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Pozzai 02-6-2020 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Bootleg LordQuas (Post 4712806)
FFA is probably the correct lynch today but at the same time I really want a competing wagon for wagonomics

I think that train has left by now, the only way to really get meaningful competing wagons at the gamestate is making two wagons on not FFA, but it's a lost game if it's a misslynch and FFA is town essentially.

Creating a counterwagon now just means that at EoD, someone will jump from the counterwagon to FFA because he's 5/6 other players' top scum.

AragakiAyase 02-6-2020 07:06 PM

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queue dodged so I have 6 minutes

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Originally Posted by Bootleg LordQuas (Post 4712797)
I saw it more as assuring the lynch went through then anything

If they're both wolves they can do anything they want that eod anyways as neither are under pressure, prime distancing time

could be, that was my gut reaction though

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Originally Posted by Pozzai (Post 4712799)
As said, I kind of slightly believe FFA is towny, but he's dead in the waters unless he actually posts something of relevance, so I'm just letting him sink really.

I can't describe why outside his indignation(being the important word, he doesn't feel "caught for the wrong reasons") of being read scum, and his repeated attempts at taking credit day1 for a Dusk flip, which turned out to be town.

I dislike almost everything he says and does, and I have no idea how to read people's pushes on him, because I don't think they're actually "bad"

I do not like how easily you flipped on Charu as a potential partner on him though, because I think if I come into this day as his partner, I am sacking him, like always.
There's is close to 0 chance with the gamestate and people's points about FFA day1, that a team of FFA, X wins in F5, at that point if you're X, you go for the win in F3, and sack FFA while you still can get "credit" for being against him.

I will say that the flipping on Charu as FFA's partner, probably makes you very unlikely partner with FFA, as you essentially close off an avenue, or will have to majorly backtrack at some point.

@Quas the thing I was pondering earlier was #113 alongside a few of Raeko's other posts a bit before and after that.
If FFA flips scum, I think Raeko never talks to FFA like that as a partner.

My initial reason for scumreading charu with ffa was due to the classic "putting a partner at a slight scum read, but then not touching them". I didn't generally expect that people would bus FFA if he's wolf so charu railroading him suddenly caught me off guard. I do recall charu having a heavy bus meta though, so that's something to keep in mind. FFA flipping wolf doesn't clear charu by any means but the push does remove my initial sr of charu

Shadow_God_10 02-6-2020 07:06 PM

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Back on topic: I'm gonna have to hop on the lappy and get some reads while I'm caught up so give me a little bit.

Pozzai 02-6-2020 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Shadow_God_10 (Post 4712809)
Hot take would be FFA is wolf but as for his partner I honestly couldn't tell you

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Originally Posted by Shadow_God_10 (Post 4712810)
But then again I'm pretty sure this is the conclusion most of us have reached by now

Yeaaaaah, that's probably a lukewarm take at this point ;D

Why did you wait as long voting on Dusk day1 as you did? You seemed to think he wasn't town very early, but didn't actively vote till others had lead the way.

Bootleg LordQuas 02-6-2020 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Pozzai (Post 4712812)
I think that train has left by now, the only way to really get meaningful competing wagons at the gamestate is making two wagons on not FFA, but it's a lost game if it's a misslynch and FFA is town essentially.

Creating a counterwagon now just means that at EoD, someone will jump from the counterwagon to FFA because he's 5/6 other players' top scum.

oh the train has absoLUTEly left

but that's why I was on shadow

Bootleg LordQuas 02-6-2020 07:11 PM

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aight gonna eat some dinner and play board games

Shadow_God_10 02-6-2020 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Pozzai (Post 4712815)
Yeaaaaah, that's probably a lukewarm take at this point ;D

Why did you wait as long voting on Dusk day1 as you did? You seemed to think he wasn't town very early, but didn't actively vote till others had lead the way.

I didn't think I waited long? I'd have to check and see what time i voted vs how much time was left. I had to sit and think about the game he played previously and why it felt so off to me.

Shadow_God_10 02-6-2020 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Bootleg LordQuas (Post 4712816)
oh the train has absoLUTEly left

but that's why I was on shadow

Are you still on me for my EOD? Is that the only thing?

Pozzai 02-6-2020 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by AragakiAyase (Post 4712813)
My initial reason for scumreading charu with ffa was due to the classic "putting a partner at a slight scum read, but then not touching them". I didn't generally expect that people would bus FFA if he's wolf so charu railroading him suddenly caught me off guard. I do recall charu having a heavy bus meta though, so that's something to keep in mind. FFA flipping wolf doesn't clear charu by any means but the push does remove my initial sr of charu

In a FFA, X world (you can put me in if it helps you to have an actual person instead of a theoretical one) which two towns in a row do you see that world pushing that has any chance of succeeding?
You'd essentially have to hope at least one, if not both of the replacements are getting themselves killed, or that someone with a very strong voice and who's exceeding townread can push through two pushes without just outing themselves as a partner.

