Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [GAME THREAD]
 

Lar, I was recently in the same position you were in
You know what I did?
I accepted the lynch, gave reads, and knew it wasn't personal

This lynch is literally free, and if you flip green, I will not feel bad
and its got nothing to do with you or how you played
and everything to do with how the game has progressed

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [GAME THREAD]
 

If u still don't understand, the wolf, if it is not u, has given town an extra lynch
to not use it on u would be a mistake given that there wasn't a nightkill last night

now, town has 3 chances at finding the wolf, instead of 2
seems like a pretty good situation to me

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [GAME THREAD]
 

like all seriousness

if I am in that group at all

you should know i won't feel bad

ever

for like, most anything

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [GAME THREAD]
 

Don't Insta me and let me have the chance to get reads out and do some work and in return I promise to be a good sport about it.

Legit tho I'm town so you need to keep on keeping on in establishing a lynch order

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [GAME THREAD]
 

Rereading now

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [GAME THREAD]
 

Most of Day One either doesn't seem to matter of is filled with towns/people who replaced out. A few things that caught my eye so far:

In relation to SunFan and Jessie
When asked why by Enquisit:
This and my fued with Funny are about the only serious things in the first half of the game and that whole Lar v Funny ordeal reads like a waste of space now.


This looks better on the reread.

Also some wolf/wolf interactions:


Which Roundbox calls out

And Shadow God's response has a little more of a defensive tone in it

I don't think 3 wolves make this conversation happen, and it makes me feel like Roundbox is never a wolf. We'll see if this feeling last but honestly it looks pretty solid with hindsight

Also Antori drops a reads that no one had to beg for within like his first 5 posts

....they are still not super good.

Normally town Antori has to be prodded for reads so I wonder if this is him over thinking wolf or if he's evolving his game.

Knowing that at least 2 wolves are posting pretty recently his last bit about hoping half the game doesn't get nuked doesn't seem like him lamenting that his partners are gonna get trashed, and that skews him a little positive


Still reading day one. Here with my neighbor who he gets a CT Scan. Have to help him out with stuff but there's a lot of downtime so I'm sure I'll get through the whole game today

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [GAME THREAD]
 

TL DR

Roundbox looks town before we reach d0's EoD

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [GAME THREAD]
 

Known wolf defending antori, saying his play is similar to scum play but defending him all the same?
But I read that game in real time and I don't know if I even agree that it's similar Antori play though.

I'm....gonna leave this here. At the time I defended it but right after Shadows defense it kind of reads differently. Is that just on me? you decide

Then DBP happens

This was correct

This was correct
Yet to be seen, but worth pointing out and also (sorta) ties into something in a bit

In response to Shadow God who he ends up voting for and is a wolf

In response to me defending Antori.

We then get into a fight about my unvote, who the aggressor was in Lar v Funny, and my disapproval on him waiting until the 11th hour to try and solve everything.

He concludes

Myself, Funny, Hate, Roundbox all fairly active. He actually makes this post as Roundbox is still giving thoughts. If he is right about wolves sitting back watching that makes Roundbox look good.

He then votes a wolf

We get final votes

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [GAME THREAD]
 

TL DR

DBP Comes in, calls 2 town's lock towns, calls me just a town, and endorses Roundbox. He then states that the other wolves are in the d0 inactive doing EoD

Do we sheep DBP all the way? I was already thinking Roundbox was town so I'm willing to.

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [GAME THREAD]
 

First half of Day 2 is a bunch of fucking cleared town's talking amongst themselves and it's so obvious the wolves are playing UTR it makes me want to throw up

First post by someone in question...
...and it's to disagree with the nightkill when it was a pretty obvious nightkill both at the time and way more now. Imagine being the wolf and seeing DBP come in and start wrecking house like that. Dude was a goddamn machine.

Most of Xel's post this phase are either jokes or don't add much.

