in a way that is clearly not beneficial. Not following why you think what you think and where this anger arises from

Are you angry at yourself? Angry at all of us for a problem you're contributing

You're not stuck in traffic XelNya, you ARE traffic

Re: TWG CXLIX: Cedolad Replaces Out GAME THREAD
 

Didn't know leaving it blank would make you that mad

I'm uh, not angry. Quite distanced from it actually.

But I fail to comprehend how I alone am the traffic when I see a six car pile up though.

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Bolded is me

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Oh hey, I'm back. XelNya, what are you trying to do with this game?

Re: TWG CXLIX: Cedolad Replaces Out GAME THREAD
 

Vendetta, have you thought of ways that we could make the others interact so we can start gathering information in a more efficient way? I don't like the whole "wait it out and see what happens" aspect of this game. It's been providing too little content. I feel like we need to do slightly more aggressive things to make the game progress.

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You will never get every person to talk. That is impossible. You need to be pointed. You are searching for a needle in a haystack of words. When you find that needle, you hone in on that, you make it your big focus. Push on that person who said one weird sentence repeatedly. Use a tone and force to try to make them respond to your questions.

What usually makes people respond is making your language forceful and clear enough that other people will agree with you. As soon as they respond, respond back. Just keep poking that issue until you are convinced one way or the other.

You don't need to find 12 wolves, you need to find one. Eliminating a few suspects via townreads is useful, but you only have one vote per day, and thus only need to find one wolf per day. You're never going to get 100% clarity on all players until they are all dead.

Re: TWG CXLIX: Cedolad Replaces Out GAME THREAD
 

I'm going to miss the EoD due to work tomorrow.

I guess the last relevant thing I should try to do tonight is to vote for someone.

Why are you priorizing your vote on DFR over other potential votes V?

Re: TWG CXLIX: Cedolad Replaces Out GAME THREAD
 

nvm, I iso'd and you don't need to explain.

danceflashrevo

gn

Re: TWG CXLIX: Cedolad Replaces Out GAME THREAD
 

Because I have 24 hours to kill someone and I have extended a modicum of trust to Charu who is doing work for me

Re: TWG CXLIX: Cedolad Replaces Out GAME THREAD
 

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Re: TWG CXLIX: Cedolad Replaces Out GAME THREAD
 

forgot to add

"If I was mad I would have tried very hard to make you feel bad about yourself because I am a sociopath in this game."

Not sure if sociopath is the right word though.

"This doesn't match your choice of tone. Also I was stating you are complaining about something you are actively contributing to, which makes me wonder why you didn't just try to act in a way that corrects the problem rather than posting a crappy white noise reads list. I don't see anything you've done as making an effort to change the problem you perceive."

I understood what you meant, except the point of me changing my tone. That "white noise" reads list is somewhat in line with my posting style this game from my pov, I don't understand how it doesn't match.

I specifically didn't use the word null and opted for "who are you anyways" to keep my sarcastic tone in line with the rest of my posts. Pinging out Zenith even goes in line with my tone this game as I did it earlier in game as well.

I don't understand how you arrived at the conclusion of my tone.

I surely am thinking a little too biased.

Re: TWG CXLIX: Cedolad Replaces Out GAME THREAD
 

A little bit of a redo. I was being dumb earlier. I did get a little lazy near the end due to getting tired tho admittedly.

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I can easily answer that one for him. It doesn't match because he doesn't read your content, he reads your intents and they're out of sync with your other posts.

Like if you take me by example, I may constantly post in different ways, but I'm always posting with the intent to make the game progress. You can always question me about "how is this relevant to game progression" and I should have an answer for you.

What does it changes? It creates a consistency with my behavior and it's easier to trust me and get on my side or paint me as the evil guy and confidently vote against me. Trust is important because you need it to eventually group up with the other players and proceed to do a proper scumhunt without constantly worrying about being the target yourself.

Since you're "playing dumb" it's invariably keeping you "Null" at best and may give you a "Scum" lean because of the lack of productive content.

