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nope

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It never happened before and that's usually wrong.

It's just difficult to ignore here without context.

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If this is serious then....welcome to FFR


I thought I agreed with Bolth at first but honestly it seems pretty tryhardy.

I mean make a note of it for sure its probably nonsense.

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Oh no did i slip my alignment already

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DAMMIT BOLTH we cant all scumslip or they will lynch us wtf

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I think you are bussing me now is my current read

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should i bus you or you bus me

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Mikey is already bussing me so if I bus you and flip then you will be town spewed

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okay ill bus me too good idea

bolth

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Guys I have a strong suspicion bolth is scum, I believe this because his posting has been scum as seen in posts such as #87, where he mentioned he may bus another player. This is a mafia strategy. I therefore believe bolth is a good lynch today.

bolth

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Welp that’s all the info I need Funnygurl55

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I feel like that what be a huge screw up on the wolf team part and is pretty unlikely. The second option is more likely imo, but we can keep an eye on how they vote if it’ll make you feel better lol

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I’m loving this spicy chemistry between bolth and duskfall tbh. Would be a cute wolf team dynamic.

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Votes from post 6 to post 94
Night in 34:06:31
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• Votes -- Lynch -- Voters
• 2 -- Bolth mannn -- Bolth mannn (13), Duskfall (13)
• 1 -- DaBackpack -- flashflash account (14)
• 1 -- Duskfall -- Ulleabhara (1)
• 1 -- Funnygurl555 -- jessiebessie (3)
• 1 -- flashflash account -- MixMasterLar (4)
• 6 -- not voting -- DaBackpack (0), Hakulyte (17), leetic (2), psychoangel691 (1), XelNya (2), Xiz (1)
• 1 -- Error -- Funnygurl555 (3)

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i'm a wolf

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hi jess 8)

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ahh yes, town leetic

sorry i never solved you on the syndicate game but luckily mikey did tho x.x

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i'm like really surprised you've finally read me correctly

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yeah i'm thinking the same thing

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Bolth and Duskfell right now:

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This game is giving me flashbacks to last game.

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I town read jess too

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If Bolth/Duskfall are wolves, they made it very clear that they don't want to win.

I think it's easier to assume that this is bait.

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bait for what?

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It's the good old post modern town hunting.

You pretend to be a "too good to be true wolf" in order to get people against you.
You get defended by some random town.
Past that point, the opposite party gets wolf read.
The opposite party flips town and wolves wash their hands because covid-19.

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Plot twist: the wolves were not even in any of the two parties.

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The ideal play here is to do the above as town and realize that both sides were T/T to PoE into a wolf vote later on because the more you find towns, the smaller the wolf pool becomes.

tl;dr: Chaos is great, but it has to be done right.

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I seriously think that town reading every town will be very challenging this game unlike the previous one.

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......

You know what? I'm just gonna vote one of the inactives again anyway. Not even gonna dive into whatever Haku just said

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I think the whole game is town still

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Well, that means DBP is 3 wolves in one account.

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looks like I voted the right spot

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Do you think I should investigate him tonight?

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Are you sure you're here to help ?

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I never said I was helping I just asked if you thought that would be a good idea

Doesn't mean I am listening to you

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I feel like DBP will only appear in the last 2 hours of this phase except that he will forget EoD was sooner and miss the entire thing.

Place your bets.

I think you should investigate what's the most controversial thing happening by the end of this phase.
Alternatively, you can solve coin flips if you think the main topic was T/T.

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Yeah actually lets just discuss this now

I know when someone doesn't show at all (not saying DBP will do this, but it's happened a few times) everyone tries to avoid dealing with the slot because "lol it'll get replaced"


We've had that kind of shit blow up in our face enough times to not do it again yeah?

Like it's d0, we gonna probably miss anyway. if someone legit is under 5 posts then instead of the long parade of replacements that also need replacing we should just clear up the slots and not wait until MYLO this time

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I'm seriously considering no lynch D0 because I think it will help PRs stay in the game longer and do more night actions.

That would only happen D0 tho. Every other phases would be hunt based on flips etc.

Lynching inactives is something I agree on, but the main obstacle is that this led to outting PRs in previous games.