Next post by a person in question (obviously not counting me, for clarity' s sake I will be referring to me ad a confirmed town since there's no reason to care about any of this if I flip wolf) is like halfway through the phase by Pyschoangel, and it's her first beefy post of the game.

That last bit is about Shadow talking about Antori.

Bit on Shadow is all hindsight readings and Kayla didn't even vote. Could be an attempt to make it seemed like she had more of a pulse on the game then she really does. Not a huge fan

This comment along with the Cocoa vote when a wolf could have joined me in voting zenith pretty much clears the slot in hindsight

More town talking to town and shit.

Pyschoangel checks in

Antori finally post his only post of the day, an hour before Funny hammers at SunFan's request

Annnnnnnnnd final vote count



Assuming SunFan was on to something about the wolves just sitting out, Cloud_Wine/Precarious makes no post this phase, neither does Roundbox, Antori made one and I'd say Pyschoangel and Xel are probably tied content wise, but Xel is around a hell if a lot more.

Roundbox spent the phase driving and could have probably made EoD if not for the hammer. In rereading the thread i think right now he's probably still town and it's extremely unfair to lump him in with Antori and Could Wine

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [GAME THREAD]
 

why was funnygurl an obvious nightkill "then and now"
I disagree with both of those conclusions

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [GAME THREAD]
 

ah, my b, I got the days mixed up
yeah, DBP was an obvious nightkill don't mind me

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [GAME THREAD]
 

TL DR most of phase was confirmed town being town. Insta probably robbed us if seeing who would actually try to make a solid EoD. Antori makes one post and checks out not commenting on anything (which is sus) and Pyschoangel's shadow God read deals with a bunch of stuff not really game related and is all hindsight anyway with no prior backing (which is more sus to me)

Subaru gets a solid town slot that i can't read as anything else rn

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [GAME THREAD]
 

Doctor visit over sooner then expected, driving now. Will continue later this afternoon

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [GAME THREAD]
 

how did u get here?

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [GAME THREAD]
 

Letting the days go by
Let the water hold me down
Letting the days go by
There is water underground
Into the blue again
After the money's gone
Under the rocks and stones
There is water underground

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [GAME THREAD]
 

First off I just listened to that song; its one of my favs

Second, Enqusit's vote on Dragon with the power of hindsight. Kinda of....what I said in my big post?


Back and continuing to read

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [GAME THREAD]
 

D3.

This day phase there was a lot of SunFan, Xiz and Roundbox taking shots at each other and it all reads as three towns with no leads trying to make reads. I'm there for half the phase drunk and I miss EoD because I lost track of time playing Overwatch. I don't quote a lot of what happens because it all either is at now confirmed towns or are proddings that lead to dead ends. Maybe I've just convinced myself at this point that Roundbox is a miss but I can't read any of his post as deep wolf.

Xel is consistently around even though he doesn't do much but get angry with Antori and I think that's a good look for him.


Proof I was not the only one who assumed Funny was the shot, since the idea that I am becomes such a sticking point

This is followed by a bunch of nothing followed by a bunch of near nothing.

Xel outs his role and actually contributes to the game in a pretty significant way here. I intentionally hold on to the fact that this could be faked or he could roll this as wolf and is trying to gain town cred, but looking back we know that he kills Antori the next night phase if he's wolf every time and probably holds off making a claim altogether. WolfXel legit has no business making this post ever.

I think at this point I remove Xel from the possible lynch candidates
This is a pretty weak comback for Psychoangel. She was around for the start of the day but basically posts "whoa" and this is what we get hours in.

The Xiz bit at the end is a shitpost and there's a long bit where Xi gets riled up about it that wastes everyone's time.

Her first reads of the day basically repeat herself from the last phase, talking about Shadow God being on Equisit. Antori read is standard Antori read

I'll just put the rest of her reads under spoilers for reference since I don't have that much to add to them



So this slip

Charu would tell me never to trust slips and I really wasn't present enough to catch this but

Yo that's kind of a slip I'm not sure Wolf Antori could really make

Anyway, Xiz and Psycho get to go at it.