Your play is very similar to Charu's play in terms of aggression/content, but with Charu, there's eventually has to be a "productive" reason as to why he does what he's doing. He can't entirely go crazy the entire game blindly because we "will" have to lynch him for not helping the game enough objectively. In your case, it's harder to defend you because we don't understand why someone Town would play like you do intent-wise.

Another point, (that's not for you, but the game in general) - I don't think "It's Day 1" can justify everything. I also think that newbies should get targeted if there's enough reason to do so. They should still have the upper hand in the sense that while they don't know our meta, we don't know their metas either. So, they can ask players with game experience to help them against the other experienced players, but they can't get isolated and pinned down if they don't dramatically slip or get suspicious. We will eventually get reads on them and that's probably why generally we don't lynch them Day 1. However, if there's enough stuff piled up against one of them, they should get lynched just like everyone.

E.g: Sinistrosuede it's nearly impossible to read because we don't know how to interpret his meta yet.

I'm doing this because I'm pocketed to you. Basically, if you take the time to explain your intents and you do are Town, the truth(or at least our perception of what is really going on in the game) should eventually clear you up.

The only reason why I want to believe in you is because your behavior is being inconsistent so, technically speaking, you really still could have rolled your alignment either way.

If you can't even explain to us why you're Town tho, you're going to get in serious trouble very soon.

Actually, EVERYONE in this thread should try to post and answer this question:

"Why are you Town?"

The longer your post, the better.

Fake Edit: Your new read list by example is clearly showing us that you had a "change of intent" and it's a lot more Town-looking than your previous post. Can you explain us why these contrasts in your tone is happening XelNya? If you answer this question in a satisfactory way, you can gain trust from it. So, you do have a reason to take it seriously.

Re: TWG CXLIX: Cedolad Replaces Out GAME THREAD
 

Actually, now that I've read your second read list entirely, you literally went from 0/10 to like 9/10 in terms of "fucks given". I'll gladly help you out if there's something you want me to do or give you thoughts about. Thanks for not making me regret wanting to pocket you after that Vendetta x XelNya talk right before this that kind of made you look bad tbh. This is probably your most redeeming post so far. Thank you for playing this game right.

Re: TWG CXLIX: Cedolad Replaces Out GAME THREAD
 

Also, I'm going to work in 1 hour.
I will not be able to come back before EoD.

That's important because people always starts getting more active close to EoD and if someone has something against me, I will not be able to be here to defend myself.

Re: TWG CXLIX: Cedolad Replaces Out GAME THREAD
 

XelNya, your "reuben_tate" vote doesn't count because it's in a spoiler tag. If you actually want to vote someone, you have to post it without it being in a spoiler tag.

I learned this in a previous game. >:

Re: TWG CXLIX: Cedolad Replaces Out GAME THREAD
 

My time is now up for Day 1.

gl with EoD guys, I can't post anymore gtg.

Re: TWG CXLIX: Cedolad Replaces Out GAME THREAD
 

Xel, why switch to a reuben vote from Zenith? I thought you didn't like Zenith the most this game because of the "new players should not be ignored" thing.

Re: TWG CXLIX: Cedolad Replaces Out GAME THREAD
 

Was it because you ended pressuring him, as it was most likely night for him and he wouldn't respond?

Re: TWG CXLIX: Cedolad Replaces Out GAME THREAD
 

yo just woke up whatcha need?

Re: TWG CXLIX: Cedolad Replaces Out GAME THREAD
 

wait really I missed 7 pages and that was it?????

wow.

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That's uh, actually news to me because I've read the rules a few times, and I don't think I've ever seen it in there.

and upon a quick re-skim via search and quick glance it's not in there

so, that's not a rule and therefore if it doesn't count the host is full of it

And the OP doesn't say otherwise either

So uh, either the rule thread needs to be updated *HINT HINT* or that's just not an actual rule

and yes I am in fact 100% content being that guy.

But someone is gonna say it's more an unspoken rule so here

Reuben_Tate

It's not like I was trying to hide my vote, and I don't even understand the intent of such a rule in the first place tbh.

but w/e. Side tangent done.