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tl;dr: We don't have enough players who posted enough to have a reasonable small group of inactives to clear up.

The odds of flipping a random town is just too high right now imo.

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Tbh I’m not a huge fan of hunting inactives. I’d rather execute someone based on information (even if it’s minimal information) rather than a lack thereof.

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sunfan's bingo board is filling out nicely already

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here's your info: top poster is town 99% of the time, 2/3 of the wolves are in the bottom 1/3 of posters more than half the time

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They’re the same.

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No lynching is just depriving us of info and doesn't clear up any inactive problem because inactives on d0 are inactves d1 like, 95% of the time. No lynching doesn't solve the slots which is the issue I don't want to deal with.

Obviously if we get to EoD and we have a good lead and the biggest inactive still makes minimum posts, I'll be inclined to follow the lead

But you know the situation is rarely the case.

That's proven to lose games. refer to what I told Haku about d0 inactives being d1 inactives

I am also saying that replacing d0 inactives has proven to be not in town's favor in more then one game

I get that it seems like going for information in a game about information would be the right call but I've lost enough to know that you can't even start that step without removing black boxes first. I ain't gonna sit here and let a slot get replaced 4 times in a row and have this giant ??? late game where the possibility of a mislynch benefits wolves the most.

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bad idea. if you are town this methodology is anti-town.

No-lynch is only good in a final 4 situation

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Hi my name is lar, I’m going to get my town read for the day by not thinking, please town read me, see look, I’m voting like I always do: without rhyme or reason.

Did I mention you should town read me for poking lar like this?

You should! I always do this. I always flip town.

I am town, read me as town please.

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xelnya town

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I used to play like that, but it never really helped me much.

Even info can be detrimental if a player wasn't going in the right direction.

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MML/Jessie wants info.

Clearly, that's the wolf team right here.

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The ideal scenario is that town gets some sort of consensus on a lead wagon and that wagon flips wolf.

If it feels like it's going in that direction then sure yeah, no lynch shouldn't happen.

If the EoD votes look like 1:1:1:1:1:1:1:1 and it's chaos city.
I think no lynch becomes viable.

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You know what everyone just pretend I found the time to scream at Haku on how bad this is I'm going back to Xenosaga.

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You want info, but you also want to lynch an inactive.

I'm not sure what you want at this point.

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Have you ever come out of tryharding a scum game where you have to fake reads and then roll town and you no longer care about faking reads because you are town anyways so you just don't bother trying to solve the game at all?

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I've never rolled scum, wouldn't know

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I see what you are saying, but this is still a huge mistake.

Killing town and misslynching is better then getting no new information. Always. Otherwise we only get new information from wolves (or in this game, potentially a SK)


no-lynching is only good if its not final 4, final 6, etc. End of story.

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His cake, and to eat it to.

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what's up gamers

who's ready to get spiked?

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that's right fellas. Spiking Neural Network has entered the chat.

Real talk though. What neural coding we dropping at boys?

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Well, there's a world where mislynching a town can help the Vigi shoot a wolf.

So, I guess there's that at least.

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Do you think one day people with use neural networks to solve a TWG game and get somehow decent results ?

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I tried it once, after a game had ended

I unironically think the technology is there now though. I'll release a paper to arXiv if it actually works

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For the record, I'm almost always down for lynching inactives d0

I still don't have an opinion on DBP, Ullea, Psycho, Leet and Xiz, and that's almost half the game

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getting the flip on the inactive slot os tge information Jesus Christ

FFR needs to realize that flips are better then dead slots when you'll likely have to chose between the two

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this is a good heuristic and also encourages pro-social behavior

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chotto a few, writing some emails rq

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You're a bit daft.

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FFR needs to realize that statistically you won't hit a wolf a majority of the time, and they've actually limited the possible information gained.

But you know, inactive slots suck more.

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Actually, it encouraged these three posts I just made.

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I hope someone drops a spike through your face.

Also, fourth post.

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:(

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For my fifth post:

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I always suck D0, I dunno if that'll ever change

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Just vote the most inactive poster

come on now, be town now

you can do it

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I can do it see

lar

wait shit

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she hasn't done enough

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Also yes, I'm having absurdly more fun with this than I ought to be.

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typical