Psychoangel shots back, most of this doesn't seem to matter in hindsight but that last point she makes---

Like yo, at this point it took her 3 phases to do reads. The criticism is fine, even if it's a bit unfair because of the OT stuff

But then this happens:


Xiz has literally been in a 3 way with Sun and Round most all the phase, you can go ISO Xiz's post if you want (This post is long enough as is) if you don't want to take my word for it but this is just not matching up with how Xiz has actually been playing the phase.

How he played d0 and d2? yeah. Xiz's d0 especially sucked balls but here this doesn't come off as "Took you a minute yourself to get going" But more "NO YOU!!!!1!!"



I actually do not like when players make obvious excuses on why they are not sure or confident on things. More Xiz is lazy talk.

Neither then I but look where we are now.

The only way I can see Xel make this post as a wolf is if Antori is his partner and Xel is really pissed

Which if that where true (it can't be at this point) Xel would either just buss and laugh or never claim he knew Antori's role.

I just feel like this is town Xel I'm reading

And now, for the reads of a wolf

Susses Xiz and Antori. Will go on to vote Antori and then vote Xiz when confronted to vote between the two of us later. Pretty consistent for a wolf actually.

He makes another reads post

and later on still, actual votes

To be fair to Roundbox, he has been reading me town all game and would have to contradict a shit ton of himself to vote me there. Also your case on me was weak

How weak?

Glad you asked

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And as a bonus, here's SunFan's entire progression on me




I mean, Sun always town but shit dawg don't act like I'm being unreasonable about this

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [GAME THREAD]
 

TL DR


Roundbox fits in with the Sun and Xiz group discussions pretty naturally

Antori's slip and the fact I have seen him implode this hard as town make me believe he's probably a miss.

Xel almost never plays these plays as wolf.

SunFan can be right, but SunFan can be wrong

Re: TWG 188: MAD17, Who's Role Is It Anyway? [GAME THREAD]
 

Lets see who all is in the game currently

1. the sun fan - Doesn't bus two wolves first two phases ever. ever if he wins as a wolf doing this he wins by me respecting him too much and I will have some words to say in post game. He's remove from the lynch pile forever

4. MixMasterLar - Has a pretty cool Let's Play Channel where he and his friends all play games together and shot the shit. Has some more media projects coming down the pipeline as well. Check the sig, click subscribe if you haven't and enjoy the vids.

5. roundbox - Tone is right, is pretty active when he isn't driving. He's a good wolf and could fool me but I'm pretty sure he just isn't this game. Call it gut, but with nothing mechanically bad with his play then tone is all I got to go off of. DBP also locked him in town, and while I hardly think DBP is perfect it is nice to know that someone who was on the ball didn't see something I'm not right now.

7. SubaruPoptart - Slot honestly gets locked town for the Dragon vote and while I think he could play much better I will have to concede that he needs to be removed from the lynch pile

9. XelNya/Xelicopter - He doesn't claim and get angry at Antori as wolf. Removing him from the lynch pile.

11. Antori - I don't know how much I want to read him for that 1 wolf oops it's 2 slip. I don't think it's in his range to fake that. I know Charu is probably screaming over that logic though. He'll have to forgive me. I could read him scum because of that doctor but I forgot to target derp plus he's still alive right now, but I think as wolf I myself might decide to keep him for the mislynch so I still just feel like he's town.

17. psychoangel691 - I wasn't particularly impressed with their posts.
Also someone (Xiz? I'll be lazy and not doublecheck) pointed out that chaos votes where more her style.

She also doesn't really play and wouldn't know current meta, which explains the....unusual night kills that happen post-DBP. The one thing that makes her seem town is the claim, but I don't think that's gonna have a lot of weight when I flip.