I don't like it when anyone does it

But it seems to be a moot thing, so why continue with it?

I can camp the crap out of it for the whole game, but it's not as productive. Might as well move on to other things.

Dank reads and memes is what I needs

Re: TWG CXLIX: Cedolad Replaces Out GAME THREAD
 

Reads really haven't changed

I was interested in Xiz's theory about the people I wanted to ping, and it seems valid, but he'll be assured wrong when the time comes

helphelp is a bit sketch imo and likewise to dfr so perhaps those reads changed slightly

V-DBP is interesting and deserves the reread before EoD and again during the next day phase because it can yield more information as night develops

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I disagree that it was a change of intent

The intent of that "white noise" reads list was to publicly state where I was in the game.

Then V said something about it and it annoyed me so I went and did some rereading

and I discovered I was being really dumb. There was more to work with than what I thought.

I got what I needed out of posting it. It served a purpose, I'm happy to have said it.

Wanna say I probably don't think that through when posting.

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Re: TWG CXLIX: Cedolad Replaces Out GAME THREAD
 

quoting because this is important

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Re: TWG CXLIX: Cedolad Replaces Out GAME THREAD
 

I'm not really sure about what to do about tonight

Re: TWG CXLIX: Cedolad Replaces Out GAME THREAD
 

Did I mention that I totally hate no-cardflips?

Re: TWG CXLIX: Cedolad Replaces Out GAME THREAD
 

Xel is easy town now. There's no way if he was mafia he would make a post about how he actually is posting with a consistent tone and then post something completely different. Also that reads list has enough care in it to make him town on it's own. Doesn't actually help me a whole lot though since I already had him as town by association.

I think I'm going to have to let DBP go for today because I don't have the time (or probably the experience) to put enough pressure on him to really determine his alignment and he seems to be in quite a few town circles atm.

Unfortunately that puts me in a position where all I have is town reads going into EOD and I don't have enough time to put pressure on people.

Re: TWG CXLIX: Cedolad Replaces Out GAME THREAD
 

I have no idea how to fix the vote counter, and neither does anyone I've asked so I'll be doing good ol' manual counting aorn

Re: TWG CXLIX: Cedolad Replaces Out GAME THREAD
 

its registering votes that are in bold (these will never be counted don't worry about changing your voting) but isn't picking up anything in the [twgv] tags.

If anyone has an ideas on how to fix this, I'd appreciate it.

Vote Count
 

Votes from post 4 to post 862
Night in 4:24:56
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• Votes -- Lynch -- Voters
• 3 -- danceflashrevo -- Charu (161), Vendetta21 (45), Hakulyte (59)
• 3 -- helphelp11 -- DaBackpack (95), SKG_Scintill (18), Xiz (27)
• 1 -- Sinistrosuede -- danceflashrevo (33)
• 1 -- XelNya -- Red Blaster (10)
• 1 -- reuben_tate -- XelNya (69)
• 1 -- SKG_Scintill -- rzr (78)
• 3 -- unvote -- _Zenith_ (71), helphelp11 (52), reuben_tate (31)
• 4 -- not voting -- botchi246 (20), cedolad (65), Sinistrosuede (3), tiloco217 (16)

Re: TWG CXLIX: Cedolad Replaces Out GAME THREAD
 

If this is not correct, please let me know asap

Re: TWG CXLIX: Cedolad Replaces Out GAME THREAD
 

So

Re: TWG CXLIX: Cedolad Replaces Out GAME THREAD
 

where's the fire?

come back and make posts or else you won't make the quota

Re: TWG CXLIX: Cedolad Replaces Out GAME THREAD
 

[twgv]red blaster [\twgv]

May / may not be back for eod. Work is hell.

Re: TWG CXLIX: Cedolad Replaces Out GAME THREAD
 

.....

red blaster

Re: TWG CXLIX: Cedolad Replaces Out GAME THREAD
 

Fuckin phone.