Pozzai 02-6-2020 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Shadow_God_10 (Post 4712818)
I didn't think I waited long? I'd have to check and see what time i voted vs how much time was left. I had to sit and think about the game he played previously and why it felt so off to me.

I don't know if it was "long" in terms of time, it was more that you somehow "convinced" (one?) other people(person?) to vote, before throwing your own.

Shadow_God_10 02-6-2020 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Pozzai (Post 4712821)
I don't know if it was "long" in terms of time, it was more that you somehow "convinced" (one?) other people(person?) to vote, before throwing your own.

I didn't even think of that tbh. In hindsight yeah, that looks really bad on my part but honestly if you gave me a time machine and asked me who I'd lynch yesterday, my answer would have still been Duskfall.

Shadow_God_10 02-6-2020 07:26 PM

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Okie dokie! on the laptop. Give me a bit and I'll get a reads list running

Pozzai 02-6-2020 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Shadow_God_10 (Post 4712823)
Okie dokie! on the laptop. Give me a bit and I'll get a reads list running

When done with that part, can you talk to me about a scumteam of Quas+Raeko, any reason why you can't see this, any reasons you can?

Shadow_God_10 02-6-2020 07:41 PM

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Bootleg_LordQuas- Extremely active and voices his opinions on literally anything and everything. Constantly tried to get answers out of FFA but to no avail. Feels town to me tbh

Mellon- Raeko's just doin' her thing here. I don't see anything off or unusual from her usual town playstyle. Town

FFA- extremely dismissive of questions being asked on him, and posts nothing of any relevance (i.e Codenames (somewhere on page 14 or 15)) and generally tries to dodge anything directed at him by shifting us elsewhere. Mucho Wolfo

Pozz- I've interacted with you a couple times since I've woken up, and I don't see anything unusual from you. I'd need another day to get a feel for you. Null/Town

Aragaki- I've literally only seen you play town in past games, so I don't know what your wolf play is. Whenever you're around the questions come flying around, which I like. Town lean

Bootleg LordQuas 02-6-2020 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Shadow_God_10 (Post 4712811)
Going a little off topic here: Am I the only one who legit thought Bootleg and LordQuas were two different people

I am an overpowering presence to many

Shadow_God_10 02-6-2020 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Pozzai (Post 4712825)
When done with that part, can you talk to me about a scumteam of Quas+Raeko, any reason why you can't see this, any reasons you can?

Mmmmm....I don't see it as a possibility, seeing as I know Raeko very well and I sort of have this...mental image of her cackling with margarita in hand as she casually steers us in the wrong direction to force town to implode. Also seeing as I've literally town read them both, I would look elsewhere at present. If the possibility comes up again nearing the endgame I would sooner consider Raeko as w than Quas based on how Quas has been playing

mellon_collie 02-6-2020 07:44 PM

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What does Quas stand for my brain keeps filling it in as Bootleg Quaaludes

mellon_collie 02-6-2020 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Shadow_God_10 (Post 4712828)
Mmmmm....I don't see it as a possibility, seeing as I know Raeko very well and I sort of have this...mental image of her cackling with margarita in hand as she casually steers us in the wrong direction to force town to implode. Also seeing as I've literally town read them both, I would look elsewhere at present. If the possibility comes up again nearing the endgame I would sooner consider Raeko as w than Quas based on how Quas has been playing

you have the wrong image of me entirely. I would have a glass of riesling

Shadow_God_10 02-6-2020 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Shadow_God_10 (Post 4712828)
Mmmmm....I don't see it as a possibility, seeing as I know Raeko very well and I sort of have this...mental image of her cackling with margarita in hand as she casually steers us in the wrong direction to force town to implode *if she were wolf, and I do not see that in her interactions*. Also seeing as I've literally town read them both, I would look elsewhere at present. If the possibility comes up again nearing the endgame I would sooner consider Raeko as w than Quas based on how Quas has been playing

I missed a part of what I was saying, the rest of it is in the asterisks

Shadow_God_10 02-6-2020 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by mellon_collie (Post 4712829)
What does Quas stand for my brain keeps filling it in as Bootleg Quaaludes

I imagined a bootleg Lord Farquad from Shrek, but that's just me


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