Re: TWG CXLIX: Cedolad Replaces Out GAME THREAD
 

Okay, so here’s my read on things:

rzr – town
cedolad - town
_Zenith_ - town
SKG_Scintill – town
Charu – most convo, soft play, town?
Vendetta21 – aggressive play, no read
Hakulyte - wants more aggressive play, no read
XelNya – projecting town? Not sure
DaBackpack – if mafia, Xel is town (based on back and forths)
danceflashrevo – potential scum read
helphelp11 – tries to pressure, tries to save face, scum read

Otherwise, no reads.

Sooo based on the whole being-a-bit-quick-on-changing-back-and-forth thing, helphelp11 is my vote.

Re: TWG CXLIX: Cedolad Replaces Out GAME THREAD
 

I would like to see pressure on DBP. I have a few mixed reads, and pressuring him might clear those up more.

Re: TWG CXLIX: Cedolad Replaces Out GAME THREAD
 

Dat original tag doe.

Re: TWG CXLIX: Cedolad Replaces Out GAME THREAD
 

Any reads on Red Blaster, Xiz, botchi, reuben, or tiloco or are they just null?

EOD Vote Count
 

Votes from post 0 to post 0
Night in 0:00:28
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• Votes -- Lynch -- Voters
• 3 -- danceflashrevo -- Charu (161), Vendetta21 (45), Hakulyte (59)
• 3 -- helphelp11 -- DaBackpack (97), SKG_Scintill (18), Xiz (27)
• 1 -- Sinistrosuede -- danceflashrevo (33)
• 1 -- XelNya -- Red Blaster (10)
• 1 -- SKG_Scintill -- rzr (78)
• 1 -- Red Blaster -- XelNya (72)
• 3 -- unvote -- _Zenith_ (71), helphelp11 (52), reuben_tate (31)
• 4 -- not voting -- botchi246 (20), cedolad (65), Sinistrosuede (3), tiloco217 (16)

:17 good :18 bad

Vote Count
 

Votes from post 4 to post 869
Night in 1:02:52
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• Votes -- Lynch -- Voters
• 3 -- danceflashrevo -- Charu (161), Vendetta21 (45), Hakulyte (59)
• 3 -- helphelp11 -- DaBackpack (97), SKG_Scintill (18), Xiz (27)
• 1 -- Sinistrosuede -- danceflashrevo (33)
• 1 -- XelNya -- Red Blaster (10)
• 1 -- SKG_Scintill -- rzr (78)
• 1 -- Red Blaster -- XelNya (72)
• 3 -- unvote -- _Zenith_ (71), helphelp11 (52), reuben_tate (31)
• 4 -- not voting -- botchi246 (20), cedolad (65), Sinistrosuede (3), tiloco217 (16)

Vote Count
 

Votes from post 4 to post 875
Night in 0:59:55
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• Votes -- Lynch -- Voters
• 4 -- helphelp11 -- DaBackpack (97), SKG_Scintill (18), Xiz (27), Sinistrosuede (6)
• 3 -- danceflashrevo -- Charu (161), Vendetta21 (45), Hakulyte (59)
• 1 -- Sinistrosuede -- danceflashrevo (33)
• 1 -- XelNya -- Red Blaster (10)
• 1 -- SKG_Scintill -- rzr (78)
• 1 -- Red Blaster -- XelNya (72)
• 3 -- unvote -- _Zenith_ (71), helphelp11 (53), reuben_tate (31)
• 3 -- not voting -- botchi246 (20), cedolad (65), tiloco217 (16)

Re: TWG CXLIX: Cedolad Replaces Out GAME THREAD
 

WE SHOULD BE GOOD NOW
asdf

Re: TWG CXLIX: Cedolad Replaces Out GAME THREAD
 

Oooo

Re: TWG CXLIX: Cedolad Replaces Out GAME THREAD
 

Nothing seems to be happening so I'm going to just put this here dabackpack

Re: TWG CXLIX: Cedolad Replaces Out GAME THREAD
 

I'